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JollyJoker
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posted April 15, 2025 10:30 AM |
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So. You guys still think Trump is no problem?
On course to become a fascist country - United States of America. As predicted. Was it that difficult to see?
It's not just Trump now, see? He has all those right-wing nutcases in top positions and things will only get worse.
Not long now, and everyone saying a wrong word will find themselves in El Salvador, in the worst jail imaginable.
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posted April 15, 2025 11:49 AM |
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Trump looks good, but an idiot from stone age..
When family from Germany moved to America in 1885..
And today is tariff matter..
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posted April 15, 2025 04:52 PM |
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posted April 15, 2025 06:09 PM |
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Edited by blizzard at 18:15, 15 Apr 2025.
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JollyJoker said:
Not long now, and everyone saying a wrong word will find themselves in El Salvador, in the worst jail imaginable.
Quote. I will be sure to post in Internet 1.0 Heroes Community before I am assigned my prison cell with Seven Inch.
Meanwhile, politicians and other public figures are mocked on social media and in the press on a regular basis, including in ways that would be censored/fined in Germany in 2025.
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posted April 15, 2025 06:16 PM |
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posted April 15, 2025 11:00 PM |
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Edited by artu at 23:06, 15 Apr 2025.
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blizzard said:
JollyJoker said:
Not long now, and everyone saying a wrong word will find themselves in El Salvador, in the worst jail imaginable.
Quote. I will be sure to post in Internet 1.0 Heroes Community before I am assigned my prison cell with Seven Inch.
Meanwhile, politicians and other public figures are mocked on social media and in the press on a regular basis, including in ways that would be censored/fined in Germany in 2025.
I also think he’s exaggerating but dont make the mistake of thinking that opposite views will be oppressed 1930’s style in the age of internet. People who are “nobodies” can mock anyone, just like flatearthers can talk crap about NASA. It’s about controlling the mass flow of tendenices and opinions, what people in key positions think, say and do. Why do you think Musk bought Twitter, to ban every single person who posts inconvenient stuff? No, it’s about what the algorhythm puts in the front shelves. Marginalized views even function as farting for the system, they are good for digestion. They make people feel relevant.
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posted April 16, 2025 02:09 AM |
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Which isn't what he's saying. He is talking about 1930s-type stuff.
And he does it with extremely selective hearing, because he has no functional, coherent definition for fascism when he uses the word. He could just replace "fascist" with a generic insult like "crap" or "toxic" and it works.
And what I mean by that is: I could spend a couple hundred bucks tonight, hop on a plan to Mexico City with all of my paperwork in order, go downtown with a sign and make some critical/disrespectful speech towards the federal government (no death threats or violence), and there is a very real possibility of me getting arrested. But in JJs world, fascist countries are USA, Russia, and maybe the UK after Brexit. i.e. stuff that he reads and watches. Night raids in Germany are fine.
Or maybe he actually thinks fascism has won and it rules the world.
Or it is trolling and he's having a good chuckle
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posted April 16, 2025 02:17 AM |
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Which isn't what he's saying. He is talking about 1930s-type stuff.
And he does it with extremely selective hearing, because he has no functional, coherent definition for fascism when he uses the word. He could just replace "fascist" with a generic insult like "crap" or "toxic" and it works.
And what I mean by that is: a Mexican national here could spend a couple hundred bucks tonight, hop on a plan to Mexico City with all of the paperwork in order, go downtown with a sign and make some critical/disrespectful speech towards the federal government (no death threats or violence), and there is a very real possibility of them getting arrested. But in JJs world, fascist countries are USA, Russia, and maybe the UK after Brexit. i.e. stuff that he reads and watches. Night raids in Germany are fine.
Or maybe he actually thinks fascism has won and it rules the world.
Or it is trolling and he's having a good chuckle
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posted April 16, 2025 02:35 AM |
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Well Germany did just give their neofascist party its highest placement ever. But to say that the USA is "now" fascist as if it hasn't been making a slow and steady march towards it since at least Bush Jr risks oversimplifying the problem and making it all about Trump. Trump represents a dramatic acceleration of these trends but the USA has been erroding the consistitution and incrementally becoming less free for decades on a bipartisan basis. If Harris had won, it would be happening much more slowly and quietly. Nothing as dramatic as sending American citizens to El Salvador concentration camps or floating a third term would be happening yet, but the normalization of universal mass survaillance, torture, war crimes, a militarized border, supression of anti-government speech at universities etc. have all been escalating problems for decades that Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden all played roles in that Harris would have continued to quietly expand. snow is bad and it is going to keep getting worse because the global capitalist order is collapsing under the weight of its own contradictions. As climate collapse accelerates, that's also going to be a compounding factor. Buckle up, tell your friends and family you love them, and build support systems. Nobody knows what the world is going to look like in 20 years but its up to us if it will be better or worse than it is now.
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posted April 16, 2025 03:51 AM |
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I don't disagree with any of that. The internet has turned the world upside down in various ways and created a new frontier.
I'm still on the more optimistic end, for the most part. Some of the stuff Trump wants has unanimous opposition among Democrats (and most of 3rd parties) and is controversial among Republicans. There isn't much you can do when you don't have support among at least 2/3rd or even more than 3/4th of the country, like doing a 3rd term. Presidents who won by insanely larger landslides than Trump, like Reagan, would not have gotten away with that.
The nice part of reading the history of 20th century US politics is that you get perspective, and that keeps you from overreacting.
If I learn tomorrow that half the country wants to annex Canada or declare martial law, I'll admit that stuff is super bad.
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posted April 16, 2025 07:29 AM |
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Trump is straight up ignoring court orders, Democrats are spineless cowards, third parties have no organization and are mostly full of feds and infiltrators to keep them that way, and Republican politicians are so scared of Trump that they will unconditionally bend the knee to him as they have been for years now. Any hope that there is isn't going to come from the institutions as they exist now.
Regarding the 3rd term thing, the danger isn't that he's going to successfully amend the constitution and democratically get elected to a third term. The danger is that he is going to stay in office illegally by force and nobody is going to be willing or able to stop him. As much as I despise Reagan, he believed in a liberal Republic with checks and balances. Democrats also controlled the House of Representatives for all 8 years of his presidency. Trump has a trifecta and an army of deranged and violent followers who have no such restraint.
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posted April 16, 2025 07:56 AM |
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Just to put your rants into perspective with your reading ability, blizzard - or your insincerity? JollyJoker said:
On course to become a fascist country - United States of America.
Isn't that supposed to mean, NOT YET fascist, but on the way to it, instead of, done and dusted?
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posted April 16, 2025 09:00 AM |
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Germany, France and UK are way ahead on that path, seeing how many people are arrested for social media posts, how medias proposing a different narrative are closed without legal reasons or how candidates opposed to a federalist omnipotent Europe are silenced. Fascism was never exported, it still lays there were it was born.
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posted April 16, 2025 02:47 PM |
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Please. Don't be ridiculous.
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posted April 16, 2025 03:39 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Germany, France and UK are way ahead on that path, seeing how many people are arrested for social media posts, how medias proposing a different narrative are closed without legal reasons or how candidates opposed to a federalist omnipotent Europe are silenced. Fascism was never exported, it still lays there were it was born.
I don't know how you can possibly argue that anti EU voices are silenced when like a third of the major parties between these countries are very explicitly anti-EU. And fascism isn't banning holocaust denial and hate speech on social media. Fascism is a very specific political, social, and economic ideology which the US is absolutely the closest to today. In fact even the original fascists in Italy and German heavily based many of their policies on the United States.
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posted April 16, 2025 04:43 PM |
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Rimgrabber said:
In fact even the original fascists in Italy and German heavily based many of their policies on the United States.
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One of the main reasons the USA came into existence was because of the English Civil War in 17th century, which was a REALLY bad civil war. Since that time and for generations afterwards, the idea of freedom of expression was deeply unpopular in England, because the experimental use of freedom of expression was blamed for the war. If you let people share their opinions, conflict and violence are the result. That was the standard thinking at the time.
The English aristocracy in the US was deviant from this, and they admired people like John Locke. Even after the colonials gained independence, the common view in England for a couple decades was that the United States would fall apart at any minute, because they adopted a system that was self-destructive and suicidal. You couldn't let people express opinions (in practice, it would have mostly been white landowners who were doing this, but it was still radical for the time).
If Mussolini was born in the USA, he would have loved the Native American Party (not to be confused with the ethnic group). It had the sort of views that he loved. Mussolini would definitely NOT have loved the Bill of Rights or the legal system in general. He would have hated people like John Locke.
One of the reasons Germany and Japan became such successful fascist countries (when I say successful, I mean that they were effective) is because they had the homogeneity. You could create a closed system where people were loyal, and you could largely rely on the population itself to enforce the laws. Have a problematic neighbor? Rat them out. Even today, there is a very noticeable cultural difference when you visit Germany. People do things a certain way and everybody is expected to go along and contribute to the harmony.
The USA doesn't have that. If anything, it's at risk of just falling apart at some point and not being able to enforce its own laws. What makes the USA "a nation"? Shared history? Common values? It doesn't have much of that. It's a colossal blob being tied together with a rule of law that is frequently questioned and threatened. imo it's a joke to think Trump has a serious chance of getting the country under his thumb. He'll be lucky to make it through his presidency. He did last time, but not by a large margin. Impeached but not convicted. America doesn't have the ability to morph into a fascist regime because it doesn't have enough cohesion on almost anything.
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posted April 16, 2025 05:03 PM |
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Nazi racial policies were based on American ones. This is very well documented. Lebensraum was similarly modeled after manifest destiny. 20th century anti communism from the American government was also an inspiration to fascist anti communism. Obviously I am not referring to the Bill of Rights lmao.
The 14 characteristics of fascism that are generally accepted based on previous fascist regimes are:
1. Powerful and continuous nationalism
2. Disdain for the recognition of human rights
3. Identification of scapegoats
4. Rampant militarism
5. Rampant sexism and strict gender roles
6. Controlled mass media
7. Obsession with natural security
8. Use of religion as a method of creating an us vs them
9. The merging of state and corporate power (Mussolini openly admitted this)
10. The suppression of labor power
11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
12. Obsession with crime and punishment
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
14. Controlled elections.
All of these are at least partially present in 20th and 21st century America, today moreso than arguably any other time in history despite some social progress that has been made. American culture is deeply vulnerable to exploitation by fascists which is why it has been so successful as a movement lately. American foreign policy has also been supportive of fascist governments as a means of fighting communism post WW2.
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posted April 16, 2025 05:05 PM |
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Rimgrabber said:
Lebensraum was similarly modeled after manifest destiny.
Okay. Yes.
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Salamandre
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posted April 16, 2025 05:10 PM |
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And fascism isn't banning holocaust denial and hate speech on social media.
This "hate speech", never defined but concept expanded at wish. When US arrested a pro-Palestinian militant is fascism, when France, Germany and UK do it, by HUNDREDS, it is because hate speech.
I wouldn't even try to explain why jail people because deny of holocaust is so awkward and fascist, you are enough smart to get it. It is not up to the STATE to force only one way of how we interpret history and the opinions derived from, as this is exactly why we abhorred Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler. You will find here the take of Noam Chomsky on this specific subject, worth of reading.
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posted April 16, 2025 05:17 PM |
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You are not using the term fascist correctly. You are using it interchangeably with authoritarian, which is not the same thing. I'm not trying to nitpick to defend authoritarian policies, I'm trying to make sure we're all on the same page about what fascism is so we can identify it and not let fascists hide behind whataboutisms.
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