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rychenroller
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posted September 01, 2003 12:20 AM |
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Regarding Motors Online Petition.
Ves, I read your comment with interest, about usurping Ravyn and Kittens place and saying you would never do that. But surely you must see, that the time has come for some action. Toh/MaH is stagnating, nothing new is happening, updates happen sporadically, Fest was getting reported for actual ranks (lol). Kitten went on about there being something huge for the opening of the new season and what do we have...yeah massive.
ToH is what I started in, and as far as I'm concerned it was always the best and the biggest. But now, its a well known fact that Ravyn and Kitten cant work together. Kitten takes it all far too personally, any criticism she gets from anyone and it seems to directly reflect her work. Numerous times she has threatened to quit ToH/MaH but theres was always something that kept her there, whether it be an email from you, or a few players talking to her, or whatever. I dont dislike Kitten, but I would like to see ToH back on top, even though I play in WW and enjoy the games I play there. Kitten is a genuinely nice person who avoids confrontational situations and I respect that, but I think ToH needs some aggression back, and Kitten is unable to supply that.
For a 5 year old game, WW has had about 800 tribes games reported alone, it is outstripping the ToH ranks, and people are finding more interest there. some are playing like demons, getting their tribes up top and enjoying the challenge. This used to happen for Toh, but now WW has taken over. While Toh is getting games played it is stagnant, nothing new, and nothing new will happens while the admin dont have continual contact to come up with new subtourneys or plans to raise activities.
Maybe its a time factor, or maybe you are sick of HOMM3, it is a 5 year old game after all. But as you say, maybe a combined ToH at least, with you as a general overseer, Ravyn in charge of the day to day stuff, and the hc (who do a good job as it is) could be a plan for us. If not, I fear that while it wont collapse (people will always play the occaisional game), it have no substance, nothing to look forward too, no aggression, no concern as to which tourney people want to play in the most.
Maybe it took someone with motors aggression to bring this up, i know he doesnt care what people think of him. But maybe thats a quality other people could have too. I speak my mind, and kitten, you will probably take offense at me posting this, like I said, I dont dislike you, I think you are a nice person. But ToH needs some new found aggression. Ves knows it all, knows what get people playing...I hope he has the time to take an interest.
Rychenroller.
A concerned ToH member.
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
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who will never walk alone
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posted September 01, 2003 12:40 AM |
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Rychen, U mind if I added my signature, too, under that post?
It is obvious that the current admin of homm3part of toh is the very reason of the decrease in activity. Yeah, homm3 is a very old game.. and the activity falls due the old age of the game. It unfortunately is true that we cannot expect an activity equal to season 3&4. However, when compared to current number players, toh should have had more hits per day, if it had regular updates and a solid admin.
With regard to kitten... heh... I assume I would have lied if I said "I like kitten"... Tho, I dont mean any offence to her. It does not mean that I dont like her. I dont know her in person, I dont know what kind a person she is. She might be the nicest person in the world. But that does not make a good admin outta her. Sad but true. She sux as a manager. I DO respect her will to run a homm3 tourney, and the effort she (tries to) put/s in her tourney. But, obviously, she sux at running a homm3 tournament.
I think raven should be the one to run homm3-toh, IF Ves will decline to take control. Because, IMO, Raven is the one who is more interested in running this tournament. She reads and responds to e-mails, she does updates the sub-tournies she is responsible of in time. blah blah..
IMO, Raven draws a picture of responsible admin, whereas Kitten draws a picture little babbling sweet girly.
zzzzzzzz
PS: Lately, I witnessed lotsa "if you knew the behind the scenes" snow. wtf is so secret and holy with that casuses our ToH down? Open up the fekking curtains you tossers !!!
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted September 01, 2003 12:50 AM |
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Personally i would never sign that petition, for one as I mentioned before Ves made that promise.
There was that fest reporting mistake but was corrected it was an honest mistake.
Ravyn & Mandi worked very hard & sure the opoening we started a little tourney but shoot we cant expect everythang to be in our time schedule.
I know theres going to be some big tournies soon but Mandi worked really hard on this & one mistake & you guys just want her out.
Bringing the HOS players back in was Bpaniks2 decision not Mandis.
Motorschaff is known to take grudges to the extreme & so does Andiangelslayer.
Personally I think she should look for some new volunteers & now not offline players like Chubby051 whos currently away at the moment.
We have the HC but we dont have the volunteers that can do the day to day work like in Vesuvius heroes 4 tournament.
Putting the blame in one person is not right.
I do agree she takes every comment to the extreme & thinks all her work & dedication is for not because she loves what she does but criticism is part of anyones job & shes got to realise that.
She takes personal grudges to the extreme & then uses or abuses her powers which is not even called for.
Otherwise just give it a chance.
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vonAdler
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posted September 01, 2003 01:05 AM |
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Toh is dead.
Need a right tourney's,i mean Clans,Division,and Speed Deamon.
Need a players,fair players.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted September 01, 2003 01:13 AM |
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Thats my point Adler, we need more ACTIVE volunteers & small tournies like the ones you mentioned & the bigger ones & soon or more players will be convinced that Motor & Rych are correct.
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splexx
Known Hero
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posted September 01, 2003 01:34 AM |
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Did you take an english class??
Manny must of went back to school....
I can actually read and understand your posts lately...
Thats unusual
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted September 01, 2003 01:40 AM |
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Heh I will take that as a compliment.
I think this tourney will also be a better place if the volunteers,HC & the administrators can get along somehow.
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bpanik2
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posted September 01, 2003 03:03 AM |
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good grief,for those of you that know any sub tourny game including fest which is a part of toh is supose too count for main rankings if it didnt why would divisions clans etc count,and a little more posative input for what the admins do wouldnt hurt either,now i dont know if toh would be better off with ves back at the helm or not he has more experience agreed but what yall are saying about kitten is wrong she works hard at updating and everything else,just because ur not at her house watching her do it dont mean she just sets there for crying out loud,and too even follow and idea presented bye motor,who is constantly downing someone or there work is totally absurd,grow up people.bp
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Mad_Unicorn
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I am a mean person shame on me
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posted September 01, 2003 04:06 AM |
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Agressive is called for 
any point bpanik made i agree (sry bp )
Kitten isn't aggressive shes emotional which is scarier :/
Activity? there has been a gradual decline in it since season 3 normally beefs back up for "sub tournies" then vanishes again..
after bracketed fest ill be back for clans which normally is cool....
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted September 01, 2003 04:47 AM |
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Who cares if your agressive or emotional, the job gets done.
You guys did the exact same thang to Ves which got him to say F it & screwed all of us on season 5 which was also my best season.
You guys except way to much like everythang should be perfect.
the seasons really young give her a break dang.
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Midnight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 01, 2003 05:05 AM |
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well one thing is for sure, there is a lack of clear communication. If u tell ppl what u r doing on a regular basis, u get less worrying. I see that on a much smaller scale with my random templates, esp. the Mix.
On updating problems and tourney organisation, there was still problems when motor was around too, so is not a new thing, tho i think it has got worse. Letting an "apparent" fake reporter get to #1 is pretty funny tho, never seen that before.
Given that it is an amateur fan site, u dont expect flashy service, so to me toh is actually pretty good, and no it is not dead lol. Only advice i would say, is for admins to avoid overcommitting and then having a blowout. Less is more.
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bpanik2
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posted September 01, 2003 05:10 AM |
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well,just exactly what do ya'll think, no excuse me, expect ves too do that will meet ur satifactions I, mean is it a gaming thing you crave or just a venu change i really dont see the problem maybe someone can elighten me you know ima little lost as usual,bp
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted September 01, 2003 06:01 AM |
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@Gangrail. no need to insult. I guess that shows your maturity level. I wasnt directly insulting anyone in my post. If I have an opinion, I'll speak it. Take it how you will.
@bp. I never knew having an opinion was cause for growing up.
thx
ps...battlefest should never count for main ranks...you can get the game done in less than an hour, hardly cause for excitement there. That would explain how many % of the ranks? and games played? Lets halve it. Lets say ToH has had 250 games played since open season. At the start of any other season, those games would have been played in the first day! And nor did I say Toh was dead, I said it was declining and it is. ToH is now a minor tourney, behind WW. A year ago is the other way around. Clans should have been opened with the new season, with other tourneys to generate interest. I hope it doesnt slide, I've always loved ToH you seems to misunderstand it. I just dont want to see it slide away.
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Aculias
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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted September 01, 2003 06:06 AM |
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Well you see Panik first you take a right on Pizza hut, then two blocks to southern Gardens till you hit the Stop Light, then walk two blocks to the Shell Gas station until you see a Green House From where Taco Bell Used to be, walk past Jefferson HighSchool, 3 rights after Passing Burger King then one more left past Rite Aid then boom you wont be lost again 
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KittenAngel
Supreme Hero
Lee's wifey
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posted September 01, 2003 07:38 AM |
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Quote:
Y'all really need to grow up and realize one person can't be the downfall of a site nor a game. I have seen the things that go on in Myths and Heroes and I think Raven and Kitten are doing a great job. You people need to just relax and let them do what they feel is right. Now I will admit Kitten has been slow at some things BUT I have seen a ton that she has done. Like for the new season. She redone the new main page, new tournaments page, medals page, she also made battlefest for everyone. Not to mention the 5 days she spent getting all the people who get Vet icons names in order to make things run easier for Her and Raven. There are 4 admins at Myths and Heroes I do not feel all the blame is to be put on one person. There needs to be a grooup effort to run a sucessful tournament and all this my tournament and her tournament stuff needs to stop. If one of the girls can't update then the other one needs to as well. These are just my thoughts and insight on the Matters. Unknown Admin
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the cat.
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted September 01, 2003 08:42 AM |
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This is nothing new....its been going on for ages. If Kitten and Ravyn worked well together, then there would be no cause for concern. The last straw was the killa thing, with Kitten backstabbing Ravyn in the zone, blasting her with profanity or whatever while Ravyn watched under a diff name...that is lame form. Ravyn may do the same thing in private conversation with others but I didnt see it. This was on the zone, with 60 players watching and paints a perfect picture of the situation. You two hate each other and its impossible for you to work in concert. Sure I know that you have persoanl problems kitten...everyone seems to, and dont you see the irony in that? Because of it, ToH suffers and that is something that isnt needed, because you could quite easily give it a break for a while.
This season needed a grand opening, with some big tourney like clans to kick it off, not battlefest which shouldnt be reported for main ranks. If you two worked together and had it all ready, where would the prob be? You knew when the season was ending...its not like you didnt see it coming. You cant co-ordinate, someone needs to go or you need to look at yourselves and sort it out.
You think I wanted to make the above post? no way, because I knew I'd be insulted, get into zm fights with people I respect (as is happening now) Maybe i long for the good old days, all the activity when I joined in season 2, it was frenetic. Maybe I'm the one who is taking this too personally and I should probably step away from this game which has had me addicted for four years. But I'll be damned if I shutup about it.
As for as I'm concerned, I've given it more than a little time (at least a year) to see some improvement with you two and I havent. And I know I'm not alone in my opinion, its just that most people dont want to rock the boat. Just work something out for the players sake, make ToH what it was even if you have to change it to do so.
Thx for listening.
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bpanik2
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posted September 01, 2003 11:31 AM |
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Ves,lets say for arguments sake you do make h3-4 same which is probably a good idea might help 4 some i dunno,does this mean we use game spy or does it just remain the same i dont see how either tourny benefits if things stay the way they are,i personaly dont care whether or not you take over,i just dont like the bashing part fo it all,but you cant make an omlet without cracking some eggs i guess,i just dont like the idea of being left out in the cold as previous,but hell do something its all becoming a huge joke im rdy go back too diablo for another yr,bp
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thecastrated
Famous Hero
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posted September 01, 2003 06:19 PM |
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I notice a thing about tribe which has helped it. There isnt any clearcut super tribe with which the extreme top congregate so any other tribe playing against them will b rolled over.
There are stronger/weaket tribes of course but not a superman one which will kill off interest.
Hence hopefully clans will be something like this, eg. limiting 1 last season legionnair/lord per clan or the likes? (Hmm i hav never achieved such high rankings under the new names so dunno lol)
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midnight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 01, 2003 08:44 PM |
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If i ran a business that blamed the customers i would go broke fast.
Fix the communication problem first or u will get threads like this that go around in circles.
as for clans or any other early season ideas, it is for the organisers to say, and to communicate it. As i said in earlier post, if u dont communicate what and when u do things, ppl will worry.
i see the same issue with making Midnight Mix template, unless i give an approx date of release, ppl will get impatient or worry that i lost interest I dont see that as a conspiracy, nor the players' fault, just ppl wanting certainty.
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Maximus
Famous Hero
Bronzed God
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posted September 01, 2003 08:57 PM |
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u need to post something on main page or tourneys page with info on what is coming up, maybe an estimated time and what it will consist of and what is required to enter.
this will keep ppl informed and keep there interest.
the main thing that really pissed me of was learning about battlefest from another homm site b4 any info was posted here, and dun say it wasnt cause it was 2 days b4 anything was put in mah.
i havnt played a toh game in a long while, and only thing that maybe interests me is clans or something like that, other wise i just say to ppl ... ww only plz.
and to cast bout tribes. i dis-agree, tribes was messed up day 1 also, the tribes may not hav all top players in 1 tribe but the fact that 10 in a tribe is way to big means tribes is effectivly over for most b4 it started !!
hope clans will not make same mistake and limit both the size of clans and the rankings in each clan as to make a more open sub T.
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