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regnus_khan
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posted December 22, 2003 08:40 PM |
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Homm3 Grails you would have wanted!!!
Hello to everybody!
I thought of an idea about what grails would have you WANTED to have. Write your opinion about some of them or a short essay. Think of your own things, too. I think that it would fit. So let’s begin:
Castle: Holy Grail
Homm3 Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two billets of wood daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides Marksmen an upgrade: Sharpshooters
All knights that belong to the army that has Holy Grail instantly gain “Basic Offence” and “Basic Archery”. Also, they gain an increase in attack by 2
All priests that belong to the army that has Holy Grail instantly gain “Basic Wisdom” and “Basic First Aid”. Also, they gain an increase in knowledge by 2
Homm3 WoG Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two billets of wood daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides Marksmen an upgrade: Sharpshooters
Provides Zealots an upgrade: War Zealots
All knights that belong to the army that has Holy Grail instantly gain “Basic Offence” and “Basic Archery”. Also, they gain an increase in attack by 2
All priests that belong to the army that has Holy Grail instantly gain “Basic Wisdom” and “Basic First Aid”. Also, they gain an increase in knowledge by 2
Both, knights and priests that belong to the army that has Holy Grail instantly gain an artifact called “Bird of Perception”
Paladins gain two more spells in their spell books: Destroy Undead and Bless
Rampart: Forest of Perpetuity
Homm3 Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two crystals daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides Grand Elves an upgrade: Sharpshooters
All rangers that belong to the army that has Forest of Perpetuity instantly gain “Basic Armorer” and “Basic Logistics”. Also, they gain an increase in defence by 2
All druids that belong to the army that has Forest of Perpetuity instantly gain “Basic Wisdom” and “Basic Resistance”. Also, they gain an increase in spell power by 2
Homm3 WoG Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two crystals daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides Grand Elves an upgrade: Sharpshooters
Provides War Unicorns an upgrade: Nightmares
All rangers that belong to the army that has Forest of Perpetuity instantly gain “Basic Armorer” and “Basic Logistics”. Also, they gain an increase in defence by 2
All druids that belong to the army that has Forest of Perpetuity instantly gain “Basic Wisdom” and “Basic Resistance”. Also, they gain an increase in spell power by 2
Both, rangers and druids that belong to the army that has Forest of Perpetuity instantly gain an artifact called “Pendant of Total Recall”
Hierophants gain two more spells in their spell books: Fortune and Remove Obstacle
Tower: Great Academy
Homm3 Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two glittering gems daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides Arch Mages an upgrade: Enchanter
All alchemists that belong to the army that has Great Academy instantly gain “Basic Eagle Eye” and “Basic Ballistics”. Also, they gain an increase in spell power by 2
All wizards that belong to the army that has Great Academy instantly gain “Basic Wisdom” and “Basic Air Magic”. Also, they gain an increase in knowledge by 2
Homm3 WoG Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two glittering gems daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides Arch Mages an upgrade: Enchanter
Provides Master Gremlins an upgrade: Santa Gremlins
All alchemists that belong to the army that has Great Academy instantly gain “Basic Eagle Eye” and “Basic Ballistics”. Also, they gain an increase in spell power by 2
All wizards that belong to the army that has Great Academy instantly gain “Basic Wisdom” and “Basic Air Magic”. Also, they gain an increase in knowledge by 2
Both, alchemists and wizards that belong to the army that has Great Academy instantly gain “Pendant of Free Will”
Temple Guardians gain two more spells: Air Shield and Lightning Bolt
Necropolis: Prison of Death
Homm3 Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two ingots of ore daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides no upgrade
All death knights that belong to the army that has Prison of Death instantly gain “Basic Offence” and “Basic Armorer”. Also, they gain an increase in attack by 2
All necromancers that belong to the army that has Prison of Death instantly gain “Basic Necromancy” and “Basic Wisdom”. Also, they gain an increase in knowledge by 2
Homm3 WoG Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two ingots of ore daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides no upgrade
All death knights that belong to the army that has Prison of Death instantly gain “Basic Offence” and “Basic Armorer”. Also, they gain an increase in attack by 2
All necromancers that belong to the army that has Prison of Death instantly gain “Basic Necromancy” and “Basic Wisdom”. Also, they gain an increase in knowledge by 2
Both, death knights and necromancers that belong to the army that has Prison of Death instantly gain “Pendant of Death”
Soul Eaters gain two more spells: Curse and Death Ripple
Inferno: Root of All Evil
Homm3 Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two pots of mercury daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides no upgrade
All demoniacs that belong to the army that has Root of All Evil instantly gain “Basic Fire Magic” and “Basic Scouting”
All heretics that belong to the army that has Root of All Evil instantly gain “Basic Sorcery” and “Basic Wisdom”
Homm3 WoG Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two pots of mercury daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides no upgrade
All demoniacs that belong to the army that has Root of All Evil instantly gain “Basic Fire Magic” and “Basic Scouting”
All heretics that belong to the army that has Root of All Evil instantly gain “Basic Sorcery” and “Basic Wisdom”
Both, demoniacs and heretics that belong to the army that has Root of All Evil instantly gain “Pendant of Holiness”
Succubus’s gain two more spells: Fireball and Blind
Dungeon: Planet Core
Homm3 Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two sacks of sulphur daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides no upgrade
All overlords that belong to the army that has Planet Core instantly gain “Basic Tactics” and “Basic Logistics”
All warlocks that belong to the army that has Planet Core instantly gain “Basic Earth Magic” and “Basic Wisdom”
Homm3 WoG Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two pots of mercury daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides no upgrade
All overlords that belong to the army that has Planet Core instantly gain “Basic Tactics” and “Basic Logistics”
All warlocks that belong to the army that has Planet Core instantly gain “Basic Earth Magic” and “Basic Wisdom”
Both, overlords and warlocks that belong to the army that has Planet Core instantly gain “Pendant of Second Sight”
Brutes gain two more spells: Protection from Earth and Stoneskin
Stronghold: Monument of Life
Homm3 Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two crystals daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides no upgrade
All barbarians that belong to the army that has Monument of Life instantly gain “Basic Pathfinding” and “Basic Artillery”
All battle mages that belong to the army that has Monument of Life instantly gain “Basic Wisdom” and “Basic Intelligence”
Homm3 WoG Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + crystals daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides Hobgoblins an upgrade: Trolls
All barbarians that belong to the army that has Monument of Life instantly gain “Basic Pathfinding” and “Basic Artillery”
All battle mages that belong to the army that has Monument of Life instantly gain “Basic Intelligence” and “Basic Wisdom”
Both, barbarians and battle mages that belong to the army that has Monument of Life instantly gain “Pendant of Second Sight”
Ogre Leaders gain two more spells: Bloodlust and Slayer
Fortress: Chaos Guild
Homm3 Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two pots of Mercury daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides no upgrade
All beastmasters that belong to the army that has Chaos Guild instantly gain “Basic Navigation” and “Basic Mysticism”
All witches that belong to the army that has Chaos Guild instantly gain “Basic Wisdom” and “Basic Water Magic”
Homm3 WoG Grail Benefits:
Provides with five thousand gold + two pots of mercury daily and increases base growth of creatures by 50%
Provides no upgrade
All beastmasters that belong to the army that has Chaos Guild instantly gain “Basic Navigation” and “Basic Mysticism”
All witches that belong to the army that has Chaos Guild instantly gain “Basic Water Magic” and “Basic Wisdom”
Both, beastmasters and witches that belong to the army that has Chaos Guild instantly gain “Pendant of Second Sight”
Ogre Leaders gain two more spells: Haste and Quicksand
So that’s all. I think my opinion fits here. I think that you all should write here too. It would be fun, if you do so
Oh, and send if I’ve done some mistakes. I’ll try not to make them anymore.
P.S. Hexa, I believe, I didn’t do anything incorrect now. Send an IM if I’ve done something badly.
P.P.S Don’t forget to tell why.
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IRh
Famous Hero
Lizard
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posted December 23, 2003 12:32 PM |
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OK, some notes.
> Castle: Holy Grail
> two billets of wood daily
I'd prefer Gems.
> All knights that belong to the army that has Holy Grail instantly gain
> “Basic Offence” and “Basic Archery”.
Argh! I had them Expert yesterday!
Seriously, your main hero should have it already, while your windmill heroes don't need it...
The same about many skills below.
> All priests ... “Basic Wisdom”
They all have it already.
All magic heroes have wisdom at the beginning! (even battle mages)
> “Basic First Aid”
Only if it doesn't wastes a skill slot.
The same about many skills below.
> Necropolis: Prison of Death
The same - I'd prefer Mercury. Although, here it's not needed as badly asd in castle or tower.
And, ALL Necromancers and Death Knights have Necromancy already!
> Rampart: Forest of Perpetuity
> Provides War Unicorns an upgrade: Nightmares
Yeah, yeah. And Dwarves into Demons.
> Root of all Evils
> Both, demoniacs and heretics that belong to the army that has Root of All > Evil instantly gain “Pendant of Holiness”
Holiness?
> Fortress: Chaos Guild
> two pots of Mercury
WHAT???
> All beastmasters ... Basic Navigation and Basic Mysticism
Oh! Thanks! You're so kind!
> Ogre Leaders gain two more spells: Haste and Quicksand
You got tired here, obviously... Shamans have Haste, already
Conclusion: some good new ideas, but it would be better to know depper what does exist now...
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LordZXZX
Famous Hero
Overfished
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posted December 23, 2003 09:27 PM |
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Hey, great idea, though there are some flaws.
how come fortress doesn't get a sulfur bonus?
Alchemists gain Eagle Eye?
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted December 23, 2003 09:33 PM |
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Cuz sulfur smells.
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regnus_khan
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Supreme Hero
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posted January 25, 2004 07:51 PM |
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Not smells, Woock - Stinks!
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doomnezeu
Supreme Hero
Miaumiaumiau
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posted January 26, 2004 09:32 AM |
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Just one question regnus. Why don't evil towns get grail bonuses?
Cause they are.. evil?
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regnus_khan
Responsible
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posted January 26, 2004 12:33 PM |
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What bonuses???
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Odvin
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted January 26, 2004 02:49 PM |
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Quote:
Not smells, Woock - Stinks!
Huh... Woock deserves that "Awfully Polite" title more than you! 
Now to the serious things... I actually don't understand what did you mean in your first post. I haven't played the latest versions of Homm3 WoG too much so I don't know whether the grails have changed there. Please tell me: what those bonuses that you listed are? Are they already implemented in h3/wog or would you like to have them? If they already are in wog, then why do you call them so strange? AFAIR the names of the grail buildings in english homm3 is completely different, e.g. colossus in castle etc. If you would like to see it in homm3, then what prevents you from writing a script to implement all this new behavior? ERM allows such things to be done.
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lt_hunter
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 26, 2004 04:11 PM |
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True, WoG allows such things, AFAIK. But then again I am not sure.
One thing is for sure, the grails inm the latest WoG are not changed
And the list provided is unbalanced in many, many ways.
First the towsn that have no upgrades are clearly diasdfvantaged. In this repsect it seems that evil towsn stand noi chance, while the RAMPART has both SHARPSHOOTERS and NIGHTMARES. Now that is just too good to be implemented...
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KingofMinota...
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Ruling the minotaurs below
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posted January 26, 2004 06:27 PM |
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Yes but you didn't write down the normal grail and bonuses for Heroes 3 (i.e. Castle Grail bonus - Colossus) If you know it you should write it down if not i'd be more than happy to...
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Vycka1234
Known Hero
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posted January 26, 2004 06:45 PM |
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Yes but you didn't write down the normal grail and bonuses for Heroes 3 (i.e. Castle Grail bonus - Colossus) If you know it you should write it down if not i'd be more than happy to...
you mean you want to know grail bonuses right?
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KingofMinota...
Known Hero
Ruling the minotaurs below
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posted January 26, 2004 06:49 PM |
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I know what the bonuses are for the RoE castles. i was just wondering if anyone wanted them posted.
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Be who you will be who you are but i'm the King of the Minotaur.
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regnus_khan
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posted January 26, 2004 07:10 PM |
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Quote:
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Not smells, Woock - Stinks!
Huh... Woock deserves that "Awfully Polite" title more than you!
Now to the serious things... I actually don't understand what did you mean in your first post. I haven't played the latest versions of Homm3 WoG too much so I don't know whether the grails have changed there. Please tell me: what those bonuses that you listed are? Are they already implemented in h3/wog or would you like to have them? If they already are in wog, then why do you call them so strange? AFAIR the names of the grail buildings in english homm3 is completely different, e.g. colossus in castle etc. If you would like to see it in homm3, then what prevents you from writing a script to implement all this new behavior? ERM allows such things to be done.
#1: I was once called an "awfully polite" person, by 1 mean guy (maybe a bit...) named Styq. So I thought that I would laugh at his word and name myself this way...
#2: Odvin, I do not know how to use my Script Editor wisely and without errors, because when I try to script a map, it is played with many errors. I tried to rename grails and to increase the effect, but it just doesn't work. That's why it would be cool if Mods of WoG just includes them, or writes correct scripts in a README file. That would be nice from their side.
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Odvin
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Famous Hero
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posted January 26, 2004 07:27 PM |
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#1: I was once called an "awfully polite" person, by 1 mean guy (maybe a bit...) named Styq. So I thought that I would laugh at his word and name myself this way...
LOL that was a joke, mind you
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#2: Odvin, I do not know how to use my Script Editor wisely and without errors, because when I try to script a map, it is played with many errors. I tried to rename grails and to increase the effect, but it just doesn't work. That's why it would be cool if Mods of WoG just includes them, or writes correct scripts in a README file. That would be nice from their side.
Read the erm_help provided with WoG... It's the ultimate source of info about ERM. From there you can learn how to script, plus it's a great (and the only one) reference for ERM, almost complete.
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regnus_khan
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posted January 26, 2004 07:31 PM |
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Read the erm_help provided with WoG... It's the ultimate source of info about ERM. From there you can learn how to script, plus it's a great (and the only one) reference for ERM, almost complete.
Too much to read ...
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Odvin
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posted January 26, 2004 07:33 PM |
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Too much to read...
C'mon, don't be so lazy, don't rely on others ERM isn't actually as difficult to learn as it may seem first.
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regnus_khan
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posted March 24, 2004 07:14 PM |
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@revived!
More members, more opinions. Maybe we could just discuss the names or particular uses of the grails? Maybe.
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Ziltard
Hired Hero
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posted March 29, 2004 11:10 AM |
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To be honoust (spelling?) I can't help reminiscing them old grails (homm II) Where you got REAL bonusses for the grail.
Now you have to put it in your castle and (mind me if I'm wrong) many buildings aren't worth the trouble ...
Don't have the booklet here (lend it to a friend so he could dig himself into the world of HoMM - another victim )
But for example the baloon thingy in the tower... When do you get the grail, usually at a later time of the game.
And you need all the pilars so you probably walked the earth for them and saw a pretty thing of the world.
So I usually don't mind the grail. If I have it, it's off course a welcome help because of the money and the Cgrowth, but for the rest I don't really mind ...
Oh, and one more thing, giving skills to heroes stinks. Sorry, no offence, but I prefer to choose them myself.
I even don't like it heroes have starting skills...
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Frick
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and eternal n00b.
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posted March 30, 2004 09:09 AM |
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The Grails should be improved. But at least you get a lot more creatures, but scince most grails are buildt in late-game, it doesn't really matter. Add some more recources to the gold is good though.
But giving the heroes skills? That sucks, even if most heroes are at high levels at Grail-time (often).
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KingofMinota...
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Ruling the minotaurs below
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posted March 30, 2004 07:24 PM |
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The gold income was good, the creature dwelling increase was good, and the town specified effect was good, but if it is the grail, it should have given resources such as sulfur, merc.,cry.,gems. As for your balloon thingy, are you talking about the H3 Tower grail? The skyship is what it is called and it reveals the entire map.
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