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Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: Is Affirmative Action Another Word For Communism?
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Peacemaker
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posted February 02, 2004 03:55 AM
Edited By: Peacemaker on 1 Feb 2004

Yes. Svarog, you may be right about this.  I think the ultimate negative tribalism expressed by Americans in this country has been the Ku Klux Klan, although a generic kind of idenfication tribalism happens with those who become completely assimilated into the dominant public society.  It's actually very natural to react protectively and defensively if one perceives others breaking in on that as a threat, particularly if one perceives the break-in is being foisted upon you, as in the case of Affirmative Action for many White Americans.

<Side Comment:>  Ew... I hope people don't take this post the wrong way.  I just call'em as I see'em.
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Consis
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posted November 22, 2006 06:36 PM
Edited by Consis at 18:41, 22 Nov 2006.

More Affirmative Action?

I've had this written transcribed copy of an interview with John Hope Franklin for some time now. It was an interview on CSPAN's "In Depth" program which aired on Sunday, October 1st 2006. In his interview he was asked about Affirmative Action:

"Affirmative Action is not new, not at all, and it doesn't apply merely to race. If you give to the son and daughter of Alumnus of an institution; if you give them admission because their mother or their father both graduated from that institution, and are admitted to that institution because their mother or father graduated from it; that is a kind of affirmative action isn't it? If you are an athlete and you are given a scholarship to an institution because you can run faster than anyone else, or that you can jump higher, or that you can score more goals than anyone else when that is an educational institution where you come to train to become a lawyer, or a doctor, or a professor and you are admitted to that institution because you have certain physical skills; isn't that affirmative action? Affirmative action is not new, it's old! And we have distorted our view of affirmative action if we think that it is primarily or exclusively for the purpose of balancing the people out and giving them an opportunity because of race. It's been with us for a long time.

It was affirmative action who was in existence when I was not permitted to attend the university of Oklahoma because of skin color. And any white person, who had what I had, would be expected to go to the university of Oklahoma. So it's affirmative action because they're white! What's wrong with that? Everything is wrong with it! But it's nothing more wrong with affirmative action based on race than there is affirmative action based on physical prowess, or race when it comes to white people
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I also read a disturbing article this morning about a Boston University student group:
Quote:

**copied from a CNN website**
A Boston University student group is offering a scholarship for white students to protest financial aid programs in the United States that select by ethnic background, university officials said on Tuesday.

The group, Boston University College Republicans, told campus publications the $250 Caucasian Achievement and Recognition Scholarship was intended as a statement and they had raised funds privately for the award, which does not have the backing of the university. "We think giving out a scholarship based on any race is crazy," Joe Mroszczyk, president of the group, told the college's BU Today Web site. Boston University Dean of Students Kenneth Elmore said he believed the move was misguided. "Our goal is to try to increase diversity on the campus, and that usually means diversity from an ethnic and racial standpoint," Elmore said. "This scholarship does not further that goal."

U.S. colleges commonly use financial aid packages, which include grants and loans, to attract students with diverse characteristics, from sporting abilities to ethnic backgrounds. Tuition at the private Boston University, which has more than 31,000 students, costs $33,330 per year, and with room and board a student's expenses can top $44,000.

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Consis
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posted December 22, 2006 09:28 AM

Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

Michigan voters approved an amendment on November 7th,2006 to the Michigan Constitution that bans "affirmative action" based on race & gender in public education, employment, and the awarding of contracts. The law takes effect Saturday. A federal judge ruled Tuesday that Michigan's top universities can continue using race and gender in their admissions decisions for next year's incoming students, despite a voter-approved ban on affirmative action that was supposed to take effect this weekend.

"Since when does the Constitution get to be suspended?" asked Republican state Rep. Leon Drolet. "It shouldn't be a thing to be suspended periodically when it's convenient
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When last I checked . . . the United States Constitution over-ruled each respective state's legislative documents. The question is: does this local ban countermand the U.S. Constitution? I am uncertain on this.

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posted June 28, 2007 07:21 PM

Proactive Affirmative Action

**copied from cnn website/edited by me**
Quote:
A bitterly divided U.S. Supreme Court today issued what is likely to be a landmark opinion -- ruling that race cannot be a factor in the assignment of children to public schools.

The court struck down public school choice plans in Seattle, Washington, and Louisville, Kentucky, concluding they relied on an unconstitutional use of racial criteria, in a sharply worded pair of cases reflecting the deep legal and social divide over the issue of race and education.

A conservative majority led by Chief Justice John Roberts said other means besides race considerations should be used to achieve diversity in schools. "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discrimination on the basis of race," he wrote.

More than a half-century after the high court outlawed segregation in public schools, the justices were deeply divided over one controversial outgrowth of that decision: what role race should play, if any, in assigning students to competitive spots in elementary and secondary schools.

The cases from Kentucky and Washington state revisit past disputes over race and education, stemming from the landmark 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. "Before Brown, schoolchildren were told where they could and could not go to school based on color of their skin. The school districts in these cases have not carried the heavy burden of demonstrating that we should allow this once again -- even for very different reasons," Roberts wrote.

He was joined by Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Anthony Kennedy and Samuel Alito. But Kennedy held out hope for school systems that use race that their criteria might be allowed in some narrow circumstances. Reading his concurring opinion from the bench, Kennedy said, "This nation has a moral and ethical obligation to fulfill its historic commitment to creating an integrated society that ensures equal opportunity for all its children. A compelling interest exists in avoiding racial isolation, an interest that a school district, in its discretion and expertise, may choose to pursue." He added, "Crude measures of this sort [as illustrated in this case] threaten to reduce children to racial chits valued and traded according to one school's supply and another's demand." And Thomas said, "Simply putting students together under the same roof does not necessarily mean that the students will learn together or even interact. Furthermore, it is unclear whether increased interracial contact improves racial attitudes and relations."

Those on both sides of the issue, as well as the Bush administration, had hoped the Supreme Court would clarify when and to what lengths state and local officials can go to promote diversity in K-12 education.

In a landmark case three years ago, the justices affirmed racial quotas were unconstitutional but offered a limited, but nonetheless powerful endorsement of affirmative action in higher education. The Supreme Court has now ruled that legal standard does not apply in a K-12 public school setting.

In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens said the majority "reverses course and reaches the wrong conclusion. In doing so, it distorts precedent, it misapplies the relevant constitutional principles, it announces legal rules that will obstruct efforts by state and local governments to deal effectively with the growing resegregation of public schools, it threatens to substitute for present calm a disruptive round of race-related litigation." Stevens was joined by Justices David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer.

Louisville-area schools endured decades of federal court oversight after schools there were slow to integrate. When that oversight ended in the late 1990s, county officials sought to maintain integration, requiring that most public schools have at least 15 percent and no more than 50 percent African-American enrollment. The idea was to reflect the whole of Jefferson County, which is 60 percent white and 38 percent black. Officials say their plan reflects not only the need for diversity but also the desire of parents for greater school choice. A white parent, Crystal Meredith, sued, saying her child was twice denied the school nearest their home and had to endure a three-hour bus ride to a facility that was not their top choice. Many African-American parents raised similar concerns.

In Seattle, public schools often rely on a "tiebreaker." Under the plan, begun in 1998, families can send their children to any school in their district. When there are more applicants than spaces available, and when a school is not considered "racially balanced," race is one of several "integration tiebreakers" used to achieve diversity. A group primarily of white parents from two neighborhoods sued in 2001, saying about 200 students were not admitted to the schools of their choice, preventing many from attending facilities nearest to their homes. One school at the center of the controversy is Franklin High. Half of its roughly 1,500 students are Asian-American, a third are African-American, and about 7 percent are Hispanic. White enrollment dropped from 23 percent in 2000 to 10 percent last year.

From the justices' comments during oral arguments and in the various written opinions, it was clear the legal sticking point was whether those diversity efforts represented a "compelling government interest."

The Bush administration supported the parents bringing suit against the choice plans. Solicitor General Paul Clement told the justices the two plans at issue represented "very stark racial quotas." He argued they were a "clear effort to get the schools to mimic the overall community" and that other "race-neutral" means to achieve classroom diversity should be used.

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posted June 28, 2007 07:52 PM

I oppose affirmative action. Why? Because it's racist. No one complains when blacks or Indians get special scholarships, but if whites had such a thing, everyone would cry "Racism!". Now, I realize that statistically, many minorities are more poor than whites. So why not make scholarships for people with low income, and abolish those based on race? It would help do the same thing, but would be color-blind. And the same thing for jobs. Hire people that work well. No racial quotas.
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