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Eran
Hired Hero
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posted February 24, 2004 03:06 PM |
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Edited By: Hexa on 24 Feb 2004
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what will u do in a situation like this? (experts please)
i'm stuck for some time now in The Lone Knight in the very end of the map when i fight the king
the situation is this
me hero's stats is 91:95:90:90 and the King's stats r 79:79:72:72
[url]http://www26.brinkster.com/eyaleran/untitled.jpg[/url]
the cruasader got 1400
the King got the armor of the damned, that anti bersetk neckless, and he does not have ressistance (i can cast what spell i want and he wont ressist)
im about to give up and delete this f@#king save so plz give me suggestions
oh btw the moral and luck is balanced for both (none)
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Nebuka
Promising
Supreme Hero
Save me Jebus!
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posted February 24, 2004 04:20 PM |
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Give little more information, what skills, spells you have?
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Eran
Hired Hero
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posted February 24, 2004 06:33 PM |
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all spells...
clone blind ect
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thunderknight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 25, 2004 01:45 PM |
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My tactic based on the following assumption:-
1). You start with conflux and have following skills for your main: log, wisdom, earth, water, air, fire, intel + maybe archery or offense.
2). I guess you have got most of the artifacts and maybe even you got armour of the damned yourself  , well, I assume you don't and you don't have angellic alliance as well (though it is possible you have get it.  )
3). Assume no artifacts of speed are in play. (though it is very unlikely  )
Since azure can't be slowed, you got the initiative.
Turn 1
mass haste. phoneix attack the closer stack of titans (334) and block the other. Then AA attack the titan stack phoneix has attacked and totally block the way of titans i.e. they now can only either fight with AA or phoneix. Titans are your prime target since they can't be blined.
Azure attacks genie and with careful positioning, its breath should hurt naga as well. Then AB march forward and attacks arch magi and block enchanters as well.
Champions attack sharpshooters. Enchanters shoot naga.
Then maybe it's enemy turn. After some suffering, your crusaders can attack genies.
Turn 2
Probably your enchanters have been killed by naga. The tactic for turn 2 and later are similar, blind the stack with biggest threat first i.e. naga >> enchanter if they are still numerous while your AA and phoniex deal with titans. Since your tank units are all in position, the enemy may not cast mass slow, even if he cast, it doesn't matter much.
Later turns
By the time you have blind three or more enemy units e.g. naga, enchaters or maybe even genies or other units if needed, you should have finish other units and suffer great loss . Then finish titans with all your forces. Remember to destroy ballista as well to prevent king from escaping. Then it's time to clone AA and resurrect everything you have lost and deal with enemy unit one by one.
In this way, this battle is winnable and maybe you can get back most of your army for later tough fights.
Alternative way:
- magic hit-and-run assume no shackle
- might hit-and-run using other redundant armies e.g. mighty moos
hypothetical dirty trick
Sacrifice one of your resource hero, let he/she have very powerful artifact e.g. +3 for all necklace killed by king. Hopefully he will swap anti-beserk artifact with the necklace. Well, it's just imaginary and never proven in actual game.
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Eran
Hired Hero
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posted February 25, 2004 04:06 PM |
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i guess i forgot to tell..
his hero got the bow of the sharpshooter
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Eran
Hired Hero
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posted February 25, 2004 04:10 PM |
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Quote:
i guess i forgot to tell..
his hero got the bow of the sharpshooter
my problem is not the nagas or sharpshooters, my big problems r the titans 600 titans is hard to kill with the army i got.. when he attacks the phoenix he kills something like 200 and when he decide to rape my archangels he leave me with 100..
conclusion = i cant kill the titans 
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thunderknight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 25, 2004 05:30 PM |
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Some Q
Do u have offense specialty ? and the intelligence skill ?
Do u have armour of the damned yourselves? or maybe angelic alliance ? I've played the map quite a long time ago but I remember that I can assemble nearly all combo artifacts before fighting king.
As for Bow of Sharpshooter, it doesn't matter coz you won't let them shoot.
So, maybe you could resort to magic hit-and-run or mighty-moo hit-and-run to wittle down titans before tackle it with your main.
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thunderknight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 25, 2004 05:33 PM |
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Btw, how many titans can u kill with your phoneix + AA + AB ?? If < 200, it would be quite difficult.
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Eran
Hired Hero
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posted February 25, 2004 06:19 PM |
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i have both the angelic and armor of the damned but i dont use them cuz if ill put them my stats will be something like -8 lower in defense and attack skills...
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Azatoth
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 27, 2004 06:36 AM |
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Please dont listen to Thunderknight, all he says is totally wrong, for example who would throw Ancients on Mages...
Now here is what you do:
1. you use the Angelic Alliance. You might lose some stats, but since your Hero is a lot better than the King you still should have the better ones - and Prayer makes up for the loss a bit.
Important is the speed you gain from Prayer.
2. The first spell you cast is Mass Cure, to make up for the Armor of the Damned. Looking at your troops, everything will have a first Strike on the Kings Troops - remember Prayer gives you that advantage after slow is removed.
This is how you attack:
- Phoenixes attack Genies, hitting Nagas at same time.
- Azure Dragons are very important for you, due to their Fear and Resistance Abilities - you dont want to give them a Retal, so they attack the Genies too.
- Next are the Archangels, and they are you Main Tanks, which means they attack the biggest Danger - the Titans. No need to fear them, you should have much better stats on them and first strike, that easy makes up for the bit smaller amount.
- Next is the Champions, with them you want to destroy the biggest Damage Dealer the King has - 4000 Sharpshooters.
Only god knows what 522 Champs will do to them, my guess is about 2000 Shooters will be dead in 1 blow, giving only a whimpy retal.
- Now the Enchanters shoot down some Nagas.
- Ancient Behemoths crush the Titans the Archangels attacked before them, there wont be many left standing after that...
- Now the Crusaders, it would be important to know if you have a speed artifact advantage on them.
Many possibilities, you could destroy the remaining Titans, beat up the Genies or Nagas if there isnt too many left - just make sure there is no big retal.
Consdidering your stat advantages, the King should be left without a Chance alrdy after that first Strike.
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thunderknight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 27, 2004 11:44 AM |
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Thx for pointing our my foolishness
Oh, ya, what I've is mostly wrong especially you can NEVER block the shooters in the presence of Bow of Sharpshooter. So, be careful of those enchaters, they may surprise you.
Good luck.
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Eran
Hired Hero
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posted February 27, 2004 02:34 PM |
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what u both said is a good idea but what u forgot is the other titans, mages and enchanters which will kill more then half of my army and leaves me hopeless against the titans (the mages and enchanters i can blind, titans not)
my tactic that i left them like 200 titans and some nagas was this:
1) casting forgotfullness spell (all range creatures r allmost useless)
2) attacking with phoenix the titans(334)
3) attacking with azure the genie while attacking nagas
4) attacking titans(334) with archangel
5) attacking geinis with ancient
and now it was the King's turn which totally raped my phoenix, champions, azures and enchanters
then i cloned the archangel, attacked the second titan group and then with the clone, and so i die
couldnt survive the 3rd round
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doomnezeu
Supreme Hero
Miaumiaumiau
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posted February 27, 2004 02:47 PM |
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could u upload a savegame somewere? So that I can test my ideeas live. Or mail it to me.
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Nebuka
Promising
Supreme Hero
Save me Jebus!
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posted February 27, 2004 02:52 PM |
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Edited By: Nebuka on 27 Feb 2004
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Have black orb? And use Angelic Alliance, that prayer will make up for a lack of pr. skills.
Btw, how about you post all info, and I mean primary skills, secondary skills, artifacts, spells. Post that for King as well, or just upload a save somewhere.
Or send save to nebuka1@yahoo.com
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Eran
Hired Hero
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posted February 27, 2004 04:33 PM |
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just won the king if ur intrested this is what i did:
used the angelic allise like u said
1) forgotfullness
2)phoenix attacks genis+nagas
3)azure attack titan
4)AA attack same titan
5)ancient attack same titan
6)champion attacks enchanter
7)enchanter attacks same titan
8)cruaseder attacks geni
luckily my enchanter did mass slow on the enemy when he had his turn and my speed stats r faster so the next round i did haste and finished the first titan and half of the second titan with the archangel (phoenix got something like 100 left after the king's turn)
luckily again, the second titan group got Fear from the azure which was prolly the reason i won pretty easily
then i blinded the nagas, finished the titans and the other creatures and started resurrecting my army !!!!
the end
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