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posted July 01, 2004 06:11 PM |
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Saddam On Trial
Saddam Hussein is finally on trial, or at least the preliminary things have started.
He has scoffed at the charges of genocide, war crimes and the invasion of Kuwait. He still insists Kuwait is part of Iraq.
He also asked the judge at the start of proceedings if he would be tried under his own laws.
I don't think he's taking this very seriously.
I did like the fact that the court room is in one of his palaces, and on the floor is a $40,000 rug from one of his palaces.
So, do you think he will be found guilty? How long do you think the trial will last?
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posted July 01, 2004 08:35 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 19 Nov 2004
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Trial Of The Century
Wolfman and others,
This is and will be the trial of the century. This trial will be much more than a prosecution of Saddam Hussein. In so many uncertain terms, it will also bring about a world-wide debate on whether the U.S. should have invaded Iraq. And for that matter, whether any democratic country can simply invade and oust the leader of a sovereign foreign nation.
If you notice, Saddam is arguing the correct argument. Even though he is a delusional man, he is arguing that he won't sign anything unless his attorney is present. He was not given legal counsel. Also, he argues that he is still the president of Iraq because he was never voted out of power. He was forcibly removed from his position by a foreign government(u.s.).
It is without doubt that he will pay for his crimes by prosecution under the new Iraqi regime and laws, but the trial itself will spark an entire set of new debates here in the u.s. to once again argue whether we should have invaded.
Personally, I don't think we should have. I'll give my reasons if someone disagrees with me.
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Marelt_Ekiran
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posted July 01, 2004 09:05 PM |
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Well, of course it was about time that he was prosecuted for the crimes against his own people. But he does have a point when saying to the Americans: "Who are you to judge me?"
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privatehudson
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posted July 01, 2004 09:25 PM |
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Of course he'll be found guilty, the big question is what the hell to sentence him 
Oh yeah, and then there's the question of what he might reveal about his former friends...
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posted July 01, 2004 10:32 PM |
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This is and will be the trial of the century
This is and will be the most overexaggerated statement of the century.I mean It`s only been four years in the new century, and it`s really not that big of deal.It`s like saying the Milosevic`s trial was the biggest trial of the last century.And of course he`ll be found guilty, vasically
we`ll be seeing a few years of empty talk and charades, they
could just salm the gavel right now.
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posted July 01, 2004 10:35 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 1 Jul 2004
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"Former Friends"
That would be us. This would really be his best argument but as one Saddam expert pointed out, he is too much of a narcissist. This is also why he would never even think of harming himself. He thinks he is too important to the world or something like that. That was the argument of why he was found in a hole while his two sons went for the "last-stand" method of death.
So unfortunately for him, I don't think he will be using the argument that sets the americans as his once aiding friends against the much larger(3 x as large)Iranians.
He also said the Kuwaitis were going to turn the Iraqi women into prostitutes. I don't really understand this yet while I patiently listen to all the buzz.
Wiseman,
It isn't an overexagerated statement. We didn't invade Kosovo. We used all the extra-invasion means we had, but in fact DID NOT INVADE KOSOVO! There is a huge difference between invasion and what we did in Kosovo. If you like I can provide you with some details of what happened there. Svarog and other Balkan peoples can give you some interesting feedback as well.
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SapphireRavyn
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posted July 02, 2004 04:26 AM |
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Consis, mellow, he's not saying ANYTHING about our involvement in Kosovo. He's not even debating whether we should or should not have been there (Kosovo or Iraq). He is simply disagreeing with your statement that the trial is "The Trial of the Century." And comparing the trial of Hussein this century, to the trial of Milosovic last century and stating that they will take about the same "space" in the grand scheme of things down the line, ie a relatively small space.
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Wolfman
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posted July 02, 2004 05:39 AM |
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I think it is an exagerated statement, Consis. If the prosecutors can get one of the other 11 people being tried to testify against Saddam, it shouldn't last very long. And the trial won't last as long as the Melosevic trial because the court won't let Saddam get up and make long speeches like they let Melosevic.
The trial shouldn't take very long, and he will be sentenced to death. Iraq has reinstated the death penalty resently, with much outcry from France and Germany (surprise surprise).
He does deserve to die for his crimes, he's nothing more than a murderer.
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posted July 02, 2004 09:13 AM |
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He does deserve to die for his crimes, he's nothing more than a murderer.
If he is found guilty it is 100% likely that he will get the death penalty. But we will have to wait............
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posted July 02, 2004 09:47 AM |
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Don't know how to actually answer your question Wolfman, I guess I will know soon enough how I feel about it all. I don't believe he will be found guilty, matter of fact I don't think they will be able to finnish the trail. Just a feeling I got.... By the way I leave saturday. Should be able to drop in now and then for a few more months though..
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posted July 02, 2004 12:07 PM |
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Germany and France are against the death penalty full stop, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Hussain specifically. I believe it was made one of the parts of the EU's makeup that members must be against it. On that basis, I would imagine that the UK should also be against the death penalty, especially since the UK has had problems with the US recently with extraditing prisoners who they know will face the death penalty in the states due to that very same clause. In fact you could argue that the UK suggesting such a sentence would be hypocritical in that case. You might also add that most of the EU should speak out against a death sentence based on what I mentioned, but of course, I geuss it's easier to make it seem like it's just the same old two...
So hardly a need for "Suprise Suprise" to be frank.
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Wolfman
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posted July 02, 2004 04:13 PM |
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I was being sarcastic, PH. I'm well aware that they are against the death penalty. I just think that's ridiculous. Certain crimes deserve death.
Redhawk, good luck.
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posted July 02, 2004 04:52 PM |
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Oh I'm sure there wasn't any hint of antagonism against their stance on Iraq in the comment either...
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Wolfman
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posted July 02, 2004 05:02 PM |
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No, there wasn't. I know full well Europe is weak on crime, you didn't have to tell me. 
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posted July 02, 2004 05:12 PM |
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Well we tend to avoid the Texan style of shoot first ask later justice that is all too often used in other places. We like to prove people guilty by a legitimate court of law after giving them a proper trial...
Interesting point btw, if he's being charged with crimes, just why was he denied legal representation? Is he still being denied this?
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Wolfman
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posted July 02, 2004 05:15 PM |
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Wait a minute, you have a trial, before the trial? How does that work?
He does have representation, they're in Jordan now. They're afraid to enter the country, probably because of who their defending.
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posted July 02, 2004 05:28 PM |
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So they're trying him without legal counsel or are they providing an alternative? Frankly I have no love for the guy, but I do think it would have been better to try him after some sort of proper representative and/or democratic system was set up in the country and by extension Judges and the legal system was fully established. To not do that opens the proceedings up to all sorts of allegations. I don't care much what happens to him, but the more legitmate it's made to seem the better.
Oh and don't be pedantic, pointing out typos is silly. It's meant to say . "We like to prove people guilty after giving them a proper trial by a legitimate court of law ..."
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Wolfman
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posted July 02, 2004 06:08 PM |
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The trial hasn't started yet. Yesterday was just the preliminary stuff. His lawyers are allowed in the country, it's not my problem they're too scared of the Iraqi people to enter the country.
I had to make sure it was a typo.
But what you're saying is that there is no difference between the US and Europe. We have a trial too. Of course in the old west it may have been a little different, but things have changed.
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posted July 02, 2004 06:32 PM |
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I just hope he (Saddam) doesn't get loose during the trial.
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Consis
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posted July 02, 2004 07:43 PM |
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His Trial
I heard on the news that his trial isn't expected until well into 2005. It's going to be a while so let's try to be patient.
And about the legal representation, I am in complete disagreement with a trial that gives it's defendants no legal counsel or representation especially if the defendant is asking for it! Peacemaker will you please explain the need for proper legal counsel to Wolfman? I don't think he understands what a fair trial is defined by.
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