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Wyvern
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posted July 29, 2001 05:32 PM |
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Wyverns - must be in HoMM4!
As far as I know, there won't be Wyvern in HoMM4. And only because of this fact I don't like this game! I think that no one can argue that Fortress gave Heroes 3 its atmosphere. And the greatest unit was the Wyvern. Why? Because it is really from the mythology; because it's dragon-like but it's not a dragon (the designers could use this - some units could have bonuses against dragons and Wyverns would be useful against such units); it's also strong (not much, but strong); it has a special ability; and it looks great. I don't know where it can be placed - maybe in Asylum or Preserve or even in Stronghold, but Heroes 4 will be nothing without this unit. Don't you think?
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Incubus
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posted July 29, 2001 11:04 PM |
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Hmmm yes...
I think its stupid to leave the wyvern out... They are not in it... so doesn't the rest of the fortress creatures.. Only hydra returns...Many demons like it lord,Imp and Magog are also not in it.. Most of all the Harpy and manticore that are missing... THE GRYPHON! What is really stupid! Red and green dragons...Death knights and Vampires.. ;o( and Pegasus and Dendroids...also the gremlings, Maybe trolls and The 4 special dragons (fairy,rust,Azure and Crystal) won't be in it... nomad aswel...
I don't know about the elementals.. but i think they are summonable..
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Sha_Men
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted July 29, 2001 11:47 PM |
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Incubus...
Where do you know that Vampire and Dread Knights aren't in the game?
Cerberus can be neutral creature at least.
Or have you seen from something that those two creatures that I happen to really like aren't in the game?...
This would change things pretty much for me.
I think I could even not to buy HoMM IV if Necropolis has only some gargoyles and those others...
And BTW where are the liches?...Sigh.
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El_Diablo
Bad-mannered
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posted July 29, 2001 11:55 PM |
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ah yes, the wyvern, a cheap rip-off of the dragon
but i agree with you on one thing, the wyvern should come back to heroes 4, i liked the creature, i dont like the fact about how 3do is getting rid of alot of heroes 3 creatures, I think all base level creatures should return to heroes 4, except elementals, elementals are horrible and i dispise them
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Incubus
Disgraceful
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 30, 2001 12:36 AM |
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Sha man...
NEcropolis...
Cerberus,Skeleton,Zombie,Gargoyle,Devil,Bone Dragon,Venom Spawn, this are already to much!
The death knight and Lich are heroes i guess...;o( and the vampire? I don't know what they have done to them! I think its stupid that they arent in the necro! what has an statue and devil to search there?
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Sha_Men
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posted July 30, 2001 12:43 AM |
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Bone Dragon..
I surely look towards the time I see Bone dragons. Are they as weak as before? How powerful this Venom Spawn is? Is it shooting something?
At least Devil brings a little character to that town.
I can't believe Vampires aren't in it...
I just ask why?
They would fit perfect to this new "every creature has special"-theme of HoMM IV.
I always have found Vampire(Lords) as very unique creatures compared to almost all creatures in the game.
Dread Knights did make impression to me in HoMM 3. But I understand if they are now heroes...
Seems to me that my favorite towns from HoMM3 (Fortress and Necropolis) are pretty much changed or entirely taken away from HoMM IV....
Not good, not good at all...
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Oldtimer
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posted July 30, 2001 02:54 AM |
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There are going to be 66 creatures in HOMM4 and since only 48 are spoken for in towns that means that there will be 18 nuetrals. HOMM3-AB has 78 creatures so which creatures will be gone?
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Maximane
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 30, 2001 03:10 AM |
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Well we still have some time left before the game is released, so don't get disappointed already.
Usually a company starts manufacturing and marketing almost a month before release date. So to be on the safe side we have about another month.
I always appreciated the Wyvern in that it was not really expensive and that it was a good all-around unit (plus it could fly).
Well we'll see.
-Maximane
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Dark_hunter7
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Order, mages, lords, the RULE
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posted July 30, 2001 08:24 AM |
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hmmm lets see... they should at least have another of the Dragon's brother: the drake... if not the wyvern
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Wyvern
Promising
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posted July 30, 2001 09:54 AM |
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I'm very glad to see that you all agree with me.
When I emailed the Heroes 4 Team to make some suggestions about the game, of course, I mentioned that there MUST be Wyvern in the game. But Maranthea didn't say anything about the Wyvern. She said: "Right now we are doing all testing internally. If this changes I will make sure your information is passed onto the QA department."
I don't know what did she mean but surely something CAN change. The hope remains...
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Maximane
Adventuring Hero
Pot Burner
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posted July 30, 2001 07:30 PM |
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Well that means right now that all alpha and beta testing are still under development.
Basically unless they change their minds, you can't do much.
However keep trying 
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Incubus
Disgraceful
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 30, 2001 11:29 PM |
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Hmmm
I think we will a swamp town in the expansion... Because all the swamp creatures are missing.. only the Hydra is back.. the basilisk is blocked..
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Dark_hunter7
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Order, mages, lords, the RULE
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posted July 30, 2001 11:43 PM |
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hmmm quite right.... if they left it all out they shouldnt have thrown it away... they reserved them all for another town... the SWAMPERY or smthng
never thought of that one
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Wyvern
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posted July 31, 2001 09:52 AM |
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SWAMPERY town?
If it's true, I'm waiting for the expansion! But then the star of magic will change. What will be the new type of magic for the Swampery town? Or maybe it will take one of the existing types of magic (Chaos or Nature)? And I have to ask an important question - Are there creatures that surely WON'T be in HoMM4?
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UnkaHaakon
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posted July 31, 2001 11:26 AM |
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Wyvern ? Swampery?
Given the new system of magic, I don't think a new town is likely for an expansion, unless they add 5 new towns to keep the star active and balanced. That's not very likely.
There are a couple of possibile ways for an expansion to add in a new creature or bring back an old favorite.
The most obvious is as a neutral recruitable creature. Of course, there are already 18 neutrals, and with the 'every creature being special' concept, I don't know how the wyvern fits in. But, it could and might be done.
The other possibility is to add another building path to one or more towns. I can see the wyvern fitting into the new stronghold, probably as a level 3. This would require a new level 2 and level 4 however. If a new level 2,3,and 4 were added onto each town, that would be 18 creatures, not too bad for an expansion. The big challenge would be coming up with the level 4 for each town. Something big, unique, and not unbalancing to fit in with the existing troop mix of each town.
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Wyvern
Promising
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posted August 01, 2001 11:03 AM |
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Edited By: Wyvern on 1 Aug 2001
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3 creatures from a level in towns?
This will be very complicated if you have to pick one of three creatures from the same level. But maybe we can restrict all the possibilities in this way:
T O W N
Creature A| Creature B |Creature C
Level 1 BOTH CAN BE RECRUITED|Non-available
Level 2
Allows level 3|Allows level 3|Allows level 3
creatures A&B |creatures B&C |creatures A&C
to recruite |to recruite |to recruite
Level 3
Allows level 4|Allows level 4|Allows level 4
creatures A&B |creatures B&C |creatures A&C
to recruite |to recruite |to recruite
Level 4
Available |Available |Available
I hope you understand this plan.
Of course, you have to choose ONE of the three creatures from level 2, but it will allow you to choose between two of the creatures from level 3 and the third creature from level 3 will be unavailable. It's the same for the level 3 creatures. Here's an example:
You build the structure for creature A from level 2. Now you can build the structure for creature A or B from level 3 but you won't be able to build the structure for creature C. Then you build the structure for creature B from level 3. Now you can build the structure for creature B or C from level 4 but you won't be able to build the structure for creature A. So you build the structure for creature C from level 4. Now you have creatures A and B from level 1, creature A from level 2, creature B from level 3 and creature C from level 4. Why is this restriction? Because when there are 3 creatures from a level in town, they'll probably be: shooter, flyer and ground unit. And it will be dull if you can have three shooters! So this system will prevent you from choosing similar units. If creature A from level 2, creature C from level 3 and creature B from level 4 are shooters, you won't be able to choose the three of them - you can pick maximum 2 (creature A level 2 and creature B level 4, for example). Don't you think it's balanced this way? The only question is: how can each of these creatures be unique, different from the others? But I prefer having 3 almost similar units per level and the Wyvern between them to having 2 completely different units per level and the Wyvern out of the game! Still, there should be something new in the expansion!
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Incubus
Disgraceful
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 01, 2001 05:56 PM |
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LOL!
You only think on usefull.. I just look at both usefull and good looking.. if they put in all humans with BIG specials you like the game also don't you? I don't i would hate the game.. i care about the looks and the KINDS of creatures... If i could choose because the Medusa or a champion in my army i pic the medusa..
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Mutant_Ninj0
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 01, 2001 07:06 PM |
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One word....
Expansion pack
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ChoaticHyrda
Adventuring Hero
The Man of Many Faces
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posted August 02, 2001 03:09 PM |
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I definetly agree with u, as a matter o fact, swamp/fortress has always been my favorite town!!! I really love the unit's looks and abilities. Although theyre magic and ranged units suck, I still love the units especially since almost all of them give a status effect. Not only would i like to see Wyverns come back but Gorgons as well..I mean that unit was the best unit in the game!! At least for its lvl. Being able to outright kill enemies with deatstare really made fortress powerful enough to compete. However since their switching around all the mechanics maybe it wouldnt fit, but i think it goes rather well with the Chaos theme and I bet wyverns could too. If they dont put these units in the game I may still play it, but not quite as passionetly as I did playing my favorite town in Homm3, asa a mattero' fact I may find myself often going back to 3, cuz it will always have fortress fortunately
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Incubus
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posted August 02, 2001 05:31 PM |
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Replacers...
Some creature don't come back.. because of replacers.. even in a expedition seth we won't see them again ;o(
Vampire-Ghost Vampire is gone....
Gorgon-Nightmare The Gorgon is gone
Manticore-White tiger NWC Don't saw any reason to keep 2 big cats.. PFFF if 10000 dragons are good?
Basilisk: Maranthea hated the looks of the basilisk that ..... Grrrrrr
Wyvern: one word.. VENOM SPAWN!
Dragon Fly: They aren't a famous creature..
Gnoll:YES THEY ARE GONE!
Lizardmanrobally a NPC..
Lich and death knight are turned into Heroes.. Death knight whitout his Horse..
The Druids are probally also a Hero..
Harpies They just forgot.. I don't think you could make a game without them.. Or a siren must have replaced them?
Gryphons:Erathia is death.. so does the gryphons? BORING! What is a FANTASY BASED MYTHOLOGY GAME without a gryphon?
Magog:They hated them and would never put them in again. ;o(
Imps:GONE! ;o(
Pit lord: Also only 1 time in homm3 just like the magic elementals.
Pegasus:To much horses would destroy the game..
Dendroids:??? Maybe a dryad replace them? I really hoping on the Phoenix and Dryad being Level 4 of the preverse.. But i guess the boring gold dragon will take this role...
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