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RoseKavalier
Admirable
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posted September 13, 2017 07:07 PM |
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted September 13, 2017 07:45 PM |
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Okay and I guess AI does'nt use it either?
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Nimostar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted September 14, 2017 04:41 AM |
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I think I saw AI using Disguise, however, don't quote me on that as I may be completely wrong. Also Disguise only suppossedly lasts 1 turn and AI tends to go after human players, not before.
However, dumbly enpugh this no-effect spell is BANNED from many H3 tournaments. Why? Seems russians do not like it and think it is overpowered. So much for deception strategy.
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted September 14, 2017 02:56 PM |
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I have this question in HoMM3 Tactics for some time, without any answer, maybe someone knows it:
bloodsucker said:
Is there a way to hide from View Air? Maybe with Disguise or something. I saw this guy moving, can't had flee with TP cause I took his last town and yet, I can't locate him with View Air.
It was too long ago to remember the details but I'm pretty sure I saw the guy moving, used expert View Air and couldn't find it anywhere. RoseCavalier already proved AI heroes don't TP to other players towns and I had taken all of his. As far as I remember I was able to find him that day using Expert Scouting or Scouting specialist...
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zombiewhacker
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 15, 2017 10:29 PM |
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To summarize, then... does Disguise make your hero's army seem bigger or smaller to the enemy hero?
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Orc
Famous Hero
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posted September 26, 2017 02:48 AM |
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Well evn a human would know thay AA isnt 2000 and couldn't be.
I nevered used that spell in my life. Not that i think of.
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zombiewhacker
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 13, 2017 11:33 PM |
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Seriously, though: does Disguise make your army appear bigger (to scare enemies off) or smaller (to lure unsuspecting enemies into a trap)?
Also, can AI use Disguise, or is the spell disabled for computer-controlled heroes?
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NimoStar
Responsible
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posted October 18, 2017 05:46 AM |
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The disguise makes your army appear bigger, as anyone that has ever used can attest to.
Actually the quantities of creatures stays the same. Just that all stacks are replaced by your strongest creature in the army.
So if you had 200 gnolls, 10 basilisks and 3 hydras,
The enemy would see 200 hydras, 10 hydras and 3 hydras.
Thus the usefulness would seem limited.
Yet, it is perfect for obscuring army composition in multiplayer sometimes (if it is not banned and you play before the opponent)
The AI only plays after you on single player, so even if they used Disguise, I think you would never see it (unless it could last more than a turn...)
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zombiewhacker
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 18, 2017 11:20 PM |
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Thanks for clarifying that.
I guess I'll never have any use for Disguise, then, as I only play against the computer.
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Nimostar
Responsible
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posted October 19, 2017 11:10 PM |
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You can use it for cool screenshots :V
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Sir_Juas
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 09, 2018 08:14 PM |
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It would be a blast that in HotA they make "Disguise" do:
-Lower chances of neutrals from fighting you or fleeing away. (shouldnt affect if they wanna join you, because that is time for "Diplomacy" to act  )
-Giving option of making your army appear higher level OR lower level aswell 
-And more importantly, to make it last 3 days! 
Saluts
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Ben80
Famous Hero
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posted June 12, 2018 04:39 PM |
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Main problem of Disguise in original game SoD is disguise bug - first players don't see subsequent ones as disguised.
Disguise spell itself not so bad spell (though it is uselessly to cast it against AI) - spell allows to hide true army strength (completely at Expert level), even if enemy use Vision spell or Rogues.
In original game spell is not designed to fool enemy - if enemy sees such unusual army by right click, he understand that Disguise spell was applied. But spell is intended to hide ("masquerade") army quality and quantity and do it efficiently.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted May 06, 2021 03:18 PM |
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How would you guys go about removing Disguise?
If you just ban it there will only be 14 level 2 spells, Blind and Visions will also become easier to learn and those are quite powerful spells. (I also hate how Blind ruins ballista/cannon, if you don't have Artillery.)
Inferno also has double the chance of learning Disguise, while Fortress can't learn it at all, so just banning it will also mess with spell probabilities.
Maybe banning Disguise and remove Blind and Visions from starting towns or what is the best way to remove Disguise?
I wish HotA would replace this useless and unfair spell, with something actually useful and fair.
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Hourglass
Supreme Hero
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posted May 06, 2021 07:13 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
Maybe banning Disguise and remove Blind and Visions from starting towns or what is the best way to remove Disguise?
I wish HotA would replace this useless and unfair spell, with something actually useful and fair.
I'm unsure what you're referring as "unfair" when speaking in about this subject.
And if the best way to remove the spell would be get completely rid of it, just increase the other spell probabilities in mage guilds. If some of the tier 2 spells were increased by 1%, the change will be completely unnoticeable for average player (and tbh, for any player).
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted May 06, 2021 07:36 PM |
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Disguise benefits earlier players, (Red over green for example.) that's why I find it unfair.
VS AI at Expert or Impossible it does'nt work at all and AI does'nt use it either.
I guess I could change spell probabilites, except Cove's, I don't know how to change theirs.
Still you would get 4 (5 at Tower) out of 14 spells in Mage Guilds, so it would still become easier to learn Blind and Visions...
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Hourglass
Supreme Hero
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posted May 06, 2021 09:55 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
Disguise benefits earlier players, (Red over green for example.) that's why I find it unfair.
VS AI at Expert or Impossible it does'nt work at all and AI does'nt use it either.
Well, the only format Disguise could see is in the multiplayer, but it isn't played in there either. Usually a scout is used to see enemy player's army, stats and mana, so using that kind of trick simply doesn't work there.
phoenix4ever said:
I guess I could change spell probabilites, except Cove's, I don't know how to change theirs.
Still you would get 4 (5 at Tower) out of 14 spells in Mage Guilds, so it would still become easier to learn Blind and Visions...
Math doesn't work like that when we're talking about mage guilds thou. If the "leftover" % of the removed spell (Disguise) is distributed to other spells, Blind nor Visions will not be seen more often, as long as you're not increasing their chances.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted May 06, 2021 10:21 PM |
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If Disguise is'nt used in multiplayer either, that just proves how useless it is.
Yeah if the percentage is 100 in Mage Guilds then the chances will be the same yeah, but if you remove Disguise, that goes to 98 for most towns. (Again if only I could change Cove's probabilities.)
In Level 2 shrines, the chance will be 1 out of 14 though.
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted May 06, 2021 11:59 PM |
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If you make it last 3 days it will be useful for players that go last.
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AlexSpl
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted May 08, 2021 12:48 AM |
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If you play HD mod, and know what a plugin is, you may want to check Ben80's vision of how this spell should have worked (with his enhancements below): NewDisguise
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted May 08, 2021 07:57 AM |
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Sadly newer versions of HD Mod does'nt support plug-ins anymore and I like my HD Mod up to date.
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