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2XtremeToTake
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posted April 04, 2005 06:06 AM |
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Special Abilities..other suggestions on how i would make H5
Special Abilities
Im basing this off the creatures of HOMM3, as i have never played HOMM4.
Each creature should have some sort of special ability, that no other, or very very few creatures have. Some already do, but most dont.
Castle
Pikeman/Halbeirder - Ok i actually cant think of one here
Marksman - every 10 Marksmen reduce the range/wall penalty by 2%. Think about it. In real life, not everyone is equally skilled at everything, are they? I mean, if you have 10 archers, isnt there a chance that one will be really good at it? So like 1 out of every 10 helps the total range penalty.
Griffin - Already has one
Swordsman/Crusader - The crusader already has one..but i know something better, i mean, by definition, a Crusader is one who fights for a certian religion, most often Christianity. So perhaps, a chance to convert an evil creature with each blow. Or a certian bonus to Inferno creatures
Monk/Zealot - See Crusader
Cavilier/Champion - Already has one
Angel/Archangel - Already has one.
Rampart
Centaur/Centaur Captian - They should have the same jousting bonus as a Champion, for obvious reasons.
Dwarf - Already has one
Wood Elf/Grand Elf - See Marksmen
Pegasus/Silver Pegasus - Already has one (+2 spell points per spell when pegasi is present..Betcha didnt know that!)
Denderoid Guard - Already has one
Unicorn - Already has one
Green Dragon/Gold Dragon - Breath attack should have a chance to permantly burn the victim, similar to the Wyverns poison attack.
Tower
Gremlin/Master Gremlin - I dont know, but these little guys seem to be the type to cast some sort of spell. Perhaps, they can damper the effect of all spells casted on the battlefield, as sort of a curse/blessing
Gargoyle - They should have the ability to scare the victims, lowering their defense.
Stone Golem/Iron Golem - Already has one (Only takes a certian damage percentage from spells)
Mage/Archmage - Already has one.
Genie/Master Genie - ALready has one
Naga - Should be similar to a Hydra and Cerebi
Giant/Titan - They really dont need nothing...
Stronghold
Goblin/Hobgoblin - Im Mythology, Goblins are known for being sneaky. So perhaps when attacking a high level creature, perhaps level 5-7 creatures, they can steal some of your resources.
Wolf Rider/Raider - Already has one
Orc - Should throw twice
Ogre/Magi - Magi already has one
Roc/Thunderbird - Already has one
Cyclops/Cyclops King - Already has one
Behometh/Ancient Behometh - Should have a chance to do double damage, or perhaps make them a sorta carnivore, where when they attack, they can heal some of their hitpoints, sort of like a vampire, but they dont ressurect.
Fortress
Gnoll/Gnoll Maraduer - See Goblin
Lizard/Lizard warrior - Ok i am stuck on this one too
Dragon Fly/Serpant Fly - Already has one
Basilisk - Already has one
Gorgon - Already has one
Wyvern - Already has one
Hydra - Already has one, but as suggested in another thread, they should be able to cross moats with no penalty
Dungeon
Troglodyte - Already has one
Harpy/Hag - Already has one
Evil Eye - Should be able to shoot twice for upgrade only
Medusa - Already has one
Minotaur - Should attack twice. I mean if a crusader can, a Minotaur should definitly be able to
Scorpicore/Manticore - A sort of roar can be used, like to cast. It can lower the defense of a selected unit, by scaring them. They ARE part lion
Red Dragon/Black Dragon - See Green/Gold Dragon
Inferno
Imp/Familar - ALready has one..
Magog/Gog - Already has one, but it should be removed!
Cerebus/Hell Hound - Already has one..Should have some sort of poison bite
Demon - Should have a reverse effect of the crusader (Chance to convert any good aligned creatures to evil)
Pit Fiend - Already has one
Efreet - Should be spellcaster like Genie
Devil - should be able to ressurect their allies, like the archangel.
Necropolis
Every creature in this town has a special Ability
Conflux
Im not even going to go into it.
Switches
Castle
1. Pikemen
2. Archers
3. Griffin
4. Monk
5. Caviliers
6. Crusaders
7. Angels
Crusaders should be higher than champions, as in H2. Because, Champions dont even use real swords. I mean they use jousting poles.
Rampart
1. Dwarf
2. Elf
3. Centaur
4. Pegasi
5. Denderoid
6. Unicorn
7. Dragon
Centaurs should be a level 3 creature, with Dwarf and Elf, as level 1 and 2. I mean, look at it realistically, What would be stronger. A Half man half horse with a long pole, or a short dwarf with a axe? honestly. The Dwarf aint got NOTHING on the Centaur. And the Elf is basically a human with pointy ears. So Centaurs are them, plus a horse.
Tower
1. Gremlin
2. Golems
3. Gargoyles
4. Magi
5. Genies
6. Naga
7. Giants
Gargoyles should be higher than golems. Gargoyles have pointy fangs and sharp claws. Golems just punch really, really hard.
Stronghold
1. Orc
2. Wolf Rider
3. Ogre
4. Goblin
5. Cyclops
6. Roc
7. Behometh
Something that has always puzzled me. The roles of the Ogre and Goblin. Goblins are typically weak in this game..but why?? I mean, look at the weapons? Let me compare this. Would you rather be stabbed by Gary Coleman, or beaten with a Baseball bat by Barry Bonds? You probably chose beaten with a baseball bat. The goblin should do more damage, i mean the ogre should have an ability to stun, but oh well.
Also the Orc and Wolf rider should switch places, simply because i say so.
Cyclops and Roc. The cyclops have to haul big heavy boulders around, to throw, while Rocs and swing down and rip a victims throat out from the air.....yea.
Fortress
1. Gnolls
2. Lizardmen
3. Dragonflys
4. Basilisks
5. Wyvern
6. Gorgon
7. Hydra
The Wyvern and Gorgon should switch places because the gorgon just seems naturally more powerful.
Dungeon
1. Troglodytes
2. Beholders
3. Harpys
4. Medusas
5. Scorpicores
6. Minotaurs
7. Dragons
The beholds and harpys should switch places for a simple game reason, two shooters shouldnt be right after each other.
Scorpicores and Minotaurs should switch places as well. Minotaurs are big huge tough guys, with huge ass axe's. Scorpicores are part lion, part bat, and part scorpion. Tell you what. Pit The Rock with a huge axe against a lion, bat, and a scorpion. Tell me who'd win.
Inferno
1. Imp
2. Hell Hound
3. Gogs
4. Demons
5. Pit Fiends
6. Efreet
7. Devil
Hell hound and gog should switch places because the hell hound is a damn dog! a DOG! The gog is a creature with a burning tail who hurls huge fireballs!
Necropolis
1. Zombie
2. Skeleton
3. Wight
4. Liches
5. Vampires
6. Dread Knights
7. Ghost Dragons
In traditional mythology and fantasy, the first step of undeadism is a zombie. I mean a persons skeleton doesnt pop right out. They would become a rotting corpse, then a skeleton.
Vampires seem logically more stronger than liches. Liches are just skeletons that are fancy and have a long staff.
A few more notes on some features in H5..
I would bring back pretty much the same style as H3. You know, 7-8 castles, 6-7 creatures all with upgrades, and a magic and might hero for each castle.
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a_rebirthing...
Supreme Hero
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posted April 04, 2005 08:57 AM |
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Pikeman/Halbeirder-has a 40% chance to decrease enemies attack by 25% by disarming thier weapon(since they have long weapons), only works on creature with a weapon
Lizard/Lizard warrior-has a 20% chance to block 50% of damage, kind of camoflauge.
nice job, i especially like the castle changes like making the centaur stronger
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Zekal
Tavern Dweller
Dark Lord
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posted April 04, 2005 02:19 PM |
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Pikemen/Halberdier -- Hold the Line -- While taking a defense action, due to the long reach of their weapons they make the first strike.
Crusader -- Perhaps... since they are religious etc, they gain bonus to stats for having angels on the field and slight bonus damage vs demons?
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2XtremeToTake
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 04, 2005 03:12 PM |
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excellent idea guys, i like the pikeman ideas for both.
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a_rebirthing...
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with rebirthing power
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posted April 05, 2005 08:54 AM |
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nice idea zekal but with the crusader, what about they do like 10% damage to all demon/inferno type creatures with angels present instead(unless this is what u meant originally)
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'Tis better to rely on the the wit of your brain rather than the speed of your hands and mouse -me
Being happy isn't just an emotion, it's a choice!-Leo_Lion
It's Gortex!!!
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Zekal
Tavern Dweller
Dark Lord
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posted April 05, 2005 04:10 PM |
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Sounds good. I guess it depends if they are going to be a higher or lower level unit in H5... but they certainly need something as two slashes is no different to one since they can only slash the same enemy twice.
Which upon typing that makes me think... what if they Could split their two slashes and slash two different enemies?
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a_rebirthing...
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posted April 06, 2005 08:02 AM |
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i dont think that is a good idea zekal it would make them too strong. that idea could only be included if they were the top of the castle like town
maybe +1 or +2 morale woulde be better
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'Tis better to rely on the the wit of your brain rather than the speed of your hands and mouse -me
Being happy isn't just an emotion, it's a choice!-Leo_Lion
It's Gortex!!!
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Ellderon
Adventuring Hero
Lightbringer
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posted April 06, 2005 12:27 PM |
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Let's analyze (from a historical viewpoint)
Polearms (pikes, spears, helbeards) are effective against mounted units and are good for a defense line.
Work even better with a tower shield, but then the spear is mostly held by one hand, thus, less attack power.
Two-handers are effective against anything in melee. But suffer against ranged attack as one cannot have shields.
Maces/hammers/morningstars - work wonders if used by mounted units, excellent against light & medium armor. Less effective agaisnt heavy armor
Bow/Longbow - great range and rate of fire. Effective agqainst lighter armor and some medium types (chainmail is effective against them for instance)
Crossbow - sluggish rate of fire, but great attack power.
To make it more detail one should break the damage type weapons do (blunt, pierce, slashing).
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Asmodean
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Heroine at the weekend.
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posted April 06, 2005 12:46 PM |
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That's getting a bit D&D, something heroes has never explored before.
I'm not sure I'd welcome it, too much strategy can hurt a game as much as too little.
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gerdash
Responsible
Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted April 06, 2005 01:41 PM |
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Ellderon
Adventuring Hero
Lightbringer
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posted April 06, 2005 02:22 PM |
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I said LESS EFFECTIVE, not innefective,
A well done full plate mail will absorb most of the impact.
Hit someone in leather armor of chainmail and you'll break half their bones.
It's allso dependant where you hit someone and how that someone moves.
It's not the same hitting a static helmet and moveing arm, for instance...
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gerdash
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Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted April 06, 2005 02:46 PM |
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Quote:
I said LESS EFFECTIVE, not innefective
then please replace the word 'ineffercive' with words 'less effective'. i am not english language expert, but i think it's a matter of taste, because i said it in the context of 'how', if you want to go to that level of nit-picking.
and please do look at the videos, they should be self-explaining.
a heavier sword against chanin should also break bones and i would rather guess that a hammer might go through chain (found no hammer against chain video, though).
other videos on that site show effectiveness of swords on chain (and what's under it), meat, etc, much better than a page of my blathering.
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Polaris
Promising
Known Hero
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posted April 06, 2005 05:22 PM |
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Quote:
Im basing this off the creatures of HOMM3, as i have never played HOMM4.
Each creature should have some sort of special ability, that no other, or very very few creatures have. Some already do, but most dont.
Should've played HOMM 4.
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a_rebirthing...
Supreme Hero
with rebirthing power
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posted April 07, 2005 12:02 AM |
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HOMM3 is good too especially with wog
Moderator's note:This topic has been closed, as it refers to an older version of the game. To discuss Heroes 3, please go to Library Of Enlightenment, to discuss Heroes 4, please go to War Room Of Axeoth, to discuss Heroes 5, go to Temple Of Ashan.
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