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lkru33
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posted May 01, 2005 02:44 PM |
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Edited By: lkru33 on 2 May 2005
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I must say I was amused to see that you recorded a loss for your premature reporting, but i suggest u write AzureMajesty to have it corrected. 
Well, game is finished and stands as reported 
I think I did this because I asked to save the game since I didn't have time to finish. I was not off to a good start, and I suspected that it would just be a matter of time. You didn't know me, so I wanted to do something to make it known that my intentions were to continue and finish, without looking at the save. I see that lots of people don't like to save because they don't know what the opponent will do (look at saves, etc...). For me, I don't always have time for a complete game, so saving for me sometimes is a must.
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Aculias
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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted May 02, 2005 10:57 AM |
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Maretti I would rather say Heroes 3 is more like poker & not chess like you said  .
Game of luck & skill.
Poker skill gives you the better odds of winning but luck is a factor, thats what makes poker interesting 7 I think that is why players keep playing this game for all these years.
Just because anyone can get lucky & win but most of the time the more skilled players will win.
Theres dif skill catagories.
You have to have agility for a faster game movements, you have to chain correctly, make wise decisions & strategic battles.
I had my share of great games against the best but i know i wont beat some of the players, probally never because thier that good lol.
I got a random tourney against Kuma & I know i wont beat him but I am going to try lol.
I know your not a cherry picker Maretti. Unfortunately, you accused me of dishonourable play & thats not cool.
You told me lying was not the case.
I was not saying i didnt do it.
I was TELLING YOU i didnt do it but you are fixed that I have a memory lapse & it was me.
Therefore you are calling me a liar.
I was going to call you somethang that started with Son but i wont.
Next time your going to accuse a player then you better get your facts straight.
Someone with a 4584903905404-4 loss record sure does make it sound easy
LKRU I have not looked at your stats but i know you have alot to learn I seen you play that game we had.
Unfortunately i could not increase my stats or lv ups in 5 areas so i had to use lv 1-3 spells hehe.
I think players are jealous of you because your one of the better noobs .
When i was new I was pretty jolly, I loved the challenge, I wanted to play the very best & try to beat them.
The Vinz, Flamingo,Midnight, I wanted them all on my plate as a noob hehe.
I been through alot so I dont play as many players as i did.
I had a very fun noob days also tho lol.
Made a name quick for being one of the honest above average noobs in the game hehe.
My advice is just play, try your luck if you can & have fun lol.
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Aculias
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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted May 02, 2005 11:06 AM |
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I forgot friendly advice LKRU.
I played the best & just great players.
I will tell you what I been probally lost mosr embarrasingly more then any players.
Andi breaking in with AB while i still had my teddy bears.
Zud using Hypnotism to make my genie attack his 4 stack of droids lol.
Accidently sacraficing my AA vs Artpendragon (Cuda Driver).
Kuma mass slowing my fortress army while he had his inferno troops do the wait & hit 7 run on the battle field till my massave troop army decresed to almost nothing & never even scratching his army LOL.
I can name much more but you know what, I was respected because I tried my best & you know i was brave even tho I knew my chances of winning was like 1 out of 20 lol.
I loved to play them on thier favorite map also.
Just to get the challenge & try to make an upset because thats what i like to do.
Just play 7 do your best, you get more respect that way from players.
I am respected by all, except for the newer players hehe, but I dont really care what they think
High stat all wins 7 hardly any losses players are diferent.
Many care about only wins & stats, some are that good 7 play all, & some are just Aholes who cutthroat.
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patriot_pulsar
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 05, 2005 10:32 AM |
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Heroes is like poker u right acu.
But i think u know better then me that poker is not just luck u reching high always i am playing not bad myself 2. So my point is heroes is very complicated game and only when u dont know how to play it u think it is only lucky game.
About cherry pickers: I dont know anyparticular cherry pickers on zone but what i found annoing that when i came to zone i get a lot of massages to play me but when i aske them why u been here for a while and i can see a lot of other good players here who wanted the game 2 why didnt u played each other. And what was ammaising that there were no answer he just didnt zmed me back
P.s if my english is bad and i dont make a lot of sence sorry i just wake up and i am still feeling terrible(stupid flue)
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LordLazy
Promising
Famous Hero
Wood cleaner
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posted May 05, 2005 10:41 PM |
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when I log on zone, noone asks me for a game 
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lkru33
Promising
Famous Hero
3x NFL Pick'em Champ
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posted May 06, 2005 02:14 PM |
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when I log on zone, noone asks me for a game
I notice that alot of the people on the zone play the same people over and over again. How long were you waiting LL? Myself, sometimes I sign on the zone and then go do something around the house (if I don't see any familiar names) knowing that it takes a while to get a game going.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted May 06, 2005 02:58 PM |
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when I log on zone, noone asks me for a game
Perhaps they think you are too Lazy to play a game...
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AzureMajesty
Promising
Adventuring Hero
Gaea Mother Earth
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posted May 31, 2005 06:02 AM |
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Bumpity Bump Bump 
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nevermind
Famous Hero
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posted May 31, 2005 06:18 PM |
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i have alot of things i wanna comment about this thread
letz start:
firstly lkru,you claim your a noob but i would also ask you to play if i looked at your ww record,he's really good even for a vet!??, 14-7 record with beating very good player like ginterlen which is really at high level and emti&disasterlord which i played them both and are not bad players at all,so indeed your record is misleading and i would probably ask u to play also so i don't blame maretti.
(get some more losses man so everybody would know your a noob )
haha
well now i wanna speak a bigger issue lordlazy has mentioned about ww:
as we all know toh used to be the most popular tourny and now ww(more right to say tribes) is the most popoular tourny.
here are the reason which why i think (also azure said that) that happend:
rating systems:
toh had a really good rating system but it had a major flaw which in time people relise is too massive to keep playing for toh.
flaw:
losses decreased points. some say its an advantage,in my opnion that's a very bad thing becuase..: it makes people take losses too hard and do anything to avoide a loss(this might make a man cheat)
,also and most importantly the fact that the decrease of points was calcuated by the diffrence of points was terrible,it basically says that a player is not as good as he plays but as good as his current points,
that made really good players not ever wanna play with avarage or even as good as players as they are simply becuase they have more points.i think good players playing avarage players is important becuase it helps improve the avarage player,also its rediculus when a good player who is allitle less active,or was inactive for a certian period can't play against a player who is same level or even worst then him.
that i think is the biggest problem with toh and what made people switch to ww,but....
ww which offers a good sulotion to this with its rating system(btw when talking about ww i will talk mostly about tribes) made a few problems of it own
here are ww's problems:
firstly tribes has an issue with towns,having only 2 towns in a tribe(maybe 3 later on) cuases games to be more boring since it eliminates playing other towns making players only play 1 town all the time ,in my mind a player who only knows to play good in just 1 town is a less good player and lacks versatility.
suggested sulotion: give more starting towns for a tribe,i really see no reason that wouldn't be 4 towns instead of 2,there are 7/(8) towns to choose from.
And the biggest problem... which lord lazy mentioned and i feel the same,which toh on that side had a good system is individual rankings. the ww individual rating is umm how should i put this nicly - not good. azure did explain how the hole ww ranking system works which in general has some nice ideas,but any time i look at the top 20 players i can only think about how its wrong and not even close, if i ask anyone,who is the 10th best player in ww today,no one can give me a correct answer, for this problem i can suggest here a solution,i'm not saying its the best but i am sure its better then current ranking system,and if anyone has commets\suggestions i'll be happy to hear:
firstly the main problem with the current ranking system is the points don't factor how good are the players which playing each other,if a "less good" player beats a player who is better then him he should be rewarded much more then if he would beat someone who is much worst then him, also we must consider the toh problem that this might make a person not want to play a player who is ranked lower then him, to solve this i wanna use a combination of both current ww idea which is great and the toh points system,
the idea is first of all to prevent too large gaps between players how a player is estimated should be based NOT on his points, rather on a "level system" much like a hero that goes up in levels every player will have a certain level ranges from 1 to about 10,why 10?
well that's need to be desided but i feel the ww ranking system provides a very good system for this levels:
straggler will be level 1
commoner will be level 2
guildmaster is level 7
king\queen is level 10 and is highest level of a player currently on ww(rock_bull)
how is that better then with points?
well first of all each new season a player's record doesn't need to be deleted since his experience up to that season affect his status on next season,secondly that prevents situations like a good player who stopped playing for a while or has NOT been active enough can play any other good player.
it solve the noob vs expert ,since levels are achieved slower then points and the diffrence between them (10-1=9 is maximum diffrence between players) is smaller this makes it less a factor .
another cuase that lowers the chance to have something like "i play only against guildmaster" is the tribes factor,since a person plays also for tribes and there the point system is the same for all players at least in one way there is no diffrence when playing someone with smaller level.
now how i think the point system should be exactly
wins :
if (winner level-loser level) < 0
he gets-
(winner level-loser level) * somefactor + fixedpoints
points
i feel the ratio between "somefactor" and "fixedpoints" should be 1:5.
if (winner level-loser level) > 0
he gets-
fixedpoints
this makes higher leveled player not care who they play against , and lower leveled players want to play against the best players , that in my opinion the optimal situation.
for exmample:
letz take a lvl 7 player vs lvl 2 player and letz set somefactor=200 ,there for fixedpoints is 200*5 = 1000
if lvl 7 player wins he gets 1000 points,if lvl 2 player wins he gets 2000 points
losses:
first of all lordlazy said he don't like to gain points on losses but i feel getting points on losses does make sense,
letz take for example a noob who losses his first 15 games, first of all having 0 points might lower his moral ,secondly do u think the same noob when started with 0-0 record and how he is now with 0-15 record hasn't improved his skill? i think losing also improves your skill and altough the amount of points given in losses should be small you should still get points.
now how i think the points for losing should be:
in losses:
if (winner level-loser level) < 0
loser gets-
(winner level-loser level)* somefactor2 + fixedpoints2
points
if (winner level-loser level) > 0
he gets-
fixedpoints2
As you can see its the same formulas only
i think the ratio between the two should be 1:20
that basically means players with same diffrence in levels would get for 20 losses the same amount of points as for 1 win.
also i feel that when a low level player plays against a much better opponent he learns more in his game then playing lower leveled opponents.
for example:
a level 7 player plays against a level 2 player
somefactor2=10 therefor fixedpoints2= 10*5= 50
if player lvl 7 losses he gets 50 points.
if player lvl 2 losses he gets 100 points.
the general rating of all players is based only on points and not on the level.
this i feel offers a good sulotion to most problems
and best represent the best player in ww.
also a nice thing would be to have a tournament between top 4 or 8 players for a ww cup but this is optional.
i feel this issue is very important : tournaments are 20% of the fun in heroes ,humans have natural will to compete and i feel nither toh or ww have provided yet a good enough and fair rating system
i feel my offer is solving alot of problems but it isn't perfect also ,if someone has an idea to improve or a better system i would love to hear it,but i think its very important that ww change its current rating system and do it next season,since it will probably be the last season for heroes 3 and i feel a better system should be tested before heroes 5 comes out, i think when heroes 5 season will start with the current ww system toh might win the battle that means that yet again all the problems of toh will be back,personally i feel that with heroes 5 i wouldn't wanna play either toh or ww as they currently stand ,a combination of the two seems very logical and looks like the best solution for me.
p.s : i have another suggestion to improve ww, while reporting a win or loss add a "template" field,
each random report looks the same but i feel when seeing a person's record i would like to see which templates he played,and what is his record in each one.
waiting for your comments , could i be the only one who feels this way??
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted May 31, 2005 08:21 PM |
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I really like the point system like it is on WW.
Reason 1:
Every player can play against anyone, no matter which rankings they both have. No1 can lose a point or a ranking when he loses a game.
Reason 2:
Members who play much more than others get a kind of reward, coz only the wins really count for that ranking (from Grandmaster up to legend). So players who are not at top level also can reach higher ranks by playing more games...
Reason 3:
It is much easier to prevent tribes from creating superteams, coz with the grandmaster rule (more than 50 wins), u can calculate by your own when u will reach that number. With a system like TOH, it would be much more difficult to make such restrictions. And u could easy "cheat" by loosing 2 or 3 games against newbies and loosing some points then, so u prevent to achieve a new ranking, and u r able to play some more games for the tournament against good players, coz the points u get from those games are much lower...
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nevermind
Famous Hero
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posted June 01, 2005 01:00 AM |
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angelito
have u read my propusal?
my propusal supports both 1,2,3 of why you like ww system, all i want is to improve it like i said in my post ww system is better then toh's but it lacks the strength of the toh system to estimate how good a player really is, so please don't tell me how good you think ww system is,refer to my system or offer one of your own that is better then current ww system,cuz in my openion it is a good system but not good enough and if a better system can be used why use a less good system?
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 01, 2005 01:30 AM |
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I think your jealous Spy, LKRU is indeed a noob player with a gift of learning from his games & he has a promising future in future heroes games & heroes 3.
I played him once & I can vouce that he still has alot to learn.
He is also a good player too.
I should train him like I used to do & get him to be really good hehe.
TOH has some harsh history on vutthroat play, I think Isaac 7 Tammy saw that & they came together to come up with a plan to make the game more fun factor.
Since no one would listen to them, they decided to do it on thier own & even I or others probally didnt think they would get this much people to stick with thier tourney.
We all gave ideas, it's for everyone & no one can be left out like i was in toh for yrs.
Problem with toh is that no one cares as long as the tournament is active.
if W&W no one has to worry about what lv they are or trying to make it so far in the lv.
I am proud of Debs for Sticking with the tournament all by herself, even tho i seen a few thangs that should of never happened, She is doing quite well & I wish she wouldnt work so hard, I will keep offering to help ever since she took it over.
I think thats the only Stubborness Debs has is that she wont let no one help her.
SOmetimes even you need a break Debs hehe.
I love to help, anytime you need it.
W&W always been fair, excluding a few problems but thats only a few in many yrs 7 thats good.
I had a hard time with W&W, but i am always fair about it all.
Maybe because we all love Debs
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nevermind
Famous Hero
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posted June 01, 2005 08:13 PM |
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manuel wtf are you talking about?
accusing me of being jealuos is perhaps the most insulting thing i have heard (if i was you i would appologise.)
I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL BE JEALOUS OF ANY MAN OR ANYTHING,i thought you came to know me abit in the zone obviusly i was very wrong, i'm too smart and have too much of a character to be jealous .
your post like angelito has no relevant to my post it seems you all got me way misunderstood,nobody ever said AM doesn't do a great job on ww and no one ever said ww system is not good, i simply say it can be improved but you all too busy in thinking i attacked ww in some way and defending it instead of thinking of what i said.
i'm starting to think this is hopeless,no one listens to me.
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nevermind
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posted June 01, 2005 08:13 PM |
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manuel wtf are you talking about?
accusing me of being jealuos is perhaps the most insulting thing i have heard (if i was you i would appologise.)
I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL BE JEALOUS OF ANY MAN OR ANYTHING,i thought you came to know me abit in the zone obviusly i was very wrong, i'm too smart and have too much of a character to be jealous .
your post like angelito has no relevant to my post it seems you all got me way misunderstood,nobody ever said AM doesn't do a great job on ww and no one ever said ww system is not good, i simply say it can be improved but you all too busy in thinking i attacked ww in some way and defending it instead of thinking of what i said.
i'm starting to think this is hopeless,no one listens to me.
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lkru33
Promising
Famous Hero
3x NFL Pick'em Champ
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posted June 01, 2005 08:23 PM |
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letz start:
firstly lkru,you claim your a noob but i would also ask you to play if i looked at your ww record,he's really good even for a vet!??, 14-7 record with beating very good player like ginterlen which is really at high level and emti&disasterlord which i played them both and are not bad players at all,so indeed your record is misleading and i would probably ask u to play also so i don't blame maretti.
(get some more losses man so everybody would know your a noob )
@ Spy - I am not a noob to Heroes 3, but to online gameplay. Angelito helped me get setup and I had my first game online with him as an ally vs. the AI about 2 1/2 months ago. He helped me understand some basic tactics that I never used when playing against the AI for 3+ years. After our game, I would look for people to play "fun games", but Tribes season was going on, so nobody would play for fun. It was recommended that I join a tribe if I want to get any games in. So I signed up for WW and attempted numerous times to get into an existing tribe, but had no luck. Finally, while chatting on the zone, I spoke to another person new to online play that also wanted to be in a tribe... I told him I would join his tribe if he started one. So that is how I got started. Of course I was able to get some games now that I am offically in a tribe. Maybe some of those wins you mentioned happened early on when I didn't have any games under my belt... I was taken lightly? Who knows. Maybe I have gotten better and have upgraded to Sr. Noob status? Anyways, I will get my share of losses, don't worry about that. Perhaps if I play you, you can help me out there
@ Acu - If you have the time to help me out, I sure could use some pointers and would take you up on that offer
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Sir_Stiven
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Legendary Hero
banned
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posted June 01, 2005 08:29 PM |
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your wish shall be granted...
ill hereby dub you "Sr n00b", now stand up and be recognized
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Leo_Lion
Honorable
Supreme Hero
The 5th Element & 6th Sense!
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posted June 01, 2005 08:32 PM |
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Hello Nevermind,
I liked your proposal  and am curious to see if either WW or ToH would change their current "point systems" in the coming season, towards something similar to what you suggested.
The problem, however, is that since they already have "point systems" in place, I don't know if they would be willing to go through the trouble of readjusting everything. From my experience, organised administrations will usually refer to the age-old saying: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". I'm sure that you'll agree, that in ToH & WW's case, there "point systems" might not be perfect, but they surely aren't broken.
So, regardless of how good your suggestions are, they might simply get passed over  ...UNLESS...you get many people to come forward with the same issues. I work at City Hall and therefore, know tons about bureaucracy; so trust me when I say: "The squeaky wheel gets the grease!"
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nevermind
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posted June 01, 2005 09:30 PM |
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yes leo lion you raise a good point
i do understand changing the point system can be complicated,time consuming and AM might think as well(would be interesting to hear her?)
she don't wanna do it and i can understand that.
if AM needs help about this i'm sure we can find people who will happy to help.
i really don't know exactly what it takes to do that but if its in any way possible i think it should be at least tried.
and by the way what you said "if something is not borken don't fix it"
if this issue didn't bother me as much as it did i wouldn't bother mentioning this so maybe there is something "broken" after all?
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Aculias
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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 01, 2005 10:50 PM |
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Thats not cool Spy, first I dont know you in zone I see a over too serious Pops that thinks hes better then all.
Second yea it seems you were jealous to me because you cried how good LKru is when maybe you just sucked being a Noob i dont know. Yes i know Debs does a good job, I tought she should know that I think shes doing wekk from me because sometimes I feel she think i dont think I do.
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patriot_pulsar
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 02, 2005 01:16 AM |
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ok i have a lot to say
1st: Angel u my first enemy now u teached lee and now he keep winning me A lot of potenciall in that boy and i have to destroy him
2nd: Spy ur sistem good but... Dont u think there is good when players have a choise? And i think if u want make something specific u should really start it if u need any help there is a lot of players that can help u Me for example if u decided start a site go ahead i will help
3rd: AM u really stubborn manny said that right but after speaking to zelda i understand why so i dont blame u and because job done exelent i cant say anything bad Great job keep going dont let ww die
4th: about adding towns as u wanted spy. I dont think it will help. I will be happy if it will but there is 100% it will not help. U have to change people first. Even if there will be 4 towns even if 8 still most players will play castle and thats sad I had great game for toh today all random with gladiator was a great fun and i gained a lot of experience from that game
I think thats all for now And dont fight guys thats just a game
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