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Mystery
Famous Hero
Hatebreeder
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posted April 09, 2001 06:56 PM |
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lvl 7 should be Grim Reaper->Soul Reaver
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Mystery
Famous Hero
Hatebreeder
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posted April 20, 2001 01:11 PM |
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Won't reply?
What do u think of my idea?
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arachnid
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 20, 2001 05:23 PM |
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id rather see deathknights being put to the top and getting rid of the dragons (theres too many),either mummies or ghouls being put in lower down to make up the town again. This would mean increasing the strengths of the vampires,liches and knights with the replacement creature fitting below the vampires.
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kuraizen
Adventuring Hero
Welcome to the Killing Fields
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posted April 20, 2001 05:55 PM |
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yeah, i think that there should be a new level 7, because vamps are powerfull enough, hehe, maby have it be a "ancient spirit" "eternal soul"
ancient spirit will cast animate dead once / combat,
eternal soul will also have 10% chance of any level 6-7 creatures it kills become it, (like ghosts in heroes one)
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Zud
Promising
Famous Hero
box worshipper
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posted April 20, 2001 06:32 PM |
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change transformer a little
I would like to see some slight changes to transformer, if I put magi or clops in (lvl 5 shooters) I would like to get liches. If I put in cavaliers (& mebe naga) I would like to get death knights. any thoughts on this?
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TheDragon
Hired Hero
Father Of ALL Dragons
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posted April 20, 2001 07:27 PM |
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transformer and other things
at first if like to say: zud is right the transformer needs to be changed:
i would like to see that:
1. only humanoid creatures could be transformed into skells cause the skells in heroes seem to be humanoid - no payment is okay
2. magically active creatures (Monks, Magi) should be able to be transformed to liches by paying some rerssources
3. only dragons should be able to be transformed into bone dragons....i dont see why angels come out of that thing as a dragon!!!
4. riding vratures as boars and champions should be able to ba transformed into death knights with payment of course
5. if u put an upgradet creature into the transformer it should also come out as upgraded
6. non skellet6al or non living creatures (genies, elementals, gargoyles, golems....) shouldnt be able to be transformed at all
as for vampires...i think vampires should only be able to drain/drink blood from equal and lower level creatures as they are themself - cause the higher levekl creatures are powerfull enough to withstand such attacks - with additional chance of killed units to become vamps themself....i think the blood of an angel should be poisonous to a vampire since it must be holy....i recommend a spell like holy aura or something that cant be entered by low level undead and causes higher level units pain (reducing attack or doing damage??)
i also think the bone drag should be removed or of lower level put in something like a spectre or something with an undead aura...reverse effekt as holy aure (see above)...rising necrmancy skill or casting a powerfull deathripple once per combat...
as for morale....i dont see why undead shouldnt have morale....does not a necromancer have fun in his doing in his way isnt he rejoiced if he sees his work goes on and he is winning??? as for zombies and skells are controlled by that necromanceer they also should have morale and bad morale...but if this is done tha double damage attack of death knights has to be removed!!! it would be too powerfull give them a riding attack bonus like champions as ride by attack like only half attack strenght as retalliation for attacked unit.
well that is all for the moment...any comments????
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Player also known as Boomi
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arachnid
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 20, 2001 07:57 PM |
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as for morale....i dont see why undead shouldnt have morale....does not a necromancer have fun in his doing in his way isnt he rejoiced if he sees his work goes on and he is winning??? as for zombies and skells are controlled by that necromanceer they also should have morale and bad morale...but if this is done tha double damage attack of death knights has to be removed!!! it would be too powerfull give them a riding attack bonus like champions as ride by attack like only half attack strenght as retalliation for attacked unit.
well that is all for the moment...any comments????
Nah i think the necro already thinks hes won and is trying hard to work how much skeletons he will get to worry about inspiring his troops.
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Triton
Adventuring Hero
Master of the Deep
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posted April 20, 2001 08:20 PM |
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The idea of converting champions to dread knights,etc in the skeleton transformer is good,but shouldn't the name of this structure be changed?After all,black knights don't look too skeletal to me
Many has mentioned that necro's weak in Heroes3,but I think otherwise.The vampire lords are freaking powerful with that bloodsucking ability.Can't just imagine if undead has morale
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Triton
Adventuring Hero
Master of the Deep
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posted April 21, 2001 04:06 AM |
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Revamping necropolis
I think black knights are too ordinary looking to be lvl7 units.After all,what's wrong with the ghost dragons?They have a -1 morale/luck(can't remember which) bonus and the aging attack is just fabulous
The GrimReaper sounds cool,though.
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BloodRain
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 21, 2001 08:55 AM |
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I agree they should change the name of the transformer.
Judging on it name, u transform Skeletons??? do't think so.
I think it sould called Undead Altar or somrthing.
And they should add one more special to undeads, the ability of avoiding a hit or half the damage. After all they have no feeling.
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kuraizen
Adventuring Hero
Welcome to the Killing Fields
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posted April 21, 2001 06:27 PM |
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angels don't turn into bone dragons, only hydras and drags
it should be called "flesh stripper" as mentioned in another topic, the topic (forgit the name) was pretty much an upgrade of the skelleton transformer,
assumig level 7 is highest i think the the bone dragons should be whiped out, maby a more hideous, -not another dragon- creature could be put in its place, maby have the dread knight up grade to a grim knight, gain flying (because he horse is a ghost now) and more movement, put him in the 7 spot, bump up lichs and vamps, and put ghosts back in as level 4, with 15% chance of level 1-4 creatures they kill becoming a ghost, have the vamps upgrade to "Ancient Lords" and give them the 10% chance of level 5-7 creatures they kill becomeing them, these incarnations will follow the rules of "living only" means any undead, or energy manefestation won't be incarnated, energy manefestations are genies, ellementals and the sort,
also i think the necro grail sucks, just another 30% necro skill? that sucks! i think that the grail, since its such a big thing, should maby change necro skill from raising skells to raising wraiths or zombies, with half of the resurection %, and the upgrade version at a quarter %skill
i suggest this change because if i have only necro heroes, and i have the grail, i typicaly build it in the rampart for the one ghost dragon / week more,
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Mystery
Famous Hero
Hatebreeder
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posted April 21, 2001 06:48 PM |
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I think that Lvl 7 should be Grim reaper which will evolve to Soul reaver, and Dread knight should be able to evolve to Doom guard.
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Mystery
Famous Hero
Hatebreeder
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posted April 21, 2001 06:55 PM |
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New necro
Heres is the unit list for necro for H4, since there are going to be multiple evolutions of units:
skel -> skel warrior -> skel captain
walking dead -> zombie -> black death
wight -> wraith -> haunter
vamp -> vamp lord -> psychic baron
lich -> power lich -> arch lich
black knight -> dread knight -> doom guard
grim reaper -> soul reaver -> doombringer
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raZor_X
Promising
Known Hero
The mysterious Warlock
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posted April 21, 2001 09:15 PM |
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I really like some of the ideas here, like the one that removes drags from necros and instead of them having a 7th level version of dread knights. They could be flying as someone mentioned. This could be good cuz the undead leader is always represented in a black horse, or ghost horse.
The Grim Reaper is cool to. But how is he going to look like, with a war scythe in the hand? Any ideas how's he going to look like. Or it could be a skeletal being, looking like Monks in heroes2, with a war (death bringing, cursed) scythe, something like wights, but much bigger and scary.
How about looking like the killer in the movie Scream, it could be interesting. Ya know, just some ideas for the beggining.
raZor_X
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Mikellll11
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 21, 2001 11:46 PM |
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Ghost
I agree that the ghohsts should be brought back.
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Anfi
Known Hero
Computer Puppet
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posted April 22, 2001 11:00 AM |
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These ides are just a jumble of thoughts....
I think everything should be able to go into the 'flesh stripper'. Things without bones would be converted to necro, they would look almost the same but have red eyes (supposing you could see their eyes) and would always have neutral morale as other undead do.
I think you should be able to create almost any undead creature with bones from any living thing with bones. Like if you skinned 20 pikemen = one lich =/ power lich? Alternatively, one champion = a couple skeletons or something or as they said above...a black knight etc?
You see what I am saying.
Maybe you could have a choice on what you wanted to make it.
Kind of like you would skin 30 pikemen and 15 griffins and have 100 bones or something to work with, and you could build so many skeletons /liches or whatever creature out of that.
Of course for this to work it would have to be unrealistic (gasp, oh no!) Im sure a skeleton would have just as much bones as a lich or whatever.
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Mocara
Famous Hero
what?
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posted April 22, 2001 04:09 PM |
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and so on...
When I first introduced this idea I liked the idea of skeletal structures coming out once put into the "killing machine" or "death stripper" but I knew the programmers at 3do would never go for all that extra graphic work.
Zud's version of the idea is a big improvement on it.
For one it would be a lot less work for the already busy staff to make it to where you put in a lev6 you get a deathknight, put in a lev 1 and get a skeleton, etc.
It also should be where if you put in an upgraded version you still just get the lowest level undead. It would get too complicated otherwise.
This would allow you the luxory of taking other towns, building them then stripping the creature's flesh if you could chain the units back to your necropolis.
I do not think it it needs to be caviler equals dread knight. I think it should just be straight lev for lev. I know it is hard to imagine a magic elemental coming out as a dread knight but likewise we are already used to suspending disbelief in fantasy.
After all who can justify how you can make a human skeleton out of a gorgon for example.
I also think some units like zealots and archangels should be have resistance to the machine and if the resistance kicks in then the unit escapes. Afterall I do not think it would be easy to stip the flesh from an Angel.
All good creatures should have some resistance maybe something like.
Dwarves - 5% up Angels 50% and all that fall in between.
As for Mystery's brilliant and overlooked idea of the top level creature being the Grim Reaper I could not agree more. What better to represent the city of death but the face of death himself. Big towering dude in black robe with the sickle in hand would be just menacing.
On a personal note Mystery I am grateful for all your great ideas you put on this board. You have an amazing imagination and we are all blessed that you are here guiding these threads in such a creative way.
I sincerely hope you consider getting into game design as your ideas are better than all the ideas I've been writing down in my books over the years and that impresses me to no end.
3do - Hire this guy!!!
-Mocara
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Mystery
Famous Hero
Hatebreeder
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posted April 22, 2001 04:37 PM |
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Hey, thanks mocara!
U have some great ideas too (you're the one started this thread, right?), also, I think its a great idea that only specific creautures come out of the killing machine:
* lvl.1 (all except centaur and such) -> skel (if upgd then the skel is upgd)
* zealot, dragon mage, shinto priest, mage, pit lord - liches (if upgd then lich is upgd)
* middle level humanoid (swordsman, demon, medusa?, elf) - wight/wraith
*dragons - bone drags (if upgd then ghost drag, see there is still place for the dead drags)
* champion, pegasus - dread knight (according to upg)
* angel, titan - grim reaper (if upgs then grim is upgd)
also of course high lvl have less chance to be transformed.
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arachnid
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 22, 2001 05:31 PM |
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Although i too think the idea of the flesh stripper thing should be changed im not sure it should work like put a lvl 6 creature in you get a deathknight.
Ill tell you why this would not work.
For instants imagine a small game with 4 towns involved two players one is rampart the over undead and each have one castle. The undead whould be able to convert all the castle creatures into undead meaning he would get double amount of the same creatures a week as the rampart with there castle. This would make them totally unbeatable as no matter what type of town they get it would be like them getting a undead one.
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Anfi
Known Hero
Computer Puppet
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posted April 22, 2001 06:35 PM |
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hey mystery, pegisus = dread knight? wouldnt that really disbalance it? or do you mean some new unit that has no rider?
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