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ConanAmra
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posted July 25, 2005 10:41 AM |
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Are the Religions guilty?
Im asking myself from time to time if there wouldnt be no religion on Earth,if then would be peace between all people or at least peace between most of them.Because as we see in todays world,the religion only uses people to to do what the highest members want to do from them.Its all about politics I say,and only troubles are looking out from,if someones having some God,please worship him in silence and dont tell others that this God is the only one and the best God and there is no other and better.Because the priests are doing this all around world,they need more and more sheeps,becasue they need someone to vote for them,or to gain more power and influnece all over world,but on the people there are on the lowest step of the ladder ,about them isnt cared about.Many conflicts are only because of the religion,what do you think,is the religion guilty for many things in our world??
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a_rebirthing...
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posted July 25, 2005 10:55 AM |
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are religions guilty???
well, being a strong believer in a religion, i would have to say that some religions are the problem. the big religions dont go believe in death is the answer.
like catholics. they believe in the ten comandments which can be summed up by "love one another"
buddism, doing good brings happiness, doing bad brings unhappiness.
these religions are all right
the cult kinda religions are the, well, rotton branch in a healthy tree. the one i am talking about are the religions with small numbers, the one which teach kids how to fire weapons
i think that the world would be a better place with no religions, but...
i do say that with certain religions would make the world the best place it could be.
so just get rid off the bad apples,
and lawyers, dont forget the lawyers
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mr_niceguy
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posted July 25, 2005 11:54 AM |
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without religions i think there would be alot more crime, because there is no fear of "hell" or no expectancy towards "hevean".
on the other hand without religion i think there would be no prejudice against homosexuals and bisexuals and there would be more love in the world where people are free to love whoever they want.
but without religion there are no or very few morals
but without religion there would be no ridiculing in the god(s) in which you belive
I'm not gonna say any religion (even several cults) are bad. maybe if i was born into that religion i would have a different veiw
but thats just what i think
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pitsu
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posted July 25, 2005 02:20 PM |
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I do not see a problem in religion as such, but in the respect that the religion gives to other religions and values.
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Svarog
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posted July 26, 2005 02:47 AM |
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Well, up until the XIX century religions were always if not the exact reason for wars and killing, then used as means to win over the masses for each warring party.
Today, the heads of religious organizations themselves dont approve of this, but there are some extremist leaders which use the fertile ground provided by religion to sow the seeds of discontent among different peoples. In short, i think that if there were no religions, people would be much better off. Not only in the context of wars and killing, but also positions that the church (for example) held at some point that inhibited progress in society.
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Asmodean
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posted July 27, 2005 06:16 AM |
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Yup, what Svarog says is true, and personally I'm not a great advocator of organised religions.
BUT, that being said - to throw a blanket over all religions is not fair. Quite a lot of wars in human history have been nominally sponsored by religion - however it was politics at the heart of it.
Greed for land caused one relgion to brand a nation as 'ungodly', so therefore it was God's work to kill them and steal their land/women/money.
It's never a cut and dried case and I've just skimmed the top of the inceberg - but snap judgment/blanket statements are what they are, and rarely let truth get in the way.
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ConanAmra
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posted August 19, 2005 02:43 PM |
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What do you say about the book DaVincis code?Which was forbidden to read by the Vatican,they afraid that they will loose they power on the people.
In it is written an another look about the whole church.Very interesting and some other facts i know are interesting too.DO you believe in God as it is told by the priests and bishops ?Or you only atheists?
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TheAsgard
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posted August 20, 2005 01:58 PM |
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Are they Religions guilty?
Yes, I believe in a sence that many religions are guilty for the way the world is and has become and I believe that the next world war which is due to start, will be due to the excuse of religion. personally I do not believe in religion but a can respect their views.
Take the Cathoilcs, they are one of the largest religions and most powerful religions in the world. They have billions of dollars in assets and have convicted, tried and killed millions of people throught history, such as during the crusades and the salem witch trials.
Their is the current issues of the Arabic religion(s) that are beimg accused of terrorist attacks. I may self don't feel that it is the generaly community that should be blamed i believe that it is the religion or at least the people preching the religion in the wrong light.
Not all small belief systems are ones that are dangerous, infact I am of a group that is not religious, respect other religions and we do have creators and whether you praise them or not is up to you. We do not impose our ways upon others, infact many of us prefer to keep to our selves and let others find their way to us for the right reasons. We spend our time helping and protectng humanity. Used in the right context it is peaceful.
I am not preching my ways, I just wish to show the comparisons of what has been writen in this forum about religions. Yes I think some religion is guilty and others are trying to make a difference.
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bjorn190
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posted August 20, 2005 04:21 PM |
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Religion is basically a way to entrepret and experience the world, and find meaning in existance.
It's not possible to end religion, just change it. So religion isn't guilty. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
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TheAsgard
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posted August 20, 2005 04:53 PM |
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I do understand that religion is a way for the societys of this planet to gain a type of understanding, and i am not wishing for an end to any religions because people have a right to follow a set of beliefs that they feel give them an understanding into their life.
But as you said each person is responsable for their own actions, so those religions should also be responsible for their actions and face up to what the pre decessors have burdoned them with.
If it is true that the arabic religion is responsible for those acts then they have to be responsible for those actions. The cathoilc church must be responsible for the actions of thier past not try and uses thier billions in assets to hide what they have done.
I am not out for revenge because it is not what i or others that follow the same path believe in. I wish to see that these groups are able to own up and be responsible for thier action, rather then trying to use more people to do their bidding.
In the end it shall be peace and prosperity that rains over the world to one day create a united front void of war, that is what we stand for.
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Svarog
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posted August 21, 2005 02:05 AM |
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Religion is basically a way to entrepret and experience the world, and find meaning in existance.
Ok, lets for a moment suppose that it is the purpose of religion. Doesnt trying to influence the course of things follow from interpretation and understanding of the world? And that is exactly what religious organizations do, create ideology and advocate its implementation, ie. promoting action. So, now it remains to determine whether the actions the religions have provoked so far were for a good cause or a bad cause. I intend to write a longer post later when time isnt pressing me, evidencing the sins of the church through history and you be the one to judge whether religion is guilty or not.
Religion in itself isnt bad. The religious organizations that claim holy representation in the name of a particular faith are the ones that are spreading negativism. Therefore, they are to blame and through them the "religion" they preach. In fact, religion cant exist without them.
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TheAsgard
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posted August 21, 2005 05:56 AM |
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I agree that religion in its self is not bad and i am in no way trying to condem these religions or say that one is superior to another, i am merly stating that it is the mostly the hierachy of people behind these religions that are to blame for what has been spread about their religions.
I believe that such people should not be given such power to use and abuse at there discression. I do think that there should be people that are somewhat higher that their followers because of years of dedication and experience but they should not be given a place of power, i.e the Catholic Pope, which lets them reign supreme over the majority of there spread. This can be cause for concern over why one such person should be given or would need such a power, it makes them seem more like a dictator rather than someone who wants to lead their people.
Each pocket of people can be lead by a group of experience practitioners and them each leading group can converse to make decissions on what they would like to see happen. I know that in some cases that they do do this but why have one higher power to make the executive decission, it should be a fair group effort.
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2XtremeToTake
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posted August 21, 2005 06:18 AM |
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I do believe that fighting over religon is a very stupid reason to fight, period.
Allow me to put this in a comical term
Kid1: Hey, Santa sucks!
Kid2: OmfG NO HE DONT!!!
Kid1: Yea he does, the easter bunny is better!
Kid2: No he isnt! The Easter bunny sux! Santa Rulez!
Kid1: NO!
Kid2: YES!
Kid1: NO!!!!
Kid2: Yess!!!!!
Anyone get the point here? There is no sense in fighting over something that may or may not exist. And yes, alot of the worlds problems are caused by religon.
The Holocaust was a massacre of Jews
9/11 was commited by terrorists, who believe that Allah sent them, which in turn spawned this entire War on Terror
The inquisition was a massacre of Muslims by Christians in spain.
As for my beliefs, I am against organized religon. The bible is words passed down by people several centuries before writing even existed.
Let me show you something. Get about 30 people in one giant circle. Whisper something in the ear of the person to your left, and tell them to pass it on. By the time it gets back to you, it will undoubtedly be different than the original message.
While the basic beliefs are decent, moral rules, even the churches dont seem to follow it. All you hear about these days is corruption and the likes, and it has been that way for several hundred years.
I do believe that there is a god somewhere out there, but no one knows anything about him/her/it.
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tigris
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posted August 21, 2005 07:05 PM |
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My parents raised me in a religious enviroment. I used to go to church every sunday and looking at my mother sometimes i got the feeling she is one of those religious fanatics.I used to hate church at first, but in the end i got to accept going there each sunday.
After i went to highschool/academy, me going at church became a once in a year event.
In the meantime, some stories like Adam and Eve, Moses and the 10 comendaments, Iov and so on became very hard to belive to me.Over the years i developed a personality based more on the rational, on reason, then on empirical knoledge.So my beiving in GOD reached a low point.
As i came home from school for 1 month i knew my mom expected me to go to church at least to pay a visit to my ancestors graves and to make a prayer.So today i made her wish come true.
Lately, Romania was cursed with catastrophic rains, which caused a lot of damage, many were killed, many lost their houses and all they have strived for their entire life.These tragedies can't let noone unimpressed and the media made sure that noone ignores tthese people.
I was unaware that my local church organised a fundraising for those struck by this disaster.Everybody from the community, gave as mush as they coold to help those in need.Today everybody prayed for those killed and injured and everybody begged GOD to stop his wrath and clear the skies.
At first i was amused by these efforts, knowing the weather man from tv said there is no chance of fine weather in the near future.So i thought "what a waste of time".
But after a time, seing people crying, praying to GOD
made me wonder: "wtf drives these people into having fate?"Seing people that were struck by disaster comng to church and praising Lord's name, thanking him for all he has bestowed upon them seem unreal.These people are so strong in their faith that nothing can't and nothing will bring them down.Cos God gives hope.Even though i don't belive that ressurection&miracles mumbojumbo, i really belive that this faith in God is something good. I mean it doesn't harm anything to belive, even in that naive way those people do.They feel strong if god is watching&protecting them.They feel save even if God seem to be asleep when their houses dissapear under water.they don't doubt him and they see this as a test coming from him to try their faith.So they don't dissapoint him and keep on beliving.
It was a meaningfull experience to me, that's why i wanted to share it with you folks.
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Svarog
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posted August 22, 2005 03:45 AM |
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The inquisition was a massacre of Muslims by Christians in spain.
The Inquisition was a prosecution of "heretics" by the Catholic Church, in Spain and elsewhere. Meaning, massacre of Christians by other Christians.
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2XtremeToTake
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posted August 22, 2005 04:09 AM |
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Ooo thats what i meant, i my train of thought and my hands were thinking seperately...-_-
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Cannavaro
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posted August 23, 2005 10:39 AM |
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I find it hard do belive in any religon. Here´s a question; The say when you die you come do heaven or hell. We all now that in the ground we have the centre of earth and the heaven is air and stuff.
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DragonMaster
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posted August 23, 2005 10:46 AM |
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I find it hard do belive in any religon. Here´s a question; The say when you die you come do heaven or hell. We all now that in the ground we have the centre of earth and the heaven is air and stuff.
Well, that's why I don't believe in any religion.
We'll notice when we die where we go.
Untill then, I'm not gonna worry about it.
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Cannavaro
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posted August 23, 2005 10:51 AM |
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When we die we´ll dissolve graually. I think it´s hard do attend weddings and funerals ofcourse i am sad but that the priest says mean snow to me. You are sad because of the person you lost and not happy that he is going to a heaven witch not exists.
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DragonMaster
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posted August 23, 2005 10:55 AM |
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Well, I guess the priests know there is no such thing as heaven.
Because they say:'' 'till death do you part''
If there is a heaven, death wouldn't do you part.
So it's all just a big ******* lie to make people think you don't die,
or at least, that it doesn't end there
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