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angelito
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posted April 28, 2008 01:03 AM |
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all 5lv units without magma elementals havae good skill and dmg..but not magma... !
Zealots?
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Versarnwen
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posted April 30, 2008 03:03 AM |
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Whilst Conflux is all shiny and superb my brother pointed out the complete lack of imagination and how it's ridiculous the advantages it has over other castles. I find the graphics of the heroes and the castles to be too out of the original style of Heroes 3, but in terms of castle it's quite amusing to use. The Sprites are a handy little distraction in battles; arrow towers will always attack the Sprites which avoids them wiping out half your, say, your Phoenix's health and since Sprites are mass weekly production creatures it isn't a huge deal if the towers wipe out 50.
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SwampLord
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Lord of the Swamp
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posted April 30, 2008 03:16 AM |
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I personally think it's actually a great idea for a town, and if it was actually made outright instead of a substitute for the Forge town (or whatever it was) it could've been much better.
That said, they could have done a much better job balancing it.
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goodgame
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posted August 14, 2009 09:16 AM |
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And my favourite magic hero, the most underrated one in my opinion - Luna. Against ground units, this babe is killer. I've managed to take down big stacks of monsters early on with her firewall.
I couldn't agree more. Many like Ciele's 50% arrow boost. But Luna's wall is much farther reaching as Ciele's arrow starts at 60, while Luna's wall starts at 80. It cannot be targeted, which can actually be a benefit, but it lasts two rounds. I like to deploy her with only the Fairires/Sprites she comes with.
Luna is popular in China.
Luna can defeat many ground units and many units who can fly.
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Casihasi
Known Hero
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posted August 14, 2009 01:03 PM |
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Conflux is good, but they are not always the strongest..
i wouldnīt ban them from most random templates tbh, only Necro.
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Magusforever
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Black Dragons Rule
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posted August 22, 2009 09:23 PM |
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i mever realy enjoyed Conflux very much. I understand how it could be great but none of the creatures stand out for me. I only really like the Magic and Sotrm elementals. Phoenixes are sweet cause pretty much you get first attack i just dont like them
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Shares
Supreme Hero
I am. Thusly I am.
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posted August 22, 2009 10:44 PM |
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My turn?
Well, for starters they have among the best heroes. Both might and magic. Magic by starting with an elemental magic secondary, and might by moving further and getting higher bonus on specialized creatures. The negative part is that none of them have secondary skill specialty. Even if Magic ele. special is good, offence or armor is far better. On the other hand the creature based special doesn't use up a secondary slot.
As for magic, the bonus of starting with an elemental secondary skill, it's partly negated by magic univerity. The university on the other hand is one of the best team based buildings.
Creatures: Well, for starters, they are all ('cept sprites) resistant to mind abilities and are also resistant to some kinds of magic, but also weak against some.
Lvl 1 - Sprites, high speed and high damage, boosted with no retaliation and high growth. These are one of the most capable lvl 1 creatures, if you don't get them killed all the time, which is easy due to their low hp. 1-3 damage.
lvl 2 - storm elementals Fast and high damage, being the lvl 2 shooter dealing the most damage, 'cept archers, due to high growth. They also have the highest speed and the highest health and also having high att. and def. Propably the best lvl 2 unit. Lightning being it's only weakness, 2-8 damage.
lvl 3 - About equal to storm elementals, but with slightly more health and slightly lower speed. Making them avarage lvl three units. 3-7 damage.
lvl 4 - Energy elementals. Fast and quite durable they make great lvl 4 warrior, able to quickly attack and destroy enemy units. Being slightly worse than most lvl 4, they have higher growth.
lvl 5 - Earth ele. Being quite slow, dealing quite a punch and having health slightly below avarage, making them quite poor tanks, making up for it by always surprising you by surviving and walking longer than you expect. Being slightly worse than average they too have increased growth.
lvl - 6 though having slightly lower life than most lvl 6 they deal high damage without retaliation and dealing damage to all adjascent creature, they become one of the most dangerous lvl 6 creatures. As well as having spell immunity and good speed!
lvl 7 - Fastest of 'em all! hacing low damage and low health doesn't really matter if you have rebirth and double growth. Making them the most sturdy (in numbers), most damage dealing (still in numbers), the fastest and the cheapest (so you can afford the numbers) lvl 7 unit.
Conclusions
lvl 1 - Great! but quite fragile. 4/5
lvl 2 - prolly best lvl 2 shooter 5/5
lvl 3 - ok shooter with high hp 4/5
lvl 4 - below average, but extended growth 4/5
lvl 5 - below average, but extended growth 4/5
lvl 6 - Great! High damage ok hp and speed as well as no retaliation and magic immune 5/5
lvl 7 - High speed, below avarage in other stats but double growth, rebirth and very cheap. 5/5
average rating 4.5/5
That's really high!
As well as having ok team based buildings:
University 4/5, artifact merchant 3/5 and shipyard 2/5
as well as having the best grail.
The conclusion is that after getting great heroes with propably the best armies as well as getting to be good spellcaster without any real effort. They get a 9.5/10, being "a bit" unbalanced.
As for my personal opinion:
I 've played with them sometimes when I just wanna just play. When I want to play fair i.e. against a human: No way!
I also dislike the concept, that they just picked a bunch of already done creatures to get theme... Bah! I'm almost ashamed of it! As well as I prefer an as balanced game as possible, the end rating for me is 2/10.
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angelito
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posted August 23, 2009 08:39 PM |
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How can you call a unit "below average", and then give 4 out of 5?
An average unit gets 5 of 5, and above average gets 6 out of 5 then? 
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Shares
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posted August 23, 2009 08:43 PM |
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By having extended growth, and having protection from mind spells and one element. It's just the stats that's slightly below average.
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Casihasi
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posted August 25, 2009 12:54 AM |
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Fire and earth eles a 4? What is a crusader and a mighty moo in that case, a 9? =P
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pei
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Fresh Air.
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posted August 26, 2009 06:59 PM |
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You can always balance a town, just edit the creatures stats. Dis"unbalance" conflux or just balance it.
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sleepy_dlp
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posted October 17, 2011 02:20 PM |
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hey im a new to this game but i absolutely love it, im just wondering what is a typical build order for conflux...?
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forest001
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posted October 24, 2011 06:17 PM |
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hey im a new to this game but i absolutely love it, im just wondering what is a typical build order for conflux...?
i think you shold play necro... thread necro!
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sleepy_dlp
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posted October 25, 2011 11:50 AM |
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i think you shold play necro... thread necro!
well i gave necro a try, seem strong enuf, i like vampire and lich... but yeh conflux appeal to me much more...but im so clueless about how to play it...
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted October 31, 2011 10:52 AM |
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Conflux is more overpowered than even Necropolis and doesn't require any serious skills. Get the Pixies upgraded to Sprites ASAP, split them in 2-3 stacks and you'll be able to kill most of the low level neutrals by outwating them. Cheap and easy. Then go all the way up to the Fire Birds. Once you're there, the opponent will hardly be able to do anything. You get to cast a spell first, the last 4 creatures are immune to fire (two of them need to be upgraded though) so you can employ Armageddon bombardment if you have the spell much easier than with any other faction and you'll probably be able to attack strong neutrals guarding artefacts and access Utopias earlier than the other factions. In short - a noobs' faction.
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Salamandre
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Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted October 31, 2011 11:22 AM |
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It is a good town for multiplayer and if no rules at all. In single, it is an awful town, the various immunities are hard to handle when coming to keep all army alive.
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fank0
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There are no limits
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posted November 01, 2011 09:08 AM |
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Conflux is a good town in both multiplayer and single player. It is very hard to defeat Flux on SOD, maybe only Necro with necromancy allowed really stand a reasonable chance on big maps.
Conflux has a lightning start with sprites and lvl 7 are easy to obtain and come in great numbers. Sprites with Grindan and slow can defeat almost any walker if played properly, so you just need to choose your battles carefully. You don't need to make Grindan your main hero, just lvl him up a bit till expert earth, got spellpower and knowledge increased from arties and/or map locations and let him do the early battles the other heroes can't. Later with birds there is really very little that can stop you, provided you already have a beastmaster or a barbarian developed (magic university, so whatever magic you need is guaranteed).
On TE/WT version Flux is also a very strong town, best heroes being Monere and Lacus. I personally like Lacus because of his advanced tactics from start that allowes you to easily annihilate shooters without losing pixies. Flux also easily defeats crypts, treasuries, imp caches, walking guards first week as army is fast and deals good damage. Flux easily builds firebirds week one on most maps and has excellent army for fighting conservatories and hives early week 2 (small ones can be fought week 1). Plainswalkers also develop pretty well, getting desirable skills.
In single player it does not really matter what you do, since pc playes very poorly.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted November 01, 2011 10:21 AM |
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When I say single player, I have in mind custom maps, not templates where you can win with 4 phoenix all along. Against hard boosted CP you will lose all level 2-6 creatures because you can't resurrect them. That's why I would call it catastrophic town for custom maps.
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SkeleTony
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posted November 04, 2011 02:22 AM |
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Everyone is invited to share his own opinion about every town in Heroes 3. Try to use these topics as order for your postings:
- Advantages, Disadvantages
Advantages:
The advantages are that creature generation/growth is greater than any other town and pretty cheap(you can have firebirds, if not pheonixes before anyone else is generating 7th level units and kicking out 4 per week), the Magic University(can guarantee getting the all important Earth magic and Air magic skills(and water for some but I avoid Fire magic almost as much as I avoid Eagle Eye). And Conflux does not produce Ammo carts as it's seige engine. Storm Elementals are very good 2nd level ranged units. Sprites are vampire lord bait though.
Disadvantages
Not really a disadvantage but the fact that this was a very poor town execution that was rushed out the door due to silly teenagers at the Astral Wizard site lacking imagination, so we get things like Pixies as an 'elemental' creature and the very contrived 'Fire elemental => 'Energy Elemental' stuff(And why don't Magma elementals get fire powers?). I cannot think of many actual disads.
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- Best creature(s), with explanation why, e.g tactical usefullness
Pheonixes because they are the second fastest 7th level town unit, have a breath attack, grow faster than all other 7th level units and resurrect(only really handy if you had a lot and were using them to cut off ranged attackers). Magic elementals, though a corny, forced idea, are pretty powerful and can't be 'implosion'-ed, blinded, slowed etc. which more than makes up for not being able to haste, bless, stone skin etc. And they attack all creatures adjacent to them when they attack.
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- Worst creature(s), with explanation why, e.g too low stats..
I am going to say Water elementals(Ice upgrade improves their usefulness a little) since they are seemingly overpriced I think and not too resilient(and slow). I tend to leave them with the earth/magmas to defend towns if I capture a Conflux in a random mapI would never choose to play them as that is kind of cheating...using an exploit as it were).
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- Special buildings
Magic university is decent I guess.
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- Building order (good, too slow....etc..)
Too fast if anything...again pretty much a cheat using them.
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- Hero classes (donīt refer these classes ONLY to this specific town, but perhaps they are more usefull with other towns)
Don't remember much about these...
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- Good / Bad on what kind of maps
- OWN subjective rank in a townranking, from 1st (best) to 9th (worst)
1st in overall usefulness on maps where you can attack and eliminate enemies before they can build everything. Maybe somewhat less on some XL maps. 9th in terms of design and testing before release.
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angelito
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proud father of a princess
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posted November 04, 2011 09:35 AM |
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I think you may have some "facts" or "opinions" listed, which doesn't seem to be very accurate.
- Phoenix isn't the second fastest town unit...it is the fastest
- Firebirds won't be the first level 7 unit built...I am pretty sure, Behemots are built much earlier.
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