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posted October 28, 2007 11:46 AM |
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D- While there are many religions the most widespread were the ones promoted through killing people which brings us to an interesting conclusion that basicly says if a religion came to power through fear it will stay there through fear, first fear of death and then fear of the unknown
Just to put some things straight
Christianity was spread over 60-70% of Roman Empire population before emperor Constantine made it legal to be a christian.
After then christianity became state religion, and a century later Theodosius delegalized other religions, which indeed was absurd. Romans adopted christianity as a consequence of religious beliefs of their citizens.
The early barbaric kingdoms adopted christianity to become more like Romans, which was one their goals. And later other european barbaric tribes adopted it in order to be significant in Europe. The minorities remaining pagan were discrimined, yet rarely attacked (until inquisition).
The crusades were not meant to christianize muslims, but to get rid of them from Palestine. That was not spreading christianity at all.
Then, in reinassance and later, Europeans took their religion to colonized continents with them. It was natural for colonists to retain their faith, and natives were mainly exterminated, so there was noone left to be christianized  . Some natives, of course, adopted christianity and european culture to some degree, and these were spared.
The only religion which fills your description to some degree is Islam. It was spread by conquest during Great Jihad in 7/8th century, but again many people (especially in Egypt) welcomed arabs as liberators rather than conquerors, and adopted their religion out of their own will.
As I can agree with you that there are people who will wage wars and exterminate other people for sake of their religion, but this is not meant to spread it. It is just another explanation why a particular war and genocide is beneficial. If there was no religion, such people would just have to think a bit more about giving acceptable reasons for their actions . And, unortunatelly, they would find them.
It's not the religion that kills, it's the human lust for blood, which most people affected want to have reason for.
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posted October 28, 2007 12:07 PM |
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Believe in God. Otherwise you will have no chance of coming to heaven. Build your house on the Rock, and the gates of Hades shall not overcome you. You must get baptised in Christ's Only Apostolic Catholic Church as soon as possible, you can die tomorrow.
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posted October 28, 2007 01:06 PM |
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Very enlightening executor.
I agree with the remark about some people hailing muslims as saviors. That was one of the better times for the jews.
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posted October 28, 2007 02:52 PM |
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Believe in God. Otherwise you will have no chance of coming to heaven. Build your house on the Rock, and the gates of Hades shall not overcome you. You must get baptised in Christ's Only Apostolic Catholic Church as soon as possible, you can die tomorrow.
Thank you for that enlightening information! I think I'll go do that now! 
Seriously, though, what do you have to back up your beliefs?
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ZanJerusalem
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posted October 28, 2007 05:37 PM |
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The bible (see my other thread)
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posted October 28, 2007 05:37 PM |
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Hmm? I so wished ive been on this tread from the start.. It looks so good.. but SO LONG!!
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posted October 28, 2007 07:07 PM |
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Mytical, you don't believe in the evolution theory ?
Well, if you cannot even believe this, where is the world going? Are you from a sect?
I don't know, but how would you live in a country where 40% of the population do not believe in god and where almost most of the pacts between persons are not done trought churches ?
(P.S. could anybody tell me where is my only post in that topic ?)
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posted October 28, 2007 08:11 PM |
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Edited by Spectrum at 20:13, 28 Oct 2007.
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Just on a side note...
Thank you TA, and everybody who's contributed to this thread. I used it as material when I had to teach religion to some little kids. It was like a class project, everyone taught one lesson to primairy pupils during the week of the project. I got religion and this is somewhat how it went:
Me: Right, kids. Today we'll talk about christian faith. Tell me why you believe in God. (I got this extremely lame opening line from the teacher who assigned me to this task. God knows I'd shoot myself if my religion teacher opened a lesson like that.)
Annoying kid #1: Well I don't.
Me: I see. Well, why not?
Annoying kid #1: Because it's obviously bull****.
Me: Now now, let's not swear. Why would you say that?
Annoying kid #1: Because my dad says so.
Me: Oh for the love of... Why do you even do religion, anyway?
Annoying kid#1: Cause my mum says I have to.
At this point I was getting fed up with Annoying kid #1 and sat him down in front of the computer, opened this thread and said "Read.".
And then I had a nice chat about God with Annoying kids #2, #3, #4 and #5.
Right. Sorry about the spam...
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posted October 28, 2007 10:22 PM |
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That was fun. ZJ, since the other thread is closed, lets pick up here. Its your move.
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posted October 28, 2007 10:33 PM |
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I disagree, and so would most homosexuals. Thus you turn gay people away from god with this.
If they sodomise, they commit a sin. They need to confess that in a Church.
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It is illegal for some. Thus it is illegal in heaven.
Only if His Holiness the Pope says so, for he is infallible.
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Um, Harry Potter? Tom Sawyer? Dracula? I like all these books, all of which have been made illegal in some places, thus they are illegal in heaven.
Perhaps not Dracula, but the rest are okay. His Holiness is not a Protestant fanatic.
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We only just noticed evolution and genetics a few centuries ago, we haven't had time to see it in action.
As I already proved, it is a fairytale.
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posted October 28, 2007 10:35 PM |
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Wait, proved? Explain your proof again.
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posted October 28, 2007 11:09 PM |
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Evolution is not backed buy anything other than a bunch of drunken “scientists” who don’t know what they are talking about. Evolution is ridiculous, and impossible.
I could say, "All priests are child molesters." That wouldn't be true for the vast majority of priests. Scientists have the fossil record and genetic evidence to back up what they're saying.
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Think of it like this: If an animal mates with another animal not of its exact species, the result will be a sterile creature. Because of this evolution is impossible.
That's why animals don't mate with animals not of its exact species. Individuals of any species are slightly different. If the individuals with those particular traits mate with each other, and their offspring mate with others with similar traits, and so on for numerous generations, the small mutations will cause a different species.
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posted October 28, 2007 11:11 PM |
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"All priests are child molesters."
have you being copying south park
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posted October 28, 2007 11:21 PM |
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I saw your other thread jerusalem,and yes here is a lot of atheist ppl,of course this is not the right forum to speak of that,cos mostly of the nerds are atheist,so and that in one point of this century the ppl will "See" rare these kind of persons who believe,i cant imagine in the next 20 years how the world would be,sure a chaos if we talk about this,but i dont care and i will defend in what i believe and in my morale and thoughts.The parents have mostly of the fault too,remember and much more now,pfffft many of the persons here never ever read the bible in his/her life,at least for curiosity,but well,they just have their faith in the scientist,i dont say that is bad but believe them 100% is a mistake.
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posted October 28, 2007 11:22 PM |
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"All priests are child molesters."
have you being copying south park
No, I've never watched it.
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We have not observed a single beneficial mutation since time began.
Umm... Yes, we have.
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posted October 28, 2007 11:45 PM |
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We have not observed a single beneficial mutation since time began.
Explain how some instances of bacteria within a species develop immunity towards antibiotics. Then, explain why this phenomenon would not apply to other life forms.
Or just tells us that it isn't true that bacteria found in hospitals are, due to frequent disinfection, highly resistant towards most means of it? I'm sure we'd all appreciate the laugh.
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posted October 29, 2007 01:14 AM |
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Lynxes and Cats must have a common ancestor....man and ape must have a common ancestor...birds and dogs must have a common ancestor...bats and whales must have a common ancestor. Of course none of these common ancestors have been found or will ever be.
All of the animals you mentioned do have common ancestors. Most of these common ancestors have been found. Of course, the ancestor of man and ape looked more like an ape than a man, the ancestor of birds and dogs looked like neither (it was a reptile), and the ancestor of bats and whales, as well as that of all mammals, is a small, shrew-like creature. The fossils of all of these animals have been found.
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Okay so 500 000 years before Christ, one Homo erectus suddenly became humans of some reason and she made children even if that is impossible as those children should have become sterile, and suddenly they wipe out the other semi-humans even if they should outnumber them more than 15000 0000 to 1 and then they take over the whole planet but of some reason they wait until 6000 years before Christ to become civilised (Sumerians) even if they where exactly as intelligent as those born 500 000 years ago.
There are so many things wrong with your interpretation, I don't know where to begin.
1. Change is gradual. You can't point your finger at any offspring of any parent and say, "Aha! These are different species!" The change takes many generations until species seperate.
2. Homo sapiens was obviously more adept at the same niche that all of the other "semi-humans" were. They competed for the same food and resources, and Homo sapiens won. They didn't have to hunt the others down (although I'm not saying that they didn't). They were just more effective at getting food and they made better tools. Thus, they were able to survive better and so did their children. The "semi-humans" couldn't compete.
3. It takes more than intelligence to create civilization. It takes a large group of people and abundant resources. If Albert Einstein was born a caveman, chances are he couldn't have done much. Sumeria was the first civilization, although there are a few older cities, if I'm not mistaken. And they didn't become civilized "all of a sudden". It was a gradual process.
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posted October 29, 2007 09:55 AM |
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Mytical, you don't believe in the evolution theory?
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they just have their faith in the scientist
Please, science is not a matter of faith; you do not believe in science.
This comic strip says much more about how I feel than I could possible express with a thousand words.
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posted October 29, 2007 10:58 AM |
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Hilarious but also so true. Sadly U.S.A. is one of the most conservative countries in the world.
Why do religious people often mix science with faith?
They are two totally different things.
They can co-exist peacefully.
At least in most cases.
Is it because they fear that science will replace religion?
That will be the case if majority of people see religion as zealots and pope.
Marx will be right.
Religion is the opium of the people.
Why haven't we seen zealots of far-eastern religion marching against science?
They don't have the fear that their religion will die out because of science.
They don't have to be because they aren't threatened by it.
They aren't threatened by it because they don't challenge it.
Why do middle-eastern religions challenge it when it will lead to their own defeat?
I think it's because far-eastern religions are more philosophical than the middle-eastern ones.
In far-east the philosophical side of religion became dominant over time while the middle-eastern religions headed just the opposite direction.
One could say it's because of the one god idea and the forbidding of other religions that will eventually cause the downfall of christianity ,islam and their modifications.
Unless the change to more of a supporting than leading role that has already begun in some places like Scandinavia or Germany will pull through widely.
Only time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell.
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posted October 29, 2007 12:52 PM |
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The Abrahamic religions say, "Thou shalt not." The Far Eastern religions say,, "Thou should not." Thus, they have less to lose.
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