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Frick
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posted February 12, 2008 03:11 PM
Edited by Frick at 15:12, 12 Feb 2008.

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think about it,chrisnity,along with muslim and judaism,is a very ,very,how to say? Hypocriticle system.



Very, very true. As a christian, I should know. The lot of us say one thing and do something completely different. We quote the Bible and then do the opposite. Which is really bad.

But the problem is not the Bible itself. There are tons of great ideas in there, but most christians (at least here in Sweden) just don't care about them and just do whatever they want anyway, ignore it or simply explain it away ("well, I don't really beleive in THAT part, but this part over here is pretty ok"). The problems are, as always, humans.

Oh, BTW, christianity is pretty much a sequel to judaism.
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posted February 12, 2008 03:16 PM

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1). Its only a theory, not a fact

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When i said that god is just a theroy not a fact you went head in head vs me,but you have no problam thinking what you think is just a theory.


now you are acting like innocent,when you were the first in trow the bomb.

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how much wars had eurputed becouse of religion,how much civlazitions destoryed becouse they faced religouse scarlige..


ooh yes a lot,millions of civilizations were destroyed,what a disaster...please


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and I will say this last time for you,becouse you seem do not want to listen..


I think YOU dont want to listen,i listened you enough even it was only for provoke me.

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IM DYSGRAPHIC , my typos are becouse of a disorder,i told you this before and you wont listen .


heh..disorder that explains it.

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posted February 12, 2008 03:21 PM

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how much wars had eurputed becouse of religion,how much civlazitions destoryed becouse they faced religouse scarlige..


ooh yes a lot,millions of civilizations were destroyed,what a disaster...please



This is just something I must ask about:

Are you being sarcastic? If yes, why isn't it horrible that millions have died because of religious "concerns"?
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posted February 12, 2008 03:27 PM

I repeat myself

Gallow

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posted February 12, 2008 03:31 PM

Group hug!
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posted February 12, 2008 03:32 PM

Please keep your comments ontopic and refrain from provoking other members. As it says in the CoC

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1) NO insults, abuse, racism or sexism.
Insult is a remark that undermines another person. A simple way to avoid insulting people is to discuss their actions and opinions rather than their personality. For example: instead of saying who they are ("you suck" or "you are an idiot") say what you think about their opinions/actions and why ("Your post about me is wrong because I never said that heroes 4 is a bad game" or "I disagree with your opinion because centaurs have more hit points than gnolls"). This simple rephrasing strategy can resolve many conflicts and fights before they even happen, both online and in life.


Repeatedly addressing each other in the manner that you all have been does nothing but derail the thread and turn it into something it doesn't need to be.

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antipaladin
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posted February 12, 2008 03:53 PM

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ooh yes a lot,millions of civilizations were destroyed,what a disaster...please


you dont ever think about all the lost coltures,and religions and intersting stuff the world could have without religion? Dont want to think what would if the maso-american coltures would not becoume christian,and if christian wouldnt sack those intersting lands,how would maxico look now,as the capital of maian or aztacian or inkaian coltures? Conflicts like in israel,Kosovo,and whatsnot would not had been aroses!

p.s. you typos are much worse then mine,and just becouse you do not have any disorder that keeps from making them,you have no excuses,exept for ignorance and lazyness and for that i pity you.who are you to judge me and my disorder?

Are you perfect? Mr. Zealuse = jelouse.

@Pand,the point is i dont mean to insult,i mean to explain,he means to insult.


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posted February 12, 2008 04:10 PM

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Gallow...


do you need a hug?

I LOVE YOU!!That was awesome. I guess you're the only one who really understands him.
And well no need to say that Pandora is right. However I guess you must see how it is kind of difficult to remain clam with certain comments flying through here. I shall restrain myself... no matter how ridicolous and prepostrous some claims may (and will) be.
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posted February 12, 2008 04:31 PM - penalty applied by angelito on 12 Feb 2008.

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ooh yes a lot,millions of civilizations were destroyed,what a disaster...please



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p.s. you typos are much worse then mine,and just becouse you do not have any disorder that keeps from making them,you have no excuses,exept for ignorance and lazyness and for that i pity you.who are you to judge me and my disorder?

Are you perfect? Mr. Zealuse = jelouse.


thats was an childish commentarie we all know here that your typo its unredeable,then WHO ARE YOU to come and mention me like a ******* example ?i was defending myself for god´s sake can you stop please? i didnt like anything that you said in the page 94,i think you should have been thinking the consequences,insolent

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@Pand,the point is i dont mean to insult,i mean to explain,he means to insult.


Sorry but you deliberatly did it insult indirectly and calling my attention.

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posted February 12, 2008 04:51 PM - penalty applied by angelito on 12 Feb 2008.

So if i just said that my opinion is that GOD DONT EXIST,and that that fiction you call god is a bounch of bollony that insulting you? then i say that saying for god's sake is insulting for my atheisticle belifes. how is ur better?

my typos might be unreadbull,but thats not my fault. while your typos are also unreadbull,and your ignorance is much worse.i just try to discuss things with you and u dont even qoute the right stuff

@monnolith,i should take my own advise
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posted February 12, 2008 05:01 PM

I gave a warning about offtopic bashing between gallow and antipaladin. None of you decided to listen. There is your present.

Any further ongoing bashing will result in another penalty without warning.
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posted February 12, 2008 05:34 PM

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Gallow...


do you need a hug?

I LOVE YOU!!That was awesome. I guess you're the only one who really understands him.



I don't!

all I see is a person who is angry and upset with something, and I do my best to help them. Though I might be a a$$hole sometimes, I believe myself to be a humanitarian, so i do my best to help my fellow man.
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posted February 12, 2008 05:41 PM
Edited by Orodruin at 19:48, 12 Feb 2008.

Hey Guys, name's Ítalo, I'm new at this thread and would like to add a few comments about the theme. You know, I study Biology at an University in Brazil, my country is mostly catholic and it's difficult to talk to people here about it if you're from a different line of thought. I do not have Ieva as a God, but I'm not exactly atheist, for I consider lots of possibilities, but in my opinion when you want to believe something you should at least have a purpose, most people I know just think that saying "I AM CHRISTIAN" is enough to have others understand that he or she is religious and virtuous.
I do not believe in science blindly, reason and imagination (creativity) are not to be forgotten. We must have in mind that, as humans, mere dust in the universe, we're not the ones to set truth 100% assured of it, balance between what we want to believe and what is really a fact is needed in order to achieve wisdom and know yourself better. That's my message.
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antipaladin
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posted February 12, 2008 06:07 PM

All fair in love and war,i deserved it. but atleast i got my point though. I guess everyone get a panlity in this thread once or twice.

Tell me ceffius.,how do you regrat religions about Taoism and buddhaism
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Celfious
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posted February 12, 2008 07:27 PM

I'm starting to think everyone is entitled to their beliefe, as I may not have expressed in past posts. I am always changing, sometimes rapidly.

Why I just realized that I have 5 black socks that are all different. How in the world does this happen? I believe it happens to everyone and its mystical. It doesnt make me believe in god but it is quite mystical.
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posted February 12, 2008 09:26 PM

Advice to everone in this thread:

Don't argue with idiots. They'll only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.


Back on topic,
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I'm starting to think everyone is entitled to their beliefe
So you used to think that not everyone is entitled to their beliefs?
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posted February 13, 2008 12:40 AM
Edited by Celfious at 01:00, 13 Feb 2008.

I kind of did but my previous posts may have signified otherwise. What matters is where I am at today, and where I'll be tommorow. I pushed my God against athiests, my bad.. Atleast I am not a ***** thumper saying your gonna go to hell. My beliefs dont specify who is or who isnt going to "the prommised lands" or "heaven". So maybe we'll chat in Rrl one day (real real life) and play kick *** video games with our mind powers.
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posted February 13, 2008 10:13 AM
Edited by TitaniumAlloy at 10:27, 13 Feb 2008.

Evolution:

@ Gallow on Evolution (continued)



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No,we live in the same earth,ground,its impossible to be so much diversity,that its the proof of creation,many different species created by god.

The ground doesn't really make much difference. Besides, it's not the same ground or earth throughout the world.
How can you honestly say that there is not so much diversity in the environments in the world?





Vastly different landscapes like these can be found merely in one continent such as Australia... imagine the diversity over the entire world.

Remember it is environmental like temperature, shelter and water availability that affect natural selection... the diversity of these factors throughout the world is incredible.
Lack of environmental diversity isn't really a proof of anything.


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Some are,the majority and i meant not extreme physically changes,but yes in color/skin/hair and better adaptation yes,but not in bones or something that its very extreme.

So you believe in evolution, but not in extreme cases?
This is interesting.
Remember better adaptation over generations IS evolution so you are basically admitting to it.
Just extend this over time and you have changes in bone structure.

I notice you don't have a problem with natural selection (better adaptation as you put it), but you have a problem with changes in bone structure. However in artificial selection, such as the breeding of dogs and horses, you can clearly see vast changes in bone structure.
The only difference is that these changes happen over a much shorter time (and artificial selection is towards a goal).

Remember all dogs were bred through artificial selection into the many different sub species that we have today.
Breed the biggest dog, kill the smallest dog. It doesn't matter whether this is done by a human breeder or by nature (if smaller dogs are selected against), over many generations the dog population will become bigger through genetic changes. It's the same principle, natural/articifial.

This is proof that selection can cause changes in bone structure.
It is amazing, I find it incredible, but it is not impossible. Not by a long shot.


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I know perfectly what means...dont act like teacher now,evolution has big holes and its weak theory.

You state this but you don't support it at all.
Can you give me, say... one reason to think that evolution is a weak theory?

I mean, I could say GOD DOESN'T EXIST QED but it wouldn't make for a very good discussion if I don't say why.


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They didnt cahnge physically,but resistant to the poison only,and they are rats,different from human,again evolution is not great physical changes.(like 8 legs or whatever)

They have changed genetically.
Genetic changes can be expressed either physically or behaviorally or passively it doesn't matter, the theory is exactly the same.

Any kind of change to the genetic structure of a population, passed throughout generations, IS evolution!













@Orodruin:
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Hey Guys, name's Ítalo, I'm new at this thread and would like to add a few comments about the theme. You know, I study Biology at an University in Brazil, my country is mostly catholic and it's difficult to talk to people here about it if you're from a different line of thought. I do not have Ieva as a God, but I'm not exactly atheist, for I consider lots of possibilities, but in my opinion when you want to believe something you should at least have a purpose, most people I know just think that saying "I AM CHRISTIAN" is enough to have others understand that he or she is religious and virtuous.

Welcome Ítalo.
That is interesting that you study Biology at University, that's what I'm hoping to get into next year.

As for saying "I AM CHRISTIAN", the most important thing is that people seem to think that this will put them firmly in heaven and as such can have peace of mind.
To be honest I find the whole heaven/hell thing as fantastical and imaginative as Heroes.

And it is very well suited to a "universal" human psyche.
Obviously. (I don't mean to let the words get in the way of common sense here...)
I mean who doesn't want eternal life in paradise? A play on the ultimate reward and people's fear of death. But if reward isn't enough, there's also punishment: eternal suffering in hell. A nice contrast of the ultimate reward next to the ultimate punishment.

It's like Elementary School all over again.
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bixie
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posted February 13, 2008 03:14 PM

has anyone thought of what would be the hell for masochists?
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posted February 13, 2008 03:35 PM

Yes, Heaven.

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