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Nirual
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posted November 05, 2007 09:36 PM |
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(Btw. this addiction thing is nonsense. WoW is fantastic even if you only spend two-three hours a day on it)
unfortunately, 2-3 hours a day will get you nowhere in the so-called endgame (Level 70). And those who get addicted to the game can reach that in a couple of days. That's not to say it's impossible to play the game without getting addicted, but some people I know definitely suffer from that. Like everyone that is still in my former guild, with a few exceptions. They are one of the top alliance guilds on their server, but that's pretty much all they do.
And yes, the lore is pretty good. Unfortunately, that too becomes less and less important. How many people you think still read the questlogs? Or the books that lie around in all sorts of places (not in the expansion, though).
That said, I know what you mean. I was amazed by the game when I started playing it, too. However, a few weeks into the endgame and I lost that feeling.
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Lich_King
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posted November 05, 2007 10:12 PM |
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There isn't a better game, or a better story. I hope the Light can help us to save the Blood elves from the unholy Horde and their magic addiction. I ADORE Blood elven Architecture, I wish they could come back to the Alliance, they would be a great help against the Horde and the Scourge.
I would like to be able to ally with the Scarlet Crusade too, don’t see what’s so wrong with them…
Light bless the Alliance and help us fight evil!
(Btw. this addiction thing is nonsense. WoW is fantastic even if you only spend two-three hours a day on it)
Please keep your religious fanatism elswhere, when you appearently know almost nothing about the lore of the game.
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ZanJerusalem
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posted November 05, 2007 10:27 PM |
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Please keep your religious fanatism elswhere, when you appearently know almost nothing about the lore of the game.
I know a good deal about the lore of the game. I have played Warcraft III and Frozen Throne.
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Lich_King
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posted November 06, 2007 12:17 AM |
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uh huh...
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There isn't a better game, or a better story. I hope the Light can help us to save the Blood elves from the unholy Horde and their magic addiction. I ADORE Blood elven Architecture, I wish they could come back to the Alliance, they would be a great help against the Horde and the Scourge.
I would like to be able to ally with the Scarlet Crusade too, don’t see what’s so wrong with them…
/nerd more on
> Well basicly, Blood elves do no longer have faith in light, but they still use it, however they have enslaved it to their own will and their own purpose and basicly not care about any of the morality.
> Magic addiction is not curable as it is present since that well of eternity was present (and it was way before the current wow events).
> Horde is not evil, while orcs and trolls had dark history, majority of their people are just neutral, and some evil (same percentage as the other races really). And since when evil people value honor ?
> Tauren probably less "evil" than majority of dwarves or humans, as they hold mentality equal to the night elves.
> Forsaken are just misunderstood, and were undead against their will so that does not make them an evil race.
> And Scarlet crusade is a group of fanatical people who are blind to the fact they are lead by a dreadlord, and use the stereotypical "you're not with us, then you're against us" and "OMG you're infected by undeath, kill kill" complex.
./Nerd mode off
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nikolo
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posted November 06, 2007 12:30 PM |
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zomg, @ blood elf allie xD :
http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/1
here you might find your self 
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Mytical
Responsible
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted November 06, 2007 12:53 PM |
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I actually found the Tauren more noble then any of the Allience. Am biased though since I am native american and they resemble that (though not totally). And as Lich_king said not everything is black and white with Horde and Allience. Orcs fought because they had no choice, the undead were made so against their will, and various other things
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nikolo
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posted November 06, 2007 01:09 PM |
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ofc mate
but you cant deny that the Horde stands for "bad guys" and Alliance stands for "noob/good guys"
ofc that its not b/w, like in every war, but basic are obvious. the decisions of one faction made other do nothing else but to engage in war with it (forgive me im the lore-nub, but i get the whole picture), and that is how it goes. the aliance sees horde as bad guys and vice versa. since im human, i consider them bad to keke ))))))
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ZanJerusalem
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posted November 06, 2007 04:01 PM |
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> Well basicly, Blood elves do no longer have faith in light, but they still use it, however they have enslaved it to their own will and their own purpose and basicly not care about any of the morality.
Not the priests! Well that's individual on a RP server, but the priests use the powers given to them directly by the light, only the Blood knights have stolen them from M'uru.
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> Magic addiction is not curable as it is present since that well of eternity was present (and it was way before the current wow events).
With water from the well of eternity or if Anveena Teague would like to be restored as the sunwell.
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> Horde is not evil, while orcs and trolls had dark history, majority of their people are just neutral, and some evil (same percentage as the other races really). And since when evil people value honor ?
No they are not evil, they are neutral. They have some faults and they do some good works too.
What I said was that they are unholy. All of them are infidels, except the Silvermoon Church of Light. Orcs and Trolls serve ghosts, Tauren serve nature, the Forsaken serve the Shadow as opposed to the light. Their societies are brutal, Orcs are barbaric and have slaves (peons), Trolls still favour cannibalism and voodoo, Tauren are petty okay except the grimtotem, The queen of the Forsaken, Sylvanas, is very bitter and has ordered her apothecaries to create a new plague, Blood elves live in a totalitarian propaganda-sate.
Unholy is not equal to evil.
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> Tauren probably less "evil" than majority of dwarves or humans, as they hold mentality equal to the night elves.
I agree. The Tauren are a very noble race. They are not without flaws however, the Grimtotem clan, leaded by a high-ranking tauren is probably allied to the Scourge.
I don't like Night elves. They are unforgiving and selfish and many of them seem to suffer from a great deal of paranoia. Also I don't like people who "serve nature" and that many Night elven hunters seem to be 12-year old legolaxxes even on RP servers.
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> Forsaken are just misunderstood, and were undead against their will so that does not make them an evil race.
No they are not evil. No race is purely evil. It's just that Sylvanas is even more bitter than Steward Denethor from LotR and their plague experiments and worshipping the shadow. I like their future Northrend architecture, however.
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> And Scarlet crusade is a group of fanatical people who are blind to the fact they are lead by a dreadlord, and use the stereotypical "you're not with us, then you're against us" and "OMG you're infected by undeath, kill kill" complex.
Honestly I don't see why we should try to kill them more tahn, let's say, Ravenholt or Steamwheedle Cartel. I don't get what's exactly so wrong with them, they protect Lordareons farmers and cities and they all believe in the Light. Only example of torture I have seen was against Forsaken. I would like to at least have reputation to this very interesting faction.
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Lich_King
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posted November 06, 2007 10:29 PM |
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Not the priests! Well that's individual on a RP server, but the priests use the powers given to them directly by the light, only the Blood knights have stolen them from M'uru.
But then Forsaken are also priests and can be holy ones, do they serve a good cause ? not entierly, priest abilities come from the devotion and prayers, however it might not be specifically light, it can be anything: Shadow, Holy Light, Elune, Loa gods.
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With water from the well of eternity or if Anveena Teague would like to be restored as the sunwell.
If Kaelthas won't use all the remaining Sunwell to summon Kil'jaden, as he already made those preparations.
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Nirual
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posted November 07, 2007 12:29 AM |
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I would like to at least have reputation to this very interesting faction.
Yes, just what the game needs. More reputation grinds. FYI, some members of the Scarlet Crusade have deserted to the Argent Dawn and offer quests at Light's Hope Chapel. Incredibly boring grind quests. That patch was one of the biggest disappointments for me. Silithus at least had some interesting normal quests before it boiled down to mindess grinding. I left shortly afterwards, and only returned for like 2-3 months of rather casual gaming in the expansion before it became stale again.
Not even sure if I'll do the same deal with the second expansion. They damn better implement some fun stuff.
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nikolo
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posted November 07, 2007 08:44 AM |
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Not even sure if I'll do the same deal with the second expansion. They damn better implement some fun stuff.
Well, there will be the world PVP zone, that might be interesting. It includes siege weapons and destructive buildings. Sounds cool to meh.
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Nirual
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posted November 07, 2007 06:05 PM |
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Not even sure if I'll do the same deal with the second expansion. They damn better implement some fun stuff.
Well, there will be the world PVP zone, that might be interesting. It includes siege weapons and destructive buildings. Sounds cool to meh.
They tried PvP zones before and they all suffer from either lack of people caring about it, or there is no sense of achievement since the objects change sides way too fast (Hellfire Peninsula).
Besides, PvP is crappy if you don't have a few people with you who know how to teamplay. I had a lot of fun in WSG with 2-3 friends for a while, mostly because a few people focusing on the flag decides a match in a public game. Could also be related to the fact that I was playing a rogue with engineering, though... my usual healer-inclined characters get killed too often to be enjoyable.
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xerox
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posted November 07, 2007 09:34 PM |
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Some Blood Elf Priests really worship the light but the most doesnt, the Light is just power for them.
Its very possible that many Priests drain energies from M'uru too.
And i think that M'uru wants to be imprisoned their so he can spread the light, maybe he thinks he can cure their hunger for magic in the end.
Anveena IS the Sunwell.
The Blood Elfs want to restore the Sunwell as their is a chance that their thrist for magic would disappear then.
After all it began when the sunwell was destroyed/corrupted.
Kael'thas is going to use energies from the Mana Forges in the Netherstorm, fel energies and his vials of Eternity to summon Kil'jeaden from the Sunwell.
The Sunwell Plateru is comming i patch 2.4, there will be a 5 and 25-man.
But Alliance and Horde is good as they are against the evils of the world.
And both are friends, they are not archenemies.
Look at the events of Gates of Anh'Qiraji , Wc3 and WotLK.
However the Horde are fewer and have a much sader story than the Alliance.
1. The once corrupted Orcs were forced to fight for the Burning Legion, after the Alliance won the war they were almost exterminated.
2. The Tauren were almost exterminated by hordes of Centaur, but the Orcs saved them.
3. The Trolls island sunk into the oceans and they were constantly attacked by the forces of the Sea Witch.
Again the orcs saved them in the last minute.
4. Many Forsaken were once Scourge and many of them has been raised by other Forsaken so they dont are raised by the Scourge.
Their are more Forsaken than all the other races of the Horde and now when Lordaeon almost is under control their numbers grow.
Now they are ready to release their own plauge against the Lich King and his Scourge in Northrend.
5. Only like 10% of the Blood Elven race survived the invasion of Quel'thalas. When the Sunwell was destroyed they began to thirst after magic and used demonic energies to feed themself.
Their prince has betraýded them and allied with the burning legion.
What do you mean with unholy
The Blood Elves do what they must to survive, as the most Horde races.
And Orcs and Trolls serve ghost?
Many orcs serve the spirits, the elementals while others have begun to use demonic energies again.
Orcs are not evil or bad, they do what they must to survive althougt they could atleast TRY to talk with the Night Elves and stop chopping down their beloved forest.
Taurens are the most peaceful race in Azeroth, they are allied with the Horde because the Horde saved them and Cairne have a good relation with warchief Thrall.
They strongly belive in the Earthmother, mother nature, the elementals and their ancestors to guide them.
Recently they have begun to use ancient rune magic and Mal'furion has learned them druidic arts.
Trolls stopped Voodo etc when they joined the Horde.
Now they are the fastest growing race (maybe except forsaken) of the Horde.
And yes some Orcs may be a bit barabaric, but most of them just fight in arenas and are warriors so they can control the rage.
And the slavery has stopped i think, i think that Peons are getting paid now when wise Thrall leads the orcs.
Sylvanas still have love for Quel'Thalas and HATES Arthas for what he did to her. Her own new plauge is AGAINST the Scourge, not against all races. Sylvanas may be a bit "angry" all the time but she is no way evil.
The Grimtotem is not allied with the Horde only with the forsaken Royal Apothecary Society, but Sylvánas doesnt know this and all those are not allied with the Grimtotem.
Night Elves, selfish?
Seriously, they SACRIFICED their land, lots of their orginal traditons, much of their pride and their immoratlity.
Is that selvish?
They are still a proud race who only has joined the Alliance because they are in desperate need of help.
And if you meant that they hate orcs that isnt strange...
1. The Orcs have tracks of demonic energies/blood in them.
Night Elves hate the Burning legion more than anything else.
2. Many of the Warsong Clan even became MORE demonic.
3. They killed their super beloved demigod Cenarius.
4. They cut down their already threated (beloved) forests.
5. Their new "allies" dont like orcs etc 
They are kind of Forsaken and Blood Elves, in the end they will leave the Alliance as the Forsakne and Blood Elves will create their own "pact" and leave the Horde.
Is it wrong to worship the shadows?
Its just like light, and the Light might even be "badder" or more "evil" than the shadows.
As i said before they made the new plauge for a very good reason and it might lead to victory for both the Alliance and the Horde.
Scarlet Crusade is controlled by an dreadlord, they are fanatics and corurpted.
They execute civilans.
They belive everyone is undead, even their leaders father knows this and his ghosts kill his son later on.
Also they work for the Burning Legion (but they dont like it) and the Dreadlords/Balnazzar has already sent a crusade to Northrend once but failed.
Okey, its good that the Balnazzar uses the Scarlet Crusade to combat the Scourge but he does also combat the Alliance and the Horde and they do horrible things in Lordaeron so that the Burning Legion can control it.
The Goblins are very important for political reasons and trade + transport etc.
I belive that sometime some Goblins will join the Horde, if the trade will go bad.
Ravenholdt does nothing evil.
They combat the Syndicate, also demon-worshippers.
And they are so small that they are no threat.
They are just a group of neutral rogues trying to get the control of Alterac and restore it.
Maybe this will help everybody and yes, i am a lore freak lol
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nikolo
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posted November 08, 2007 09:23 AM |
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You are the man who know too much!
Ty for brightening this, m8!
BTW Ravenhold was meant to be a major rogue faction, with very long rogue quest line (something like Dreadsteed q-line for warlock), but the Blizz freezed its development for unknown reasons.
Rogue FTW!
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Daystar
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Back from the Dead
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posted November 08, 2007 01:08 PM |
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Druid FTrouge!
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ZanJerusalem
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posted November 08, 2007 04:27 PM |
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If Kaelthas won't use all the remaining Sunwell to summon Kil'jaden, as he already made those preparations.
Blizzard!  Why did you destroy my favourite character!?
I hope there will be some quest to give the vial to the High elves. Sadly the world is static.  Oh well...
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Some Blood Elf Priests really worship the light but the most doesnt, the Light is just power for them.
Its very possible that many Priests drain energies from M'uru too.
You are entirely wrong here. I role-play a Blood Elven priest, and I can tell you that there is nothing which back up that claim. The priesthood is in the same situation as the Chinese Catholics, they need to remain silent or they will be mind controlled/killed. There is a scripted scene in the Bazaar about this.
Also, if you are talking to a Blood Elven priest trainer as a blood elf of an another class he or she will say: "I have no time for a sermon now <class>. Seek you knowledge elsewhere. If Blood Elven priests where just magicians stealing their power from M'uru, they would never hold any sermons. And there has always been High Elven/Blood Elven priests look at Warcraft III.
Also here is some in-game content proving that Blood Elven priests serve the light. In Falconwing square there is a low-level Blood elven priest quest called "Cleansing the scar". As a priest, your mission is to bless the Rangers defending the Death Scar when they are under Scourge attacks. When you have done that and return to Ponaris, the priest who gave you the quest he will give you the "robes of Silvermoon" artifact and he will also say unto you:
"Already the rangers speak of your blessings with awe and respect. Now you can see how the Light serves us, allowing us to help others, but only after we have helped ourselves."
You have to help yourself, by following the virtues of the light.
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But Alliance and Horde is good as they are against the evils of the world.
And both are friends, they are not archenemies.
I wish they could be more friendly towards each others. There is no reason for the "Hostile" status, should be neutral.
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Night Elves, selfish?
Seriously, they SACRIFICED their land, lots of their orginal traditons, much of their pride and their immoratlity.
They bought the legion here, they are incredibly racist against their enemies, the High elves, and they fear everything non-Kal’Dorei.
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Scarlet Crusade is controlled by an dreadlord, they are fanatics and corurpted.
Balnazzar is not very controlling, in fact they are mostly controlled by Instillien and Abendis than by him.
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They execute civilans.
Huh? They kill dangerous forsaken warriors, but not human civilians. Just look at the Solider Farmstead, they actually defend the last remaining civilians in Northern Lordaeron.
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They combat the Syndicate, also demon-worshippers.
They are allied with Demon worshippers, the Argus wake, they are not demonologists themselves. Also, if you can ally with the Syndicate and get reputation with them, why cannot you ally with the far nobler Scarlet Crusade?
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Consis
Honorable
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Of Ruby
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posted November 08, 2007 05:32 PM |
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Careful Consideration
I like reading Lich_King's posts. He is very well written and does a good job expressing what he is wants the reader to understand.
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xerox
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posted November 08, 2007 07:18 PM |
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I didnt say all.
And i think things might have changed a bit since Wc3.
Many Blood Elfs Priest became Blood knights later.
And who says that you must have faith in the light to use it?
No, it was one group of Noght Elves called the Kaldorei.
First almost all nelfs used magic, dragons warned them and then only Empress Azsharas chosen, the Highborne, used it.
Also Azshara was corrupted by Sargeras.
They were pretty neutral against the high elves but they dont like the Blood Elfs because they use demonic energies and misuse magic.
And its better if you blame Malygos, an very lazy dragons.
It was hes job to make this NOT happen.
And after almost all his dragonflight was killed by Deathwing, he went crazy for 10.000 years and now when he has awoken, he wants to correct his mistake (so Malygos isnt really crazy or evil right now, he just does his job and its almost worser now than in Azsharas age).
Maybe but im sure he has very strong connections to them and says what to do.
And the forsaken isnt dangerous, they just think they are Scourge and think that humans and all other races are infected so they execute them.
Seriously, you cant say that the Scarlet Crusade is good, Mograine even killed his father.
Becuase the Syndicate still almost has no connections with the Burning Legion anymore now when Kil'jeaden is going to be defeated, most of the other burning legion leaders killed and the third war over.
And teh Syndicate isnt a threat either.
And the demon alliance and worshipping is one of their darkest secrets so they wont tell them to new members and its very rare that one from the Alliance or the Horde joins them, as both are their enemies.
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nikolo
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posted November 08, 2007 07:27 PM |
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Druid FTrouge!
Well, as they say it :
Ignorance is a Blizz. xDDD
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ZanJerusalem
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posted November 08, 2007 09:00 PM |
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And i think things might have changed a bit since Wc3.
Why would an ancient priesthood, some four hundred years old, just one day give up their religion and all their scriptures because some evil ones raided you homeland? I ensure you; I wouldn’t forsake Christianity if Stockholm was blasted to the ground. (Though I would bee kind of mad at those who did it)
And as I showed you before, they still hold sermons, to the Light.
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And who says that you must have faith in the light to use it?
“The Holy Light is not only a gift for dedication to the defense of Life, Justice, Truth, and Righteousness; it is a magical power, and as such, it can be stolen, harnessed and used as weapon for malicious purposes. Despite the fact that the majority of the Blood Elves lost their faith in the Light after the destruction of Quel'Thalas, they have found new ways to harness the divine power without the need for the years of rigorous study and faith in the light normally associated with the divine arts.”
Just as the quest completion say: “Now you can see how the Light serves us, allowing us to help others, but only after we have helped ourselves.”
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No, it was one group of Noght Elves called the Kaldorei.
Kal’dorei means “Children of the stars” as opposed to the Quel’Dorei (Highborne) and Sin’Dorei (Children of the blood). Look at Wowwiki.
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And the forsaken isnt dangerous
Not all forsaken are, but sure their bitter queen is dangerous with her apothecaries and their new Plague.
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Seriously, you cant say that the Scarlet Crusade is good, Mograine even killed his father.
Mogaine is not the almighty leader of the Scarlet Crusade. (actually they are a very decentralised organisation, so there is no such leader)
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Becuase the Syndicate still almost has no connections with the Burning Legion anymore now when Kil'jeaden is going to be defeated, most of the other burning legion leaders killed and the third war over.
The Syndicate is openly allies with the demon worshippers, unlike the Scarlet Crusade whose first-among-equal leader is possessed by a demon, they are deceived by him. And there is nothing noble with the syndicate assassins, unlike the Scarlet Crusade who at least try to protect what’s left of Lordaeron.
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And teh Syndicate isnt a threat either.
So according to you those gangsters are a minor threat compared to the Scarlet Crusade? Let’s compare them, what is the good deeds of the Syndicate: errr… none. What is the good deeds of the Crusade?, well, protecting the remaining citizens of Lordaeron (notably the Scourge), spreading the Faith of the Holy Light, Fighting the Scourge with great bravery (and zealously, the actually managed to reach Icencrown once), they fight for the light and for Lordaeron, while the Syndicate just think of themselves.
So basically, the Scarlet Crusade deserves to be served more than the Syndicate, and therefore we should be able to gain reputation with them. They could be a Humans/Dwarves /Draenei/Blood elves only faction, for the light worshipping races.
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