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yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted September 27, 2006 12:13 AM |
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Poll Question:
Neutral heroes
I was wondering,.. would it be good to add neutral heroes with no native towns/ abilities.
They would work the same way as standard racial heroes but without any racial skills (would be able to pick 6 standard skills)
Those types of heroes would be equaly good for all towns (even tho racial hero would still be a best choice for every town).
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WilX
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 27, 2006 01:17 AM |
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I would like to see something along those lines. However simply removing a hero's racial ability is not quite good enough. The hero would also have to have a neutral "special ability" like how dugal specializes in "archers" maybe this could be stronger than average to make up for the lack of racial. Also, alot of the leveling system is dependant on racial abilities, and the secondary skills they provide. Becuase specialy secondary skills (ones that only some races can access) often require, a specific racial skill. There would have to be a way that this could be bypassed without
1)Overpowering the hero by allowing access to more advanced skills at really low levels.
2)Destroying the hero by making him so random, (if you has access to all secondary skills) that it's near impossible to get all the skills you would like.
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cantaresg
Known Hero
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posted September 27, 2006 06:48 AM |
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I would like to see something along those lines. However simply removing a hero's racial ability is not quite good enough. The hero would also have to have a neutral "special ability" like how dugal specializes in "archers" maybe this could be stronger than average to make up for the lack of racial. Also, alot of the leveling system is dependant on racial abilities, and the secondary skills they provide. Becuase specialy secondary skills (ones that only some races can access) often require, a specific racial skill. There would have to be a way that this could be bypassed without
1)Overpowering the hero by allowing access to more advanced skills at really low levels.
2)Destroying the hero by making him so random, (if you has access to all secondary skills) that it's near impossible to get all the skills you would like.
Such as Lord of the Undead without necromancy? That will be so weird. How about a renegade hero for the renegade haven units in the hammer of fate, having his own "racial" abilities?
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 27, 2006 10:38 AM |
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If done correctly, neutral heroes would be realy cool. They would be very usefull in towns of other allignments then your starter, still it would have to be done correctly which would be a very hard job.
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Sindbad
Famous Hero
The lost soul
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posted September 27, 2006 09:31 PM |
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Edited by Sindbad at 21:33, 27 Sep 2006.
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Deffinetely no.
The neutral heroes wont be that original as the ones already in the game. The racial skill is also missing. What system of skills and abilities would they have? And what would be the heros classes? With what creatures would they start? There are still lots of guestions that have no answer yet. And I think they would be useless for me (I mean th heroes).
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DragonLord3000
Known Hero
Romanian flamethrower
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posted September 28, 2006 01:24 PM |
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Yes,they should put some neutral heroes in the game.Maybe rebels,which fought for a king and got kicked out by him..now puting their loyalty to almost anyone who can help them retrieve their lost ship or maybe get even with the king!..Or having them in a special tavern of veterans,losers which may fight for you,against you,or remain neutral with a very very strong army and wonder on the map fighting who they can and grabbing what they can
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WilX
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 28, 2006 02:24 PM |
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Deffinetely no.
The neutral heroes wont be that original as the ones already in the game. The racial skill is also missing. What system of skills and abilities would they have? And what would be the heros classes? With what creatures would they start? There are still lots of guestions that have no answer yet. And I think they would be useless for me (I mean th heroes).
I agree this is pretty much what I meant to say. Except for the flatout no part. I think it can be done, but it would be very difficult to be done correctly. All in all it's an intresting idea but it might be near impossible to actually implement. I'd have to see some theories on how it would work.
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DragonLord3000
Known Hero
Romanian flamethrower
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posted September 28, 2006 02:28 PM |
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Deffinetely no.
The neutral heroes wont be that original as the ones already in the game. The racial skill is also missing. What system of skills and abilities would they have? And what would be the heros classes? With what creatures would they start? There are still lots of guestions that have no answer yet. And I think they would be useless for me (I mean th heroes).
I agree this is pretty much what I meant to say. Except for the flatout no part. I think it can be done, but it would be very difficult to be done correctly. All in all it's an intresting idea but it might be near impossible to actually implement. I'd have to see some theories on how it would work.
Is my ideas enough or do you need more?
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Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted September 28, 2006 02:51 PM |
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Is my ideas enough or do you need more?
Your ideas are fine but they aren't helping in solving the technical difficulties. In other HOMM games I may have said "yes, it's a very good idea" but the heroes in h5 depend too much on their faction - the whole skill system is based on it. If there to be neutral heroes than they would need a special skill wheel just for them and then they'll be exactly like racial heroes but without a town of their own.
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Sindbad
Famous Hero
The lost soul
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posted September 28, 2006 02:58 PM |
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All you are right. It does sound interesting, but just cant be correctly added to the game.
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