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Ted
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posted December 01, 2006 06:09 PM |
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Ability to change units into heroes
i was playing Heroes 4 yesterday and when my hero deid in battle a saw that the creatures kept moving (like a hero), so i think it would be good to have this ability in H5.
How it works
ok, in your build a town menu, when you build a tavern, thats it, i think there should be an upgrade for the tavern, allowing you to change the creature into a hero, but only one type.
Cost: 3000 Gold.
Building: upgrade of tavern
Hero: must already have a hero with level 5 or over, and the creature must be in the Heroes army.
Creatures
Sylvan: Druid Elder
Academy: Archmage
Haven: Paladin
Dungeon: Grim Raider
Inferno: Arch Devil
Necropolis: Vampire Lord
Fortress: Blackbear rider
Symbols
Druid Elder
Archmage
Paladin
Grim Raider
Arch Devil
Vampire Lord
Blackbear rider
Sorry, couldnt find an image but there is one here
Giving a Name
Simple when you want to turn a creature into a hero it will say please give a name.
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alcibiades
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posted December 01, 2006 06:22 PM |
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I don't understand this. The feature that armies could move without Heroes has been discussed elsewhere (look up the thread "Features Come Back" in the Temple Of Ashan forum). However, I don't understand the thing with upgrading units into Heroes!? Would you wan't to replace the traditional "buy hero" feature, or what would the point in this be?
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Ted
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posted December 01, 2006 07:08 PM |
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I don't understand this. The feature that armies could move without Heroes has been discussed elsewhere (look up the thread "Features Come Back" in the Temple Of Ashan forum). However, I don't understand the thing with upgrading units into Heroes!? Would you wan't to replace the traditional "buy hero" feature, or what would the point in this be?
ok, i will have a look, but still their are some disaventages, like: can not have a speciality, or they can not more than one creature hero, but i think it would be a good thing from the old game anyway
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KnightDougal
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posted December 01, 2006 07:57 PM |
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i was playing Heroes 4 yesterday and when my hero deid in battle a saw that the creatures kept moving (like a hero), so i think it would be good to have this ability in H5.
How it works
ok, in your build a town menu, when you build a tavern, thats it, i think there should be an upgrade for the tavern, allowing you to change the creature into a hero, but only one type.
Cost: 3000 Gold.
Building: upgrade of tavern
Hero: must already have a hero with level 5 or over, and the creature must be in the Heroes army.
Creatures
Sylvan: Druid Elder
Academy: Archmage
Haven: Paladin
Dungeon: Grim Raider
Inferno: Arch Devil
Necropolis: Vampire Lord
Fortress: Blackbear rider
Symbols
Druid Elder
Archmage
Paladin
Grim Raider
Arch Devil
Vampire Lord
Blackbear rider
Sorry, couldnt find an image but there is one here
Giving a Name
Simple when you want to turn a creature into a hero it will say please give a name.
No, it is not good!
For the Necropolish:
Archlich
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VokialBG
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posted December 01, 2006 08:10 PM |
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Hmm, I have an idea:
1. Build The Tavern.
2. Build Upg. Tavern, now you can hire, one very, very strange creature, and it is different for every race in the game, the creature is half - hero, half - normal creature, it can be killed in battle, the creature can use spells and it have levels as hero, but the creature is something like castle manager, it can fite only when the town is under siege.
It will be very cool 
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Geny
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posted December 01, 2006 08:19 PM |
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Edited by Geny at 20:19, 01 Dec 2006.
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Hmm, I have an idea:
1. Build The Tavern.
2. Build Upg. Tavern, now you can hire, one very, very strange creature, and it is different for every race in the game, the creature is half - hero, half - normal creature, it can be killed in battle, the creature can use spells and it have levels as hero, but the creature is something like castle manager, it can fite only when the town is under siege.
It will be very cool
You're talking about an improved version of Heroes II captain. It was a nice idea at the time but it was replaced by garrisoned heroes. The only difference between garrisoned hero and your creature is the ability to fight, but then it faces the balance issue - how to make useful but not overpowered.
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VokialBG
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posted December 01, 2006 08:35 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 20:37, 01 Dec 2006.
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You're talking about an improved version of Heroes II captain. It was a nice idea at the time but it was replaced by garrisoned heroes. The only difference between garrisoned hero and your creature is the ability to fight, but then it faces the balance issue - how to make useful but not overpowered.
Hah yes like in Heroes II 
Half-heroes:
Each one hero have title
Academy
Arhmage Sar-faluz
Dungeon
Blood witch Daria
Haven
Sir Kornul
Inferno
DemonLord Kondip
Necropolis
Vokial - King of all vampires 
Sylvan
Captain Lernal
Fortress
Gloin
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alcibiades
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posted December 01, 2006 09:12 PM |
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Eh - if this was just supposed to replace the Garrison hero, I don't see any point in it. Why add something with less possibility than what we already have? If it was going to be there besides the Garrison hero I also see no point in it - might as well open up for two Garrison heroes. And I think the whole concept of a "Sir Kornul" (or whatever his name) who will show up in all your Haven towns (at the same time) is something that should be avoided at all cost.
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VokialBG
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posted December 01, 2006 09:23 PM |
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Eh - if this was just supposed to replace the Garrison hero, I don't see any point in it. Why add something with less possibility than what we already have? If it was going to be there besides the Garrison hero I also see no point in it - might as well open up for two Garrison heroes. And I think the whole concept of a "Sir Kornul" (or whatever his name) who will show up in all your Haven towns (at the same time) is something that should be avoided at all cost.
Hey, have you ever play Heroes 2 ? The captain is something different!
And this are examples for half-heroes, they must be many, and when you upg you Tavern you can choose you half-hero for the town.
The commander (or captain, or ....) can:
1. Fight, when in the town is no garrison hero.
2. Fight with the hero, when the town is under siege.
The half-hero look like the commanders in WoG, but only in the town.
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alcibiades
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posted December 01, 2006 09:26 PM |
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Yes, I played Heroes 2. And as someone wisely pointed out above, the Commander was abandoned because the Garrison Hero slot was introduced with Heroes 3. And that's why I don't see any use in this feature: The Hero can move, level up, collect ressources, and learn skills. The Commander can do nothing. And if you'd still have to hire him, why not spend the money on a Hero instead?
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Ted
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posted December 01, 2006 10:02 PM |
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thanks VokialBG, slightly off topic, but still i supose its mailnly on topic,
anyhow very nice, i think it would be very handy to do this (garrisons), and having a semi-hero would be quite good
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KnightDougal
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posted December 02, 2006 04:11 PM |
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You're talking about an improved version of Heroes II captain. It was a nice idea at the time but it was replaced by garrisoned heroes. The only difference between garrisoned hero and your creature is the ability to fight, but then it faces the balance issue - how to make useful but not overpowered.
Hah yes like in Heroes II
Half-heroes:
Each one hero have title
Academy
Arhmage Sar-faluz
Dungeon
Blood witch Daria
Haven
Sir Kornul
Inferno
DemonLord Kondip
Necropolis
Vokial - King of all vampires
Sylvan
Captain Lernal
Fortress
Gloin
No!
Necropolish:
Lich King Dreggar
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posted December 02, 2006 04:17 PM |
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can people please stop quoting a whole post with a lot of pictures if it is on the same page? Some people have very slow load times.
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posted December 02, 2006 05:27 PM |
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No!
Necropolish:
Lich King Dreggar
Hmmm... You just didn't play in the sylvan campaign, right?
Because the idea is from there.
There's Vampire Lord there (I don't tell you who, I don't want to ruin to you  ) that plays like a hero...
So, is should be Vampire Lord, not Arch Lich.
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alcibiades
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posted December 02, 2006 05:36 PM |
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can people please stop quoting a whole post with a lot of pictures if it is on the same page? Some people have very slow load times.
Good advice.
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posted December 02, 2006 05:47 PM |
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can people please stop quoting a whole post with a lot of pictures if it is on the same page? Some people have very slow load times.
Good advice.
Yes, I totaly agree.
If I did it, I'm sorry.
From now on, I'll quoting just the text.
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posted December 02, 2006 05:47 PM |
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No!
Necropolish:
Lich King Dreggar
Hmmm... You just didn't play in the sylvan campaign, right?
Because the idea is from there.
There's Vampire Lord there (I don't tell you who, I don't want to ruin to you ) that plays like a hero...
So, is should be Vampire Lord, not Arch Lich.
A vampire cannot be strong as a lich.
See battle: Archlich VS Vampire. 3 Archlich VS 5 Vampire Lord.
The Archlich wins.
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GenieLord
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posted December 02, 2006 05:49 PM |
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No!
Necropolish:
Lich King Dreggar
Hmmm... You just didn't play in the sylvan campaign, right?
Because the idea is from there.
There's Vampire Lord there (I don't tell you who, I don't want to ruin to you ) that plays like a hero...
So, is should be Vampire Lord, not Arch Lich.
A vampire cannot be strong as a lich.
See battle: Archlich VS Vampire. 3 Archlich VS 5 Vampire Lord.
The Archlich wins.
And Spectral Dragon wins Archlich...
>_<
The point is not who's stronger.
The point is who's fits better to be a hero.
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VokialBG
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posted December 02, 2006 06:10 PM |
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And Spectral Dragon wins Archlich...
>_<
The point is not who's stronger.
The point is who's fits better to be a hero.
And who is Greater
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KnightDougal
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posted December 02, 2006 07:12 PM |
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New idea. Commanders: Chreatures turned into heroes. Each town gas got two commander classes.
Haven:
Crusader
Requred chreature: Squire
Archbishop
Requred chreature: Inquestor
Necropolish:
Vampire King
Requred chreature: Vampire Lord
Superseme Archlich
Requred chreature: Archlich
Inferno
Cultist
Requred chreature: Pit Lord
Superseme Archdevil
Requred chreature: Archevil
Sylan
Seer
Requred chreature: Druid Elder
Gold Dragon
Requred chreature: Emelard Dragon
Dungeon
Minotaur Lord
Requred Chreature: Minotaur Guard
Blood Mage
Requred chreature: Shadow Matriach
Academy:
Superseme Archmage
Requred chreature: Archmage
Genie Califa
Requred chreature: Djinn Sultan
Fortress
Barbarian
Requred chreature: Nomad (Blackbear Rider+Berserker combination)
Drawen Paladon
Requred chreature: WArlord
Haven Regande
Fallen Knight
Requred chreature: Vindactor
Fallen Archbishop
Requred chreature: Zaelot
Settlement
Captain
Requred chreature: Greater Watrak
Biggest Mek
Requred chreature: Squigoth Rider
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