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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted November 03, 2007 07:25 PM |
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2. Sylvan has BY FAR the best base growth in the game.
Care to elaborate? If you mean base creature growth, then Sylvan hardly is the best with (10/9/7/4/3/2/1).
If you mean base growth in therms of creature power, you're probably right, but Dungeon isn't a lot worse. In fact, both factions are quite alike with low growths but strong creatures, although Sylvan fares better with that fact as a might faction. Plus, their growth buildings don't require creature sacrifice.
people tend to make that mistake often
dungeon creatures are NOT strong
it doesn't matter what their stats say, do NOT make that mistake! They are either slow, fragile or simply weak in growth/power to be called "strong".
You may say blacks are strong, but level7s don't have that much impact on this game.. and drags' dwelling is among the most expensive ones.
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sdfx
Famous Hero
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posted November 04, 2007 04:34 PM |
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Yes, it's all about warlock's durability. If a warlock would somehow get a lot of defense(by being lucky with level ups) and would get a defense skill then fine - he can do something useful vs sylvan. The point is he not likely to do so..
That's why it's often better to use a hero that can easily get might stats and might skills(very high defense, high attack). For example a ranger, even with all those morale problems, would still do better than a typical might warlock just because he would actually survive the 1st hit and retaliate. Those retals would actually do the damage and sylvan would actually lose some stack(s).
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted November 04, 2007 06:12 PM |
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geewai, umm, both me and Feluniozbunio already mentioned the fact that dungeon is all about destructive quite a LOT of times in this topic.. 
Having multiple strong heroes is not really possible in MP game
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sdfx
Famous Hero
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posted November 04, 2007 06:35 PM |
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Edited by sdfx at 18:42, 04 Nov 2007.
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I did some testing and realized that warlocks can learn last stand.. So, I must say a warlock can actually pull off a win vs sylvan later. IMO, the ultimate anti-sylvan late game warlock should look like:
1. Swift mind(don't even try without it  ), exp sorcery, empowered - easily most important.
2. Last stand - 1 HP troops can protect, steal a retal etc. but most importantly they are extreamly useful for ending empowered arma suicide.
3. Ignite - extra damage.
4. Warlock's luck.
Artifacts: focus on +spellpower, +defense, +initiative, +luck.
The battle will most likely look like: cast empowered meteors(or fireball), cast empowered arma.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted November 04, 2007 06:48 PM |
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can you still rehire your hero after "winning" the battle by armageddoning both sides away?
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sdfx
Famous Hero
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posted November 04, 2007 07:12 PM |
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Yes, and you don't lose any arties either. Also, armageddon is affected by last stand.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 04, 2007 07:23 PM |
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I was about to ask what happens with last stand
Btw I saw that invisible or not, all units are subject to rain of arrows if they are on the avenger list. However once hit they do not appear and the arrows seem to disappear where the unit is  You'll hit but have no idea how many are killed.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted November 05, 2007 04:36 PM |
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Lately, i never played againts sylvan, so, why sylvan is a threat for dungeon? stalker are damn, if dungeon challenge sylvan in impossible difficulty, my vote go for dungeon, CMIIW, impossible diff for dungeon is just like easy diff.
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Legendary_hero
Known Hero
Stronghold Warchief
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posted November 05, 2007 04:42 PM |
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I was about to ask what happens with last stand
Btw I saw that invisible or not, all units are subject to rain of arrows if they are on the avenger list. However once hit they do not appear and the arrows seem to disappear where the unit is You'll hit but have no idea how many are killed.
Yeah the same is with the Thunder Thane's Storm Strike.The Stalker uses invisibility then i use storm bolt on the hydras and the chain hits invisible stalkers(The Chain doesn't broke) and continued to the the other creatures.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted November 05, 2007 04:51 PM |
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Consider creeping power, how can sylvan outlast dungeon, now they have stalker, which can make heroic difficulty like easy difficulty, their artifact merchant also count
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Nirual
Famous Hero
Imbued Ballista
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posted November 05, 2007 04:57 PM |
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Invisible units are still vulnerable to spells, yes, although they can't be targeted directly.
I wonder though if spells can be mirrored to them and if they are still affected by MotW copying spells on them. My bet is, yes.
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Cleave
Promising
Famous Hero
Raging Blood
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posted November 05, 2007 07:13 PM |
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The Stalker invisibility doesn't last that long. Still once it is activated enemy creatures can get nuked to death by the Warlock's spells.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted November 05, 2007 09:38 PM |
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stalkers= insane fast creeping = good artifacts (+artifact merchant) = crazy nuker warlocks
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Legendary_hero
Known Hero
Stronghold Warchief
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posted November 06, 2007 08:30 PM |
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Ever played with Sinitar on the Duels.That's just so crazy i mean Good luck + Empowered meteor shower=VICTORY .I think the only OVERPOWERED HERO IS THE WARLOCK 
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The_Gootch
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Kneel Before Me Sons of HC!!
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posted November 06, 2007 10:26 PM |
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Here's something that's baffling me. Why is there such inconsistency as to when I can use the Red Dragon's Incinerate ability? I have found no rhyme or reason for it yet.
Also, I'm pretty sure I saw, when fighting some Foul Hydras, their acid splash hurting each other. Can anyone confirm that Foul Hydra blood will mess up your own troops?
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Slapzech
Adventuring Hero
that didn't vote for Kaczynski
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posted November 06, 2007 10:34 PM |
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Here's something that's baffling me. Why is there such inconsistency as to when I can use the Red Dragon's Incinerate ability? I have found no rhyme or reason for it yet.
Also, I'm pretty sure I saw, when fighting some Foul Hydras, their acid splash hurting each other. Can anyone confirm that Foul Hydra blood will mess up your own troops?
I didn't had any real possibility to use Incinerate myself.
And Yes - Your Foul Hydra's acid blood damages any unit in range, that means allied creatures as well.
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Zenithale
Promising
Famous Hero
Zen Mind
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posted November 07, 2007 12:54 AM |
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Good luck + Empowered meteor shower=VICTORY
Exactly, it's really stupid 
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted November 07, 2007 09:22 AM |
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Yeah, incinerate is somehow useless, by the time i have red dragon, there is no challenging enemy, i believe incinerate is for challenging enemy
Or maybe we should walk the path of might warlock, sfdx said about sylvan heroes leading warlock armies, i will try that, though it is such insane idea.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 07, 2007 10:13 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 10:14, 07 Nov 2007.
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Nope, warlock with the elemental vision and dragon route(no guilds) from the start. Attack and luck and already there. Destructive can give fiery wrath(plus it's always good to have) so what else you may want is logistics->teleport assault, enlightenment or leadership. An initiative artie with leadership/luck/attack/elemental vision can deal very good damage early, however I'm not sure it's the way to go with dungeon.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted November 07, 2007 10:28 AM |
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Not really, 0 defense really hurts might heroes, and might heroes need a strong might special... like bloodrage, runes, avenger, gating.. not crossover might-magic special like elemental vision which, compared to the above, isn't really very impressive in boosting your damage. Also, might heroes need a way to deal with dark magic; Dungeon has none. Finally, they have no buffs and they lost power of endurance in ToTe.
In other words, it's quite hard to be a successful melee warlock.
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