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Doomforge
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posted May 01, 2007 03:36 PM |
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I totaly agree with SwampLord, the new World is bull****
I beg to differ.
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1. The story line on Heroes 5 in the stupedest HoMM story ever!
Why? It's just the same "the bad guys came after us" as everywhere. And definitely more creative than in h3.
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2. This is not the first 3D Heroes game, but even in this is good, this 3D graphics looks to old, comics and actualy from year 2000 - 2002
I love comic looks, man! Not everybody likes realistc graphics. I hate it.
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3. The new races like Dungeon and Sylvan give us to many boring, equal creatures
So if we had a manticore instead of a witch i'd be a good game? duh.
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4. Heroes 5 is the HoMM game with the lowest amount of features, heroes per town, artifacts and neutral monsters
Ubi tries to fix it through patches and expansions, though. I'm not saying they don't deserve a bashing cuz they do, it's just that things can get better in the future.
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5. There are many dragons in Heroes 5, like in H3 and 4 but in H5 there are only 2 abilities for dragon, now you know why the dragons in H5 are boring.
They have exactly as much as their h2-h4 counterparts.
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6. Heroes 5 is bugest HoMM game
Yeah, and badly balanced. But they at least try to fix it. H3 was left out to rot within ridiculous imbalances like conflux and necropolis on big maps and nobody really complained.
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Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted May 01, 2007 03:57 PM |
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Edited by Geny at 15:58, 01 May 2007.
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@Vokial
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1. The story line on Heroes 5 in the stupedest HoMM story ever!
Oh yeah, HoMM 1 story was much better - 4 warlords appear from nowhere and battle for power.
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2. This is not the first 3D Heroes game, but even in this is good, this 3D graphics looks to old, comics and actualy from year 2000 - 2002
HoMM 3 didn't look exactly "new" either, but I still love the way it looks.
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3. The new races like Dungeon and Sylvan give us to many boring, equal creatures
This has been discussed before, I personally prefer faction that make sense instead of faction with many different creatures.
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4. Heroes 5 is the HoMM game with the lowest amount of features, heroes per town, artifacts and neutral monsters
And the biggest amount of hero skills + abilities and unique creature abilities.
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5. There are many dragons in Heroes 5, like in H3 and 4 but in H5 there are only 2 abilities for dragon, now you know why the dragons in H5 are boring.
Let's look at this a bit closer: we have the Lava/Magma Dragon who is nothing like the rest = unique. We have the Necro dragons - undead, upgrade with weakness ability (almost like the HoMM 3 necro dragons, but without -1 morale). We have Sylvan and Dungeon Dragons - non-upgrade with breath attacks and upgrades with magic immunity (earth immunity and total immunity), comparing to HoMM 3 Rampart and Dungeon dragons - breath attack and magic immunities of different levels (and the Titan hatred ability which is mostly useless).
So, your point is?
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6. Heroes 5 is bugest HoMM game
Maybe you're right, but HoMM 5 is probably also the most desired HoMM game in its time and therefore was under a lot of pressure before its release.
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7. There are to many inadequacies in the game soryline and history, like:
Duncan and Freyda were killed in the standard H5 version, but in HoF they are mine heroes in the campaign.
Haven't played HoF, so can't comment on that.
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8. Boring heroes like Biara 
There were some boring heroes in previous HoMM titles, its quite personal.
BTW, I also played all of the previous titles and loved all of them (well maybe except HoMM 4, though its not such a bad game as well).But what I want to show here is that you don't like HoMM 5 in general so you try to find some excuses for it, you're just too attached to the previous HoMM titles.
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ZombieLord
Promising
Famous Hero
that wants your brainz...
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posted May 01, 2007 04:12 PM |
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Totally agree with Geny
Especially with the faction line-up. I don't like random creatures all over the place
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SwampLord
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Lord of the Swamp
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posted May 01, 2007 09:21 PM |
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Comic book looks are stupid, many of the creatures, such as zombies,(no offense meant), gargoyles, and genies look rather ridiculous. Are the angels male or female? I can't tell. Seriously. Also, the campaigns in Heroes 3, at least, were more believable. Especially Armageddons Blade, etc, weren't just about "We're under attack." The campaign in V, apparently, (I'm gonna get the game soon, but I've played demo, seen intro and have good idea of the story.)starts when the king is ambushed by demons in the heart of his own capital? How did that happen? Also, I noticed that, for whatever reason, the queen and her guard weren't running for the exit, but merely walking. I'd be running if a 20-ft tall teleporting devil was after me. I like the game, just have some issues with it. overall though, good job Ubi.
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ChaosDragon
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posted May 02, 2007 12:18 AM |
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The players who like it more the new world, are new players in HoMM, they just start with heroes 5
That's not true, it's a matter of individual taste.
I begin to play heroes since heroes 2 untill now, yet, i like heroes 5 world more than before. The NWC universe is too confusing, what is the ancients, and i don't know the origin of the ancients, all things is too mysterious, unlike ashan, it has it's own genesis, geneis=base and foundation of a universe, and ashan has it clearly, unlike NWC world. For me, NWC world is total nonsense.
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted May 02, 2007 01:24 AM |
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Edited by Daystar at 01:34, 02 May 2007.
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1. The story line on Heroes 5 in the stupedest HoMM story ever!
Not really. I liked Agreal/Raelag. He was an interesting character. Very noble, but very selfish. He was willing to sacrifice everything he had for a woman who could never love him in return. This leads to intresting character.
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2. This is not the first 3D Heroes game, but even in this is good, this 3D graphics looks to old, comics and actualy from year 2000 - 2002
The graphics are fine. Realistic just means they are less colorful, which is never good. And it sure is colorful, its like someone dumped a gay pride parade into our monitors.
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3. The new races like Dungeon and Sylvan give us to many boring, equal creatures
This makes sense, as they are flipsides of a coin.
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4. Heroes 5 is the HoMM game with the lowest amount of features, heroes per town, artifacts and neutral monsters
There's only so much point. Its better to have lots of skills and levelups than lots of heroes that are all basically the same.
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5. There are many dragons in Heroes 5, like in H3 and 4 but in H5 there are only 2 abilities for dragon, now you know why the dragons in H5 are boring.
The Dragons are no more pletiful than there were before, and they're dragons, they don't need oodles of abilities, they can barbeque anyone who complains.
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6. Heroes 5 is bugest HoMM game
They keep trying to patch it though!
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7. There are to many inadequacies in the game soryline and history, like:
Duncan and Freyda were killed in the standard H5 version, but in HoF they are mine heroes in the campaign.
Freyda wasn't actually killed, that was just Markal speculating. He didn't have time to kill her before he was ambushed by the Angels.
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8. Boring heroes like Biara
Biara is okay. she's evil, but she's more complex than you realize. she's been around for a while, and knows a lot.
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Lich_King
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posted May 02, 2007 01:25 AM |
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Comic book looks are stupid, many of the creatures, such as zombies,(no offense meant), gargoyles, and genies look rather ridiculous. Are the angels male or female? I can't tell. Seriously. Also, the campaigns in Heroes 3, at least, were more believable. Especially Armageddons Blade, etc, weren't just about "We're under attack." The campaign in V, apparently, (I'm gonna get the game soon, but I've played demo, seen intro and have good idea of the story.)starts when the king is ambushed by demons in the heart of his own capital? How did that happen? Also, I noticed that, for whatever reason, the queen and her guard weren't running for the exit, but merely walking. I'd be running if a 20-ft tall teleporting devil was after me. I like the game, just have some issues with it. overall though, good job Ubi.
Even though you're a new around and might not know the basics of a discussion I shall enlight you:
1. Try reading FAQ/Rules for more instructions how you should communicate in forums.
2. Also avoid declarations such as... That and this are stupid.; That and this and that looks ridiculous. Instead of that you should give us arguments and your point of opinion: That and this are not of my liking because of (for example) colour, shape and size.
3. Also try punctuation and spacing, it's really hard to read walls of texts and understand what you wanna say from reading it first time.
And for a reply:
Don't judge on game's story only from playing demo, as Ashan is most probably most explained world there was before. Earlier NWC would just glue new facts to old ones to make it look more logical and in some cases that leaded to rectons or some errors.
And btw. Angels are asexual entities if you wanna know
Have a nice day.
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Daystar
Honorable
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Back from the Dead
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posted May 02, 2007 01:34 AM |
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No wonder the angels are dying out.
Edit by the Tooth Fairy: They have advanced cell cloning facilities and embrio growth labs to sustain their numbers
^ ^ I feel violated!!!
Edit by the Easter Bunny: Get used to it. 
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SwampLord
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Lord of the Swamp
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posted May 02, 2007 02:21 AM |
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My main objection is, the appearance of some units is rather cartoonish. For example, zombies, gargoyles, and genies are kinda foolish looking. I could live without the more heavily anime style. Although, some units, such as devils, spectral dragons, squires, and many Haven and Dungeon units, are quite cool, and I like them.
I also dislike the appearance of the Angels' swords, although it does remind of an episode of Red vs Blue( Online Halo videos). They were discussing the Energy Sword, and how they thought it was a key. One of them says, "Maybe when you stick it in people, it unlocks their death." That describes the new swords pretty well, I think.
Inherently, I am talking about not the background, but how this HoMM, while quite good, has a bit more stereotypes then the last few.
Actually, HoMM 3 had the most dragons, if you take into account Armageddon's Blade. That added 4 new dragons, including the Azure, the coolest one ever.
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Plexus22
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posted May 02, 2007 02:53 AM |
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The players who like it more the new world, are new players in HoMM, they just start with heroes 5.
Ummmmm....ignorant statement.
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Heroes 5 is the HoMM game with the lowest amount of features
Actually Heroes V is the one with the most features....maybe a few less creatures but that is changing with each expansion...nothing to cry about
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SwampLord
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Lord of the Swamp
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posted May 02, 2007 02:58 AM |
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Yes, all the sub-skills are quite entertaining and inventive.
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ChaosDragon
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posted May 02, 2007 11:26 AM |
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That added 4 new dragons, including the Azure, the coolest one ever
Imo megadragon has the coolest and most powerful ability, it's arc breath attack, the only downfall of megadragon is because they're walker. For me, megadragon is the strongest dragons ever created, they're truly a force of mass destruction.
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted May 02, 2007 01:04 PM |
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Heroes 4, right? Azure dragon had 1000 hp, those had 600, true?
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Deathy
Known Hero
Angels Galore
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posted May 02, 2007 01:19 PM |
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this whole topic is based on nothing but opinions really there are people who like some of the graphics and people who don't. you can't make everyone happy, but the most important thing is that majority is happy.
people who tell how great storylines the earlier HoMMs have, i don't know how they can really say that. i always got pretty empty feeling from the HoMM 3 campaigns, made me feel that what is the whole purpose of the fighting in the first place. especially in restoration of erathia, it all just felt like useless fighting with no real reason cept maybe to get some more land or power. not that great motive to keep going through the campaign
HoMM 4 wasn't maybe the best of the series but i loved it's campaign storylines. i was genually interested to go through the Emilia Nighthaven campaign, because her story was really interesting for me
those storylines are one of the reasons why i didn't consider the game to be that bad at all.(other reason being heroes on the battlefield)
Heroes 5 was able to keep the campaign storylines interesting for me, atleast all the campaigns ive played so far have been quite nice.
i myself feel overall that Heroes 5 was damn successful game. it has kept alot of the elements i loved in Heroes 3 and it brought some nice things from Heroes 4 aswell. tho i still kinda miss the heroes on the battlefield system from heroes 4. with some balancing, im sure it could have been really good system(like removal of some overpowered items POTION OF IMMORTALITY and lowering some stats)
as for the graphical part, i don't think this game has anything THAT horrific(well gargoyles do not look so great i agree but i can live with them lol) and in my opinion, some of the units look alot better than the ones in earlier games.(Angels not being middle aged hairy men is the first thing in my mind definetly )
and Heroes 5 using all the cliche themes? lol like HoMM 2 and 3 didn't do any of that the old games just screamed of used up stuff everywhere, face it people, it's hard to be original nowadays so we might atleast appreciate that the developers atleast try their best.
oh and whether Angels are asexual or not, i think myself that they look more females, i mean just check out the huge angel statue in Haven towns. that statue doesn't have the huge breastplate or whatever on it, showing the more feminine figures of the angels (tho i agree, it's not easy telling the difference just by looking at their faces haha)
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ChaosDragon
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posted May 02, 2007 05:46 PM |
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Heroes 4, right? Azure dragon had 1000 hp, those had 600, true?
Wrong, megadragons have the same battle stat as azure.
Azure Dragons:
Hp: 1000
Atk: 50
Def: 50
Dmg: 70-80
Best special: Fear (for me, it's a defensive special), and magic proof.
Megadragons:
Hp: 1000
Atk: 50
Def: 50
Dmg: 50-100
Best Special: Arc Breath Attack (far more offensive oriented than Fear, one blast from this special can destroy all your enemies, and you if you're not carefully place your creatures), and magic proof.
Even if both of them have the same power in paper, Mega is far stronger than azure, can azure easily defeated all enemy stacks with one blow? no, but mega can (arc breath attack rules).
The only downfall of megadragons: they can't fly, they have stupid name.
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Asheron
Famous Hero
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posted May 02, 2007 07:26 PM |
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Lol mega-giga-ultra-super dragon
Anyway you can't compare old games and say "those were way original" because back then there weren't many games of that style...
My point is,HoMM V is an excellent game,and that's that(although gargoyles could be better,but hey)
btw I apologize to Genie Lord,I accidentally insulted him
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Homer171
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted May 02, 2007 09:05 PM |
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Issue with HoMM 5?
Why allways complaining? This great game surpasses older versions in so many areas.
- Best Balance of all heroes games!
- Best Skill System - Best hero development system in the series (H4 was good also)
- Looks Great! - Creatures, Towns and World itself looks fantastic. (I don't like Academy but overall great looking game)
- Something New - Unique creature abilities, fanctions based on races, weaker lv7 creatures
I enjoy this game as mutch i enjoyed Heroes 3 when it was the newest in the series. Only what brings me back to play Heroes 3 sometimes is the 'classic factor', some friends still plays it, fast based game (hot seat here).
Heroes V is Online\Lan game rather than Hot Seat playable (Duels are fun tough). There arent many factors why would i prefer playing diffrent HoMM rather than Heroes V. Enjoy this great game.
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Yasmiel
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Former Chessmaster
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posted May 02, 2007 11:22 PM |
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Few of my cents (not counting h1)..
WEAKEST storyline & world (Best one being original H4 which was followed by ridiculous expansion story)
WEAKEST spell system (H4 had best one imho)
BORING factions & creatures (primarily i mean elvish and dwarvish ones)
GOOD hero development system.
GOOD tactical combat due to iniative bar.
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted May 02, 2007 11:23 PM |
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As I've said before, I have an issue with the world, not the game. The game's great. I'm not saying "Nival sUxorZ" or anything like that.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted May 03, 2007 12:20 AM |
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What's good about NWC world, it's too confusing, they features science fiction that makes no sense, i'm not againts sci-fi combined with fantasy (like final fantasy does), but the way NWC combine those two elements makes no sense to many people.
In NWC world, almost all things is still unknown, because NWC universe lack the foundation of a good universe, unlike the nival world, the nival world clearly has its foundation to avoid any confusion both to newcomers or the hardcore fans, even those that play both heroes and M&M from heroes 1 and M&M 1 did not know much about the ancients and NWC worlds. Unlike nival world, its genesis is clear.
Nival world is far better than the confusing NWC world. I will say it once again, i'm not againts sci-fi combined with fantasy, as long as they can combine it well (ex: final fantasy), i mean that there must be a clear balance beetwen very advanced technology and mythical technology (ex: in FF 10, summoners from zanarkand vs advanced tech of Bevelle, the summoners have more powers but bevelle have more numbers).
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