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posted April 10, 2008 11:50 AM |
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I think we may find that there is something more to what Binabik actually meant... I'm not sure
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posted April 10, 2008 12:34 PM |
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but it seems people can't behave when someone posts a controversial opinion (which he has the right to have).
Dude... claiming that 100 000 Japanese lifes are worth saving a single american isn't a controversial opinion it's racism at its finest. A controversial opinion would be:
"I think the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary and that the casualties were worth it as the bombs saved more people than died in the blasts" Heck that wouldn't even be controversial that'd be an opinion that has a functioning reasoning behind it (what you think of it is another story) but saying that the life of a Japanese (forget the outrageous fact that he even takes 100 000) is worth less than the one of a American is not controversial. Tell me which part isn't racist.
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posted April 10, 2008 12:48 PM |
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That looks racist at the eyes of all here,but well always some ppl will follow,and followed in the history,mass murderers,dictators but they didnt care maybe,also some ppl defend this kind of opinion no matter what tremendous or the subject it has,for their eyes seems "good"..
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What's so offensive in my response, the fact that Binabik's opinion was one-dimensional? What do you expect from me to say, when someone says 100,000 Japanese men should die if it saved one American?
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extreme case of a flat, one-dimensional thinking "they are evil and we are good, so let's slaughter them to the last man, woman and child"..
You're putting words into his mouth. You imply that he thinks they are evil and that it is therefore ok to "slaughter them to the last man, woman and child". There is nothing to support this.
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We can't behave? Quite lol. Of course we behave, do you see anyone flaming him?
It's pretty close as I see it.
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Dude... claiming that 100 000 Japanese lifes are worth saving a single american isn't a controversial opinion it's racism at its finest.
Is it? The reason for saying "If dropping the bomb killed 100,000 Japanese and saved one American life, then it was worth it." was not that they were Japanese. The reason was that Japan was the agressor; it has nothing to do with race.
I'm not saying that I agree with Binabik (I don't). The reaction he got just surprised me.
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posted April 10, 2008 01:42 PM |
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Is it? The reason for saying "If dropping the bomb killed 100,000 Japanese and saved one American life, then it was worth it." was not that they were Japanese. The reason was that Japan was the agressor; it has nothing to do with race.
Ok racist is the wrong word as he is being discreminating against the population of the agressor. Don't know how you call that. The thing is that it doesn't freakin matter if we are talking about japanese,chinese,russians,indians,germans,jews,muslims,americans, WHATEVER the thing is that he says:
The lifes of 100 000 humans (no matter the race)are worth saving one American (if they belong to the nation that attacked pearl harbour).
He'd said the same thing about french people if they'd been the one attacking pearl harbour for heavens sake! Why are we discussing this? The fact that what he is saying is extremly racist (or humanist whatever you want to call it) is indisputable.
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You're putting words into his mouth. You imply that he thinks they are evil and that it is therefore ok to "slaughter them to the last man, woman and child". There is nothing to support this.
I'm not sure whether you are right... first of all he does say it's ok to slaughter them to the last man,woman and child (implied in the 100 000 Japanese he doesn't differenciate) and about the "evil" part I'm not sure. I guess it's not literaly implied in the post but come on... for saying stuff like that you're not thinking of the victims to be angels. But again you may be correct there.
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posted April 10, 2008 02:09 PM |
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In general, discussions about a penalty should take place in a feedback thread, not in the thread itself.
So feel free to take this penalty discussion into the OSM feedback thread, and we can read some more opinions about it.
Here we should go back to the "muslim/terrorists?" topic instead of talking about WW2.
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posted April 13, 2008 09:23 AM |
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when did we talk about WW2?
HoMMie:Yes and No.
There are innocent blood spilt on both sides.
The point is im trying to make that in the conflict NOT both sides are seen.
Facts:
50% of the world is antisemite
the other 50% are Anti-arabic muslim
Fact: In the Ukraine and some parts of russia Antisemitism and Neonazism is still a common thing.
Fact:While israely top targets are high ranked Terrorist officers,There Top targets are old,women and childern,Civileans,and the more the mearer.
Fact:Innocent Dies on both sides
Fact:There is a game of politics both sides
Fact:Racism is still alive and quite high,esspacily towords everything that is not eurpean looks(arabic,black,asiatic ethnicy).
Fact;every peace of land israel has is being conquerd by blood.
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Israel murders arabs every day
Arabs murders israelys everyday
israel want arab lands for oil
You want to talk about lands?
after the british mandate came to an ending,the UN devided it into 2 counterys.
arabic and jewish.
The arabic nations did not accept that program,and started a war,which they lost in,meny terrorys,but they warent exiled,they left volenterily
in 67 we took the half island Sinai but we gave it back.
Everywar started,not By us,but By the opposite side.
Why is this not noted?
why nobody speaks about that?
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posted April 13, 2008 12:05 PM |
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50% of the world is antisemite
the other 50% are Anti-arabic muslim
So... technically, since I'm ok with Arabs and I actually like Jews, I don't exist? 
I think you're being paranoid there. Most of the world is neutral about the entire conflict. The rest supports either Jews or Arabs, but that doesn't automatically mean they hate the other side.
There are antisemites, religious fanatics etcetera, but they do not constitute the majority of the world.
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50% of the world is antisemite
the other 50% are Anti-arabic muslim
That's just nonsense. I am neither. And the vast majority of people I know aren't either. Maybe 0.001% is antisemitic, and 0.01% is anti-Muslim.
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The arabic nations did not accept that program,and started a war,which they lost in,meny terrorys,but they warent exiled,they left volenterily
Tell me, what right did the Israelis have to even half of that territory?
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posted April 14, 2008 11:04 AM |
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Just for the record, I want to say that I'm an Israeli too, and some things that anti said make sense, but I really disagree with that "fact" that 50% of the world hates us.
I want to bring a story from the bible, just to show you in what place we are. I really don't like when people use those stories from the bible, but on the other hand, it's very useful, since it's so far behind us so people can see everything neutrally. 
There was a tribe named Amalek, that lived in Israel and Jordan, until about 1000 BC. It was destroyed in the days of Shaul the king, according to the God's order. Why it was destoryed?
Because while the people of Israel were walking in the desert, after they had exited Egypt, the Amalek attacked them, but they attacked the back of the convoy; where the pregnant women walked, where the old people walked, where the kids walked. They didn't attack the men and the teenagres, like a fair army. They attacked the weak and the innocent.
The Amalek was destroyed about 200 years after that happened. That was such of a hard sin, to be remembered 200 years later.
The Amalek did almost what the Palastinians are doing nowadays. They attack the weak and the innocent.
They don't try to fight our soldiers, to oppose them in any way. They go to the large cities, and blow at malls, shopping centers, etc.
Like anti said, our target is the terrorists, and theirs is the innocent people. Sometimes, when we kill a guarded terrorist, people around him get hurt as well, but that what happens. We shoot at the people who launch the rockets to our cities on the south, and sometimes, they send kids to bring back the launcher. So once or twice, we shot a group of rocket launchers, and found out that we shot a bunch of kids.
I'm not saying to go and to destroy the Palastinians like the Amalek, but I want to show you that what they are doing is just not right. In the ancient areas, they would we destroyed for that.
Now I can see you saying "but they have no choise". But they have choise. They can fight those soldiers, and they can kill people who did nothing wrong for them, and actually, the first option would help them more, but they still choose to kill the innocent.
And to the general subject of the thread:
I think that Muslims are not terrorist. There are groups of terrorists among the muslims, but let's not generalize. 
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posted April 14, 2008 11:27 AM |
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Unfortunately Genie, it is so easy to generalize. I mean, why actually consider people as individuals? Nah lets just put labels on them, that way we don't actually have to think. Heaven forbid that we actually give people the benifit of the doubt.
Yes, I am a bit bitter about labels . Been labeled several nasty things in my life. Yes terrorism is wrong, mindlessly killing people regardless of if they done something or not is wrong whoever does it.
You would think that after awhile the ones who ARE doing it would start to wonder why somebody like Bin Laden doesn't suicide bomb. I mean, if he feels so strongly about it, why doesn't he do it also? Let me guess..he is a 'chosen one' for bigger and better things. And they don't wonder about this. Simple, he is a coward, and wants others to do his dirty work. Pure and simple.
Then again, Bush isn't any better. You think for one second he'd let the war continue if one of his children (or he himself) had to go fight? Pfft, please. He'd stop the war so fast that the Flash would say "Hun what was that? It was too fast to see."
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Yes, I am a bit bitter about labels . Been labeled several nasty things in my life. Yes terrorism is wrong, mindlessly killing people regardless of if they done something or not is wrong whoever does it.
You would think that after awhile the ones who ARE doing it would start to wonder why somebody like Bin Laden doesn't suicide bomb. I mean, if he feels so strongly about it, why doesn't he do it also? Let me guess..he is a 'chosen one' for bigger and better things. And they don't wonder about this. Simple, he is a coward, and wants others to do his dirty work. Pure and simple.
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posted April 14, 2008 01:31 PM |
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even half of that territory?
1:Legacy
2:UN decided
3:Loot of war.
The same reason that now USA exists
The same reaso why mexico existed
The same reason why scotland is part of the Uk
When one countery counqerd terriotorys from another by war why isent them blaimed to retrive?
and you say your neither? u just said ur anti israely
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posted April 14, 2008 02:02 PM |
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Now I can see you saying "but they have no choise". But they have choise. They can fight those soldiers
But then they would have no chances of winning.
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So? Native Americans have a history of living on US territory. Does that mean that we should give it back to them?
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UN decided to take the Palestinians' land away. And look at the result!
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The war came after the Israelis decided to take the land away.
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When one countery counqerd terriotorys from another by war why isent them blaimed to retrive?
I'm not asking Israel to give that land back. I am asking for Israelis to understand that the reason that they have such trouble with the Palestinians is because of what they did to them.
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I am not anti-Israeli.
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posted April 14, 2008 02:14 PM |
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So? Native Americans have a history of living on US territory. Does that mean that we should give it back to them?
I vote yes 
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posted April 14, 2008 04:20 PM |
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So? Native Americans have a history of living on US territory. Does that mean that we should give it back to them?
I vote yes
seconded, they were there first.
but that does mean you get lots and lots of idiots back in europe...
maybe put them all in a small island and let them kill each other off.
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posted April 14, 2008 05:31 PM |
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So? Native Americans have a history of living on US territory. Does that mean that we should give it back to them?
So why should we give back our territory to the Palestinians?
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The arabic nations did not accept that program,and started a war,which they lost in,meny terrorys,but they warent exiled,they left volenterily
Tell me, what right did the Israelis have to even half of that territory?
What rights do the american have to even half of that territory?
Don't go against yourself.
Edit: If you're planning to tell that the Palestinians were in all over the country while the Native Americans were only in a small part - that's simply false. 85% of the Palestinians lived in Yehuda, Shomron and Gaza, and they still live there until today. Israel has even given them the control on those areas.
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posted April 14, 2008 09:53 PM |
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So? Native Americans have a history of living on US territory. Does that mean that we should give it back to them?
I vote yes
No. I'm not giving up my territory.
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So why should we give back our territory to the Palestinians?
You shouldn't. I'm not saying that you should.
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What rights do the american have to even half of that territory?
None. But the fact is that we already live there, so it would be wrong to make us leave. Just as it would be wrong to make the Israelis leave Israel, even though they took it from the Palestinians. But they have to understand that their taking of Israel is what's causing all of this violence.
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posted April 14, 2008 09:58 PM |
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So because the new immigrants to America systematically wiped out the natives to the point they couldn't react much means that they should go off without blame?
maybe Israel should follow the example of the Immigrants? (I understand your point of course, But your argument is contradictory)
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posted April 14, 2008 10:43 PM |
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Is "natives" referred to the first human race living in a specific area?
Are the americans natives of the moon then?
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