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posted January 07, 2008 05:13 PM |
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I read Koran. What I meant was it was really disturbing to see those random quotes written down together.
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posted January 07, 2008 09:53 PM |
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Kosovo has been Serbian for 12 centuries! We had our religious objects there when the Albanians didn't even know they are Albanian. We couldn't have took Kosovo from them. Their country was first under the rule of the Serbian empire also 7 centuries ago. Then it became Turk, just as Serbia, Bulgaria and any other country on the Balkans (exept Croatia and Slovenia, they were under the Habsburg monarchy). Then Albania was proclamed a country. We never took anything from them. And we never did anything to harm them.
The Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, and modern Macedonians migrated to what is now the former Yugoslavia. Before they migrated, who do you think lived there? The ancestors of the Albanians.
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posted January 07, 2008 10:16 PM |
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Miloshevich was only one example. Serbs have been just as bad to Albanians as Albanians have been to Serbs. Remember that Albanians were there first, and that Serbs took the land from them.
Kosovo has been Serbian for 12 centuries! We had our religious objects there when the Albanians didn't even know they are Albanian. We couldn't have took Kosovo from them. Their country was first under the rule of the Serbian empire also 7 centuries ago. Then it became Turk, just as Serbia, Bulgaria and any other country on the Balkans (exept Croatia and Slovenia, they were under the Habsburg monarchy). Then Albania was proclamed a country. We never took anything from them. And we never did anything to harm them.
we can say the same.
we lived in israel 2000 years ago,when it was called a kingdom of israelites,when it was devided to israel and judah. and when israel was counqerd and then when judah was counqred.but it wasoriginally ours before palastinans been there right?
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this i dont get: why do they need so meny countrys,how are albaninans differnt from montenegros,and from croatia? or am i just colutrel ignorant,im sorry if theese insults any memmber here.i just do not know of what so meny slavo-muslim countrys in one area are need under differnt name and rule. Unite them all,or migrate into one.
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posted January 07, 2008 10:36 PM |
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Kosovo has been Serbian for 12 centuries! We had our religious objects there when the Albanians didn't even know they are Albanian. We couldn't have took Kosovo from them. Their country was first under the rule of the Serbian empire also 7 centuries ago. Then it became Turk, just as Serbia, Bulgaria and any other country on the Balkans (exept Croatia and Slovenia, they were under the Habsburg monarchy). Then Albania was proclamed a country. We never took anything from them. And we never did anything to harm them.
The Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, and modern Macedonians migrated to what is now the former Yugoslavia. Before they migrated, who do you think lived there? The ancestors of the Albanians.
Incorrect. The ancestors of Albanians aren't Illyrian as they themselves called it to expand their territory. Their language is of Thracian genessis. This proves that they have lived in Thracia and later, migrated to the land they inhabit now. But, even if they did live there, they never did anything to identify themselves. There was no war against the 'ilyrians'. We made something to mark ourselves! We never 'took' any land from them by violance nor war. If they did the same thing to Kosovo, I mean, be peacefull and care of our religious objects and people, we would let them have Kosovo, even if it is against the law.
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posted January 07, 2008 10:38 PM |
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It Grabs the headlines, Noone of importance will sympathize with someone who blows himself up , And the people of isreal (like me, for the most part) already hate the arabs who would support and do this thing, which is a sizable minority (20-30% if i remember correctly) And that hate is often transferred directly to the arabs as a whole, So it doesnt even change the level of hate already there- It does nothing at all except lengthen the conflict, and unless those people are bloody idiots they will at least try to stop the insane suicide-bombers
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posted January 07, 2008 10:51 PM |
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this i dont get: why do they need so meny countrys,how are albaninans differnt from montenegros,and from croatia? or am i just colutrel ignorant,im sorry if theese insults any memmber here.i just do not know of what so meny slavo-muslim countrys in one area are need under differnt name and rule. Unite them all,or migrate into one.
Serbs never opposed that idea. But, maybe they should have. But our people has many differences from the Croatian or Slovenian and not even to talk about Albanian. Bosnia is a land of Serbs, islamized Serbs and Croats. I don't want to offend the Macedonian people, but Macedonians really are a mix of many nations. Many people considered Montenegrians and Serbs one nation, but Montenegrins wanted to separate. In the middle ages, only Bosnia, Serbia and Bulgaria were free. Slovenia and Croatia were under the rule of (H)ungary. After the Balkan wars, Serbs had their own kingdom, later to form the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians (SHS). Serbs agreed to this unity. And after WWII, the same country existed, the communist Yugoslavia (no longer the monarchy). And in the '90, Serbs weren't the ones that wanted to split up. We stayed in the united country until it ended. So, my guess is that we never should have united, because they fooled us at the end. Everybody wants to be on his own now, the Slav unity is long forgoten. Pity...
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posted January 08, 2008 12:44 AM |
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Incorrect. The ancestors of Albanians aren't Illyrian as they themselves called it to expand their territory. Their language is of Thracian genessis. This proves that they have lived in Thracia and later, migrated to the land they inhabit now.
Many scientists say that the Illyrians and Thracians were the same or a very close people.
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But, even if they did live there, they never did anything to identify themselves. There was no war against the 'ilyrians'. We made something to mark ourselves! We never 'took' any land from them by violance nor war. If they did the same thing to Kosovo, I mean, be peacefull and care of our religious objects and people, we would let them have Kosovo, even if it is against the law.
Well, the Roman Empire fought and conquered them, the Byzantines fought and conquered them, then came the Bulgars, Serbs, and Croats and basically occupied their land without much fighting. But it was their land they occupied. Of course, the Thraco-Daco-Illyrians are/were Indo-Europeans, so they came and took the land from someone else, but...
Regarding the various Balkan countries:
Slovenia-Slovenes. Ruled by Croatia first, then included in the Holy Roman Empire, then inclluded in Austria, then Austria-Hungary. Then part of it was ruled by Italy, and part by Yugoslavia. After WWII, it became ruled entirely by Yugoslavia. Then it broke away.
Croatia-Croats and some Serbs. Croats came from White Croatia in what is now eastern Germany. They were independent for a while, then ruled by the Ottoman Empire, then by Hungary and Austria-Hungary. Then it became part of Yugoslavia until it fell apart.
Bosnia-Croats, Serbs, and Muslim Serbs (Bosniaks). Historically shared between Serbia and Croatia. Was ruled by the Ottoman Empire, then by Austria-Hungary. Became part of Yugoslavia until it fell apart. Is now divided into two units, Republika Srpska (Serbian Republic, populated by Serbs) and Federacija Bosne i Hercegovine/Ôåäåðàöè¼à Áîñíå è Õåðöåãîâèíå (Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, populated by Croats and Bosniaks).
Serbia-Serbs. Serbs came from White Serbia, now known as Lusatia/Lausitz/Łužica/Łužyca/Łużyce/Lužice, on the border of Germany, Poland, and Czechia. They were ruled by the Bulgars, if I'm not mistaken, and the Byzantine Empire, then they had a tsardom of their own. Then they were conquered by the Ottoman Empire, then became independent. It became the core of Yugoslavia. When Yugoslavia fell apart, there remained only Serbia and Montenegro, which also fell apart recently. Serbia also contains Albanian (Kosovar), Hungrian, Romanian, Bulgarian, and Rusyn minorities.
Montenegro-Populated by Montenegrins, who share a common origin with Serbs. Many Montenegrins consider themselves Serbs. Was part of Serbia, Byzantine Empire, and Ottoman Empire. Became independent, then became part of Yugoslavia. Now is independent.
Macedonia-Populated by Macedonians, considered by many Bulgarians to be Bulgarians. Was part of Bulgaria, Byzantine Empire, Serbia, Ottoman Empire, then Serbia again. Was part of Yugoslavia until it collapsed. Contains some Albanians and a Turkish minority.
Bulgaria-Populated by Bulgarians, a mix of Thracians, Bulgars, and neighboring Slavic groups. Thracians were there when the Bulgars came. Bulgars were a Turkic people from the steppes of Russia. Bulgaria speaks a South Slavic language, though. Was independent, then ruled by Byzantine Empire, then Ottoman Empire, then became independent. Was not part of Yugoslavia. Contains a Turkish minority.
Albania-Populated by Albanians, who are not Slavs but of Thraco-Daco-Illyrian descent. They used to live all over the Balkans, but now only remain in Albania and Kosovo. Were not part of Yugoslavia.
Romania-Populated by Romanians, descended from Thraco-Daco-Illyrians and Romans. Speak Romanian, a language descended from Latin. Were ruled by Bulgars and Eastern Slavs, then the Ottoman Empire. Were not part of Yugoslavia. Contain a Hungarian minority.
Greece-Populated by Greeks, descended from Ancient Greeks and Slavs. Speak Greek. Ruled by Byzantine Empire, then Ottoman Empire, then became independent.
In Communist times, Yugoslavia (Slovenia-Croatia-Bosnia-Serbia-Montenegro-Macedonia) broke free of Soviet control and was independent, Albania was pro-Chinese, and Romania and Bulgaria were pro-Soviet, though under Nicolae Ceauşescu it was semi-independent. Now Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia, and Greece are part of the European Union, and the others may put themselves on the road to join it.
I hope that cleared things up.
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posted January 08, 2008 03:21 PM |
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Greece-Populated by Greeks, descended from Ancient Greeks and Slavs. Speak Greek. Ruled by Byzantine Empire, then Ottoman Empire, then became independent.
At one point, it was ruled by Car Dušan Silni, the king of Serbs and Greeks.
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posted January 09, 2008 09:48 PM |
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I forgot about Dushan. Well, he only ruled briefly, and not over the whole of Greece.
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posted January 09, 2008 11:27 PM |
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this is confussing.
how is montenegro and albania are differnt from croatia? i mean all 3 share muslim mijorty of muslim people of slavic ethenicy right?
serbia,ceckh republic,slovakia and bosne and hertzgovina are christiian mijorty of slavic thenciy right along with bulgaria and polland.
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posted January 10, 2008 12:03 AM |
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Albanians are Muslims but not Slavs.
Croatia has no considerable Muslim minority.
Bosnia is 1/3 Slav Muslim.
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posted January 10, 2008 09:21 AM |
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i ment crotia has slav majortiy (the opposite of minority).
if so what are the nighbooring countrys feeling about kosovo indepedecne?
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posted January 11, 2008 08:06 PM |
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They wanna get good with the USA so Croatia and Slovenia probably support it. Our brothers, Montenegrians I think probably support it, still I am not sure. Rumunians don't like to face the reallity, they banned a picture of a ruined monastery from an exibition without any explanation. Hungaria is pro-USA so we expect simmilar from them and I am not sure about Bulgaria. They toast to Big Albania and Albanian terror.
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posted January 11, 2008 10:01 PM |
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Maybe it'd be better if Serbia became independent. The worst thing that Serbia could do is to try to go to war to prevent it. America fought its Civil War and was worse off for it. Many died and the economy was wrecked. And the Union got stuck with a reactionary poor area in the South. In fact, aggressive wars are never worth it. (Defensive wars are nearly always worth it.)
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posted January 12, 2008 02:53 AM |
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, aggressive wars are never worth it.
Failed aggresive wars are never worth it(obviously), Most of the succesful expansion wars like that of rome and the crusades where worth it, They failed overall, But they made a huge amount of money while they lasted. I suppose it wasnt worth it for the generations coming later, But for those who caused it it was.
England only became a powerful and advanced country because the normans conquered it, The fact still stands today.
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posted January 12, 2008 03:19 PM |
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Maybe it'd be better if Serbia became independent. The worst thing that Serbia could do is to try to go to war to prevent it. America fought its Civil War and was worse off for it. Many died and the economy was wrecked. And the Union got stuck with a reactionary poor area in the South. In fact, aggressive wars are never worth it. (Defensive wars are nearly always worth it.)
You mean from hers center? I'm not speaking of war, but one thing is for sure: Kosovo will stay Serbian!
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posted January 30, 2008 09:37 PM |
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Failed aggresive wars are never worth it(obviously), Most of the succesful expansion wars like that of rome and the crusades where worth it,
Firstly, the Crusades weren't successful. Secondly, you have to think back to the Roman Empire for a successful aggressive war. Think about a successful aggressive war in the last hundred years. World War I? Germany lost. World War II? Germany lost. Korea? North Korea lost. Vietnam? America lost. Sino-Vietnamese War? China lost. Persian Gulf War? Iraq lost.
Aggressive wars are very rarely successful in the short run. It is even more rare for them to be successful in the long run.
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You mean from hers center? I'm not speaking of war, but one thing is for sure: Kosovo will stay Serbian!
Are you willing to fight for it? Are you willing to commit ethnic cleansing for it (it wouldn't be the first time)? If you know what's good for you, you will let Kosovo go.
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posted January 30, 2008 10:09 PM |
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Bulgaria-Populated by Bulgarians, a mix of Thracians, Bulgars, and neighboring Slavic groups. Thracians were there when the Bulgars came. Bulgars were a Turkic people from the steppes of Russia. Bulgaria speaks a South Slavic language, though. Was independent, then ruled by Byzantine Empire, then Ottoman Empire, then became independent. Was not part of Yugoslavia. Contains a Turkish minority.
1. The Thracians - part of the bulgarian nation - this is just old historical myth.
2. Bulgarians are NOT turcks, and not from the stepps of Russia.
3. Bulgaria was ruled for 456 years by the Ottoman Empire, and for 150 years by the Byzantine Empire. The first Bulgarian Empire was on the euro map for the period 632-1018, the second Bulgarian Empire 1185-1422, and the third was Kingdom - 1878-1946, now we are republic. The periods are valid only for Danube Bulgaria. (there were 12 bulgarian states in the history, Danube Bulgaria is the only one today)
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They were ruled by the Bulgars, if I'm not mistaken, and the Byzantine Empire, then they had a tsardom of their own.
Serbia was tsardom only during the times of Stefan Dushan.
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Macedonia-Populated by Macedonians, considered by many Bulgarians to be Bulgarians. Was part of Bulgaria, Byzantine Empire, Serbia, Ottoman Empire, then Serbia again. Was part of Yugoslavia until it collapsed. Contains some Albanians and a Turkish minority.
Wrong. But you'll never get my point and I dont want to discussion this here.
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posted January 30, 2008 10:51 PM |
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Hey,so by this all,by serb means Kosovo should have never existed as it is serb territory and the ppl there could go anywhere,even to hell,and so the Serbians can live alone in their lands.
AKA:Isn't this simmiliar to Milosevic's policy?
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posted January 30, 2008 10:54 PM |
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Bosnia is 1/3 Slav Muslim.
After it was cleansed.
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