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violent_flower
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posted April 14, 2008 05:01 PM |
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What is Wrong W/People
I have three children of my own and upon seeing the disturbing videos of the 8 teenage girls in Florida that beat down a girl they had lured into the home just so it could get viewed on the internet; I just wanted to hold my kids tighter. What kind of place are we sending them out into? Was it this bad when I was growing up and I just did not see it?
We had school yard fights one on one, we never ambushed anyone or kidnapped them, (another charge they are facing). These girls are being charged as adults now and could face life in prison. This is also sad for them and for the parents to have to go through. This girl was beat for thirty minutes while two of the male boys stood guard at the front door. She tried to leave they knocked her unconscious and then drug her onto the couch where after she awoke they beat her some more. All over a Facebook taunting or something.
I just remember getting into fights but they latest two minutes before a teacher was dragging you off of them. My son goes to high school and five people were beating on an eight month old pregnant girl, the teachers are not allowed to touch the kids it has to be a rent a cop or an administrator of some kind. So this girl just laid there and got beat, my son watched but knows that if he were to get involved he too would have gotten suspended.
I’m scared for my children and all I can hope for is that I raised to respect life more than that.
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posted April 14, 2008 05:40 PM |
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People don't think of the consequences of their actions. That's what is wrong. They don't stop to think how much they are harming others or the risks they are taking. Take these stupid cheerleaders for example. They wanted to have a video on Youtube and they got it. Too bad they didn't stop and consider they may be charged with battery, conspiracy to commit battery, kidnapping, assault, and all sorts of fun other things. And they sure as Hell didn't even stop to consider the pain they inflicted on the victim.
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violent_flower
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posted April 14, 2008 06:36 PM |
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Maybe when they start charging them as adults this may have a shock value to it that will make others think. However two of them were 18. In some states you can't charge a child with any crime under thirteen.
The third grade class that just conspired to beat up their teacher and brought anything from crystal paper weights to duck tape to get the job done. They even had the windows taped off with news paper so they could clean the mess up without anyone seeing them. They will not be charged with anything.
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The_Gootch
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posted April 14, 2008 07:12 PM |
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I see an inconsistency in the way we handle juvenile justice.
On one hand we say that juveniles are not adults. They're not capable of making adult decisions. This lack of rational thinking and fully understanding the consequences of one's actions is a bedrock of childhood, adolescence, and in the case of half the posters here, well into the early 20s.
So, a thirteen year old who committed murder didn't fully understand the what it was they were doing. But some crimes were so horrific that laws were changed so that children could be charged as adults.
Here's the screwy part, and it's parents I believe like you Violent Flower, who want to enjoy some kind of double standard.
You say children are adult enough to stand to be charged for crimes as adults but not adult enough to make a decision whether or not to have sex. This is a hypocrisy that stuns me. You say a 12 year old girl should be allowed to be tried as adult? Okay, why can't she make the decision then to have sex with a man?
Which is it? Are children adults? Are juveniles adults? Or are they in their own separate category and therefore deserving of special protections of the law, even when they do horrible things?
You mention putting the fear of god into kids to try to convince them to behave better. Trying juveniles as adults has been around for a generation. That doesn't seem to stop the flow. You say that society has become more violent. I disagree. I think you have that perception because this is the age of the Information Superhighway and it's only picking up speed. YOu have more access to snippets of information than you ever have before.
Why did those girls do what they did? Well, they say they wanted to be famous. Does that sound like the thinking of rational adults to you? They wanted to become e-celebrities. They are a product of their environment because they have grown up in a culture that promotes celebrity worship. You want to effect change? Then pay attention to your children and how they react to this culture of the celebrity. That's all you have in your power to do.
Dumb things like trying kids as adults won't solve anything. It is a short-sighted fix to a long term problem.
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antipaladin
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posted April 14, 2008 09:26 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 22:47, 14 Apr 2008.
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On one hand we say that juveniles are not adults. They're not capable of making adult decisions. This lack of rational thinking and fully understanding the consequences of one's actions is a bedrock of childhood, adolescence, and in the case of half the posters here, well into the early 20s.
To make an exception of it,to teach other childern the moral understanding the grown ups do.no not flawless,but working.
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So, a thirteen year old who committed murder didn't fully understand the what it was they were doing. But some crimes were so horrific that laws were changed so that children could be charged as adults.
So what you seggest,if a 12 year old boy kills someone over petty argument we should just ground him for a week without computer..?
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Here's the screwy part, and it's parents I believe like you Violent Flower, who want to enjoy some kind of double standard.
You say children are adult enough to stand to be charged for crimes as adults but not adult enough to make a decision whether or not to have sex. This is a hypocrisy that stuns me. You say a 12 year old girl should be allowed to be tried as adult? Okay, why can't she make the decision then to have sex with a man?
Which is it? Are children adults? Are juveniles adults? Or are they in their own separate category and therefore deserving of special protections of the law, even when they do horrible things?
You mention putting the fear of god into kids to try to convince them to behave better. Trying juveniles as adults has been around for a generation. That doesn't seem to stop the flow. You say that society has become more violent. I disagree. I think you have that perception because this is the age of the Information Superhighway and it's only picking up speed. YOu have more access to snippets of information than you ever have before.
A point there,but thats why i think that the age of which sex is allowed and not as stationery rape,and the 'minor-adult' age should be varid and changed from 18,to the teenagers ,and hes perents desicion,and signature,then you would not need something horrid to happen to change laws.
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Why did those girls do what they did? Well, they say they wanted to be famous. Does that sound like the thinking of rational adults to you?
Yes. Tell me,no adult sane or insane ever did the same or simmiler act out of the same excat reason??
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Dumb things like trying kids as adults won't solve anything. It is a short-sighted fix to a long term problem.
Like I said,humenity and social stracture of it,have yet to come up to a better solution.
What do i think about it? Horrible,speachless and vile,such acts are not new to me,more suprising is the constently reducing age of the defended youth.
p.s. as for double standerts,its a tottaly humane state of mind.
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posted April 14, 2008 09:40 PM |
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Have you ever had that feeling, you talk to someone alone, private and the person seems like a good fellow..
Then the mates shows up and the person becomes an snow and you wanna remove the head just because the person can't handle group pressure...
There is your mistake... The groups.
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roy-algriffin
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posted April 14, 2008 09:46 PM |
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Some people under 18 do not have the rational sense to understand their decisions.
That does not mean its not necessary to deter others from making the same decision and that the people in question aren't dangerous to society as a whole.
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antipaladin
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posted April 14, 2008 10:07 PM |
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Some people under 18
and why should all suffer becouse of 'some'?
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violent_flower
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posted April 14, 2008 10:35 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 22:49, 14 Apr 2008.
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Ok Gootch here we go!
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I see an inconsistency in the way we handle juvenile justice.
The courts have stated that at eighteen you’re an adult in some states and others you can be convicted of murder at ten. This is an inconsistency but I think it exists because we are unable to decide the maturity level in which one has at any age really. Sure shrinks can put their two cents in but really one twelve year may have been raised to know that beating another child with seven others is wrong and the other child has never been taught that. Or they have and just don’t care.
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On one hand we say that juveniles are not adults. They're not capable of making adult decisions. This lack of rational thinking and fully understanding the consequences of one's actions is a bedrock of childhood, adolescence, and in the case of half the posters here, well into the early 20s.
Every state is different, I was married at sixteen and did not know till I was much older that at that age I had no business playing adult. But a state determined that through the permission of mother (who was on a lot of drugs) that I was mature enough to get married. We do not have the capability at that age to fully understand and it is not until we have many life experiences do we really get an understanding. Loosing things in our life that we did not realize were all that important.
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Here's the screwy part, and it's parents I believe like you Violent Flower, who want to enjoy some kind of double standard.
You say children are adult enough to stand to be charged for crimes as adults but not adult enough to make a decision whether or not to have sex. This is a hypocrisy that stuns me. You say a 12 year old girl should be allowed to be tried as adult? Okay, why can't she make the decision then to have sex with a man?
I think it depends on the child’s level of maturity, their mental history, the crime that they did and the reasons. There is no clear cut answer to this. Those girls got seven other together (remember they are all 15,16 and 18 years of age not twelve) and lured her into their home knocked her unconscious then drug her onto the couch where upon her waking up beat her again. They had two 18 year old boys stand guard. This was completely premeditated not an act of violence out of self-defense or a spur of the moment crime.
There are two stories, one that states they wanted to be famous the other one is because the girl was taunting them on myspace or facebook and they were going to make her pay. I love my daughter but if she did this I would have to let the law take her somewhere out of society because she would now be a danger to others around her. Having sex and beating someone are two completely different issues.
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Dumb things like trying kids as adults won't solve anything. It is a short-sighted fix to a long term problem.
This might be correct however they still have to face consequences for what they did regardless of how short term it is.
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Aculias
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posted April 14, 2008 11:16 PM |
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It just goes all the way back to the parents who does not show the kids right from wrong.
Some want thier kids to be stronger.
Parents the age of myself.
If parents or whoever is the guardian let thier kids get away with stuff like this, then they think it's funny.
They dont care about consequences & they have a hard time learning.
Basically if the parents dont give a crap, then why should the kids.
Kids need discipline.
No wonder kids are losing respect while the yrs go by.
Seems they were more respecful going back in time.
The further the time goes the more disrespectful kids become.
Not all but a good majority.
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roy-algriffin
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posted April 14, 2008 11:53 PM |
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I think its more to do with the Individualist nature that people have today. The I don't need you to be successful and i don't need you to help me achieve anything nature and most important the idea that its not beneficial for people to respect each other (A great misconception)
Arguably more important is teaching people the benefits of being polite rather then the punishments
In other words, we've moved away from when families were sacred and you would have to give yourself to them at all costs, and that nations were more important then you etc, we've moved away from mental and cultural communism really.
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mvassilev
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posted April 15, 2008 12:20 AM |
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I disagree completely with the above post. Individualism is, generally, a good thing, and nationalism a very bad one. The problem is that people in general have become more short-sighted. They take immediate pleasure at something, not realising that they could do better if they delayed consumption (metaphorically speaking).
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Aculias
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posted April 15, 2008 12:36 AM |
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I disagree with both of yall.
Those problems have been going on for decades.
This is a problem with peoples ego's & big heads & when they have kids, they let them do what they want & they make it OK for them to hurt others.
As long as they dont get hurt, then others will be ok.
This world is getting worst & worst & the parents dont help much.
Parents with past reflections from disabilities or anger etc.
It reflects on a childs life.
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william
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posted April 15, 2008 06:44 AM |
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That might be true Aculias, but what about those parents that have done the right things but the child still makes the bad decisions? I don't think it is only the parents fault, but it is the people who the child hangs around that might influence them to do the wrong behaviour.
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Aculias
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posted April 15, 2008 06:53 AM |
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It's society though & technology where we love in now.
Kids have been pure pressured for decades but the environment was alot different from the 60's then now.
Plus all the video games & some celebrities dont make it much easiar with thier bad influence.
If you dont believe me, show everyone that video again with you playing Grand Theft Auto.
Thats just one example.
Point is that society is changing every decade.
It changes too much as it seems.
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william
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posted April 15, 2008 08:53 AM |
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lol that video of me playing GTA was me just mucking around. I don't act like that all the time.
But I do agree with you that technology does affect the people today.
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Aculias
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posted April 15, 2008 08:55 AM |
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I dont know. It just seems like people change with the flow of time.
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Mytical
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posted April 15, 2008 08:57 AM |
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What is wrong with people? Goodness, where to start? How do you choose just a few things? I don't think that there is enough memory on HC's board to detail all the things wrong with people. Of course, there are good things also. 
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Trogdor
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posted April 15, 2008 09:52 AM |
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With the increase in cyber-bullying, it is more commmon for these underage beatings to be filmed just for the sake of a few ratings on YouTube or Metacafe or perhaps DailyMotion to cater for the likes of the sadistic. Usually and I see links to this kind of stuff I never click on them for the sake of being unfair fights and too stupid for me to watch. If I were to watch a fight I'd go watch some WWE. It's fakeness may be an advantage to the brawls we see on the web these days.
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homam
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posted April 15, 2008 06:54 PM |
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It's all in our age.The "problem" is that our age is is very fast,a "rain" of informations,cellphones, internet, TV, fashion and all that crap with the idols.Even if parents grow up their kids with the "right" standars they can't do much.It's the wave of our age.
For me the biggest step to this at least to my country/soiety came with cellphones.Life was much simple without these machine.More innocence.I'm in my hometown now for orthodox's easter vacations and i see everywhere girls dressed like women.Girls about 12 yo dressed like 20 with make up and all these things.And they are just kids.Boys left their balls and the yards to play mmorpgs for hours in the net cafes if they are lucky and not have connection in their homes.At least they are in net cafes instead of their rooms.
But i do hope for better days.I think it's a circle.If we look back we'll see the different ages.The strict age of 50ies for example and then the free age of 70ies when all came to another way of acting and thinking.You think it was more for the parents who were growning their kids in the 70ies than now.
We only have to wait and see.I hope i'm not very wrong
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