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posted May 06, 2008 10:04 PM |
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The fact is that Bush should be impeached and sent to prison for life for what he has lied about. We should not be fighting anyone. However up until the war I never did any research on the mentality of some of the sick things that they believe, makes me puke, Arab or not, I don’t give two pieces of cow dung,.
On that note a comment about the sign in question. It was funny to me because here we are at war with them and then they are in return guarding our home ports. You would think that we wouldn’t have that sort of trust considering the possible connections they have. It would be like being in a war with Japs and then having them guarding our boarders, come on, there is humor in that. Jesus we don't have to always be so PC (politically correct) do we?
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posted May 06, 2008 11:13 PM |
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here we are with them
No. We're not fighting Arabs. We're fighting insurgents who happen to be Arabs.
Then again, this sign is humorous. But it's only funny because it showcases the ignorance and stupidity some people have. If there's anyone in the Middle East that hates us, signs like this are a manifestation of part of the reason.
Also, did you know that "Jap" is a racial slur?
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posted May 06, 2008 11:16 PM |
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Jap may sound racist to you however it is just a short version of Japanese to me. To lazy to type it out is all. Again calm down with proper PC already.
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posted May 06, 2008 11:29 PM |
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"Jap." or "JP" is short for "Japanese". "Jap" is a racial slur.
And we don't have to be PC. We just shouldn't be ridiculously racist. Saying "Jap" is like saying the n-word, except less common.
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posted May 07, 2008 05:07 AM |
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Ridiculous is reading into something that is not there.
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posted May 07, 2008 05:16 AM |
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Arabs are not guarding our ports. From my hazy recollection some company from the United Arab Emirates (or maybe Yemen or maybe Saudi Arabia) was going to operate some of our ports a few years ago. But from the huge backlash that resulted, that deal was nixed.
And no, it isn't racist to question the wisdom of letting Arabs operate our ports, just as it isn't racist to require Arabs and have them to take off their shoes so they may be inspected when they go through metal detectors at airports.
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posted May 07, 2008 05:21 AM |
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Racial profiling is there for a reason. I for one would require them to take their own airline.... ArabAir. That is what I would name it then have it flown by the Air Marshal's all armed and ready to lock and load. At least then we would have a choice if we want to fly with them..
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posted May 07, 2008 05:29 AM |
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THE FREAK FOUND NOT GUILTY
NEVERLAND CHICKEN RANCH NOW OPEN FOR BUSINESS
YOUNG BOYS WANTED FOR FREE DRINKS AND SLEEP OVERS.
This one cracked me the hell up…. Good old Michael Jackson, the whitest black man I ever saw…
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posted May 07, 2008 08:10 AM |
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I'm completely against the settlements, but I have to say that the people there don't go and shoot arabs, they don't lunch rockets on arab towns, and they don't explode at their cities' centers. So don't say they're like Hamas or the Islamic Jyhad
Yes. But some do steal and get into fights (most of them are on the frignes of the areas though, so its not common) so im entirely against the settlements. But then i cant exactly see the Israeli goverment marching over there with troops and telling them they hae to leave or die. That would create a huger backlash then any war would have. I dont see whats exactly wrong about building in east jerusalem which seems to be the main point of controversy today. As the buildings would fall under the jurisdiction of the arab goverment if a deal is made in which they have it anyway. They would simply be able to kick the jews out and move in whoever they want (its not like the nearby goverments dont have similar policies, and it would be a small price to pay)
Though the whole symbolisim about it to the palestenians should probably be dropped anyway , The (other)muslims have been happy without it and they will get access to the dome of the rock anyway. Yes i know that the same can be said for the jews, But beleive me that theres a lot more about jerusalem for the jews then a specific area, And even then you have to admit the status-quo would be far more organzied then reisntating control over everything from the Palestenian authorities side (their troops are weak and few and many corrupt as it is)
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posted May 07, 2008 02:05 PM |
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it isn't racist to require Arabs and have them to take off their shoes so they may be inspected when they go through metal detectors at airports
No, if everyone else has to do it too. But if they're singled out, then it's racist.
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Racial profiling is there for a reason.
Racial profiling is a violation of civil liberties.
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That is what I would name it then have it flown by the Air Marshal's all armed and ready to lock and load.
Do you have any idea how racist you're sounding?
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posted May 07, 2008 03:49 PM |
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“In time of war laws are silent.” Marcus Cicero 106-43 BC.
Do me a huge favor and don’t talk about civil rights in this regard. It is not only them that has to take their shoes off or experience a full body cavity search. They do it to ninety year old women and children. In the process of flying airplanes into buildings and infringing on thousands of peoples “civil rights”, out right murdering them that is, we now have to do ridiculous things such as search nasal passages. Tell your civil rights story to the mother that has to go visit her child’s grave now.
If it would have been a group of white people with curly hair and all wore pink bandannas then those people that fit that profile would also be asked to please remove their shoes after such an ordeal as well.
Roosevelt implemented the removal of Japanese-Americans from the West Coast to protect our military bases and keep them from sabotaging any of our factories. We have tried to right that “wrong” since then by giving them a I’ am “sorry” check for their pain and suffering. But the point is that it is natural in time of war to profile. It is not unreasonable to assume that if there are Arabs working at a Boeing plant building planes, that had no intentions of turning us, even if their up bringing included hate for us, did turn on us and sabotaged our planes. There is a sense of loyalty there to their own kind. So to have them guarding our borders also seems ridiculous, does it not.
So again “In time of war laws are silent.” And to add to that, sometimes Civil rights are put aside to make difficult decisions. What really gets me is that is people with your mentality, that in the end when another 911 happens, you will be blaming our lack of protection, our lack of profiling. You will be the one asking after Almahdi, the faithful cab driver, runs himself strapped with C4 into a daycare center, where was our security? Why was he not watched more closely?
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posted May 07, 2008 03:54 PM |
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Ridiculous is reading into something that is not there.
Not to get on your nerves but Jap is just like the N-word. I hope you do believe me for I know (I live in Japan) .
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posted May 07, 2008 03:57 PM |
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Well again it was just shortened and nothing was meant by it. Guess I won't be going to Japan anytime soon.
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posted May 07, 2008 04:02 PM |
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Well again it was just shortened and nothing was meant by it. Guess I won't be going to Japan anytime soon.
Again I was saying it to clarify. Well you could just go to Japan and make your tounge pronounce the "-anese" as well? Anyways... sorry for the offtopicish interval .
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posted May 07, 2008 10:38 PM |
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"The Constitution's principles have value only if we apply them in the difficult times as well as in those when it matters less." - Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
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Tell your civil rights story to the mother that has to go visit her child’s grave now.
9/11 was Al-Qaida's fault. It is wrong for us to punish all of the Arabs for it.
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Roosevelt implemented the removal of Japanese-Americans from the West Coast to protect our military bases and keep them from sabotaging any of our factories.
Which was a major blemish on his record.
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But the point is that it is natural in time of war to profile.
It might be natural and easy. But sometimes we have to do what is right.
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if their up bringing included hate for us
Those that hate us have good reason to do so. But most don't, especially not Arabs living here in the US.
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What really gets me is that is people with your mentality, that in the end when another 911 happens, you will be blaming our lack of protection, our lack of profiling.
It is people with your mentality that enabled such abominations as Bush's PATRIOT Act. If we don't have freedom to do anything as long as it doesn't harm others, what do we have? We should give the government no more power than is absolutely necessary. And the power to serve as judge, jury, and executioner is far too much.
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posted May 08, 2008 12:35 AM |
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I was assuming, by the amount of per shock in my statement, that this tragic event had no affect you. If there was true grief and understanding of what happened you would not have asked me if I meant that statement. The fact is that it is completely natural and normal to feel that way. If you can go through life pandy and not ever judge or look at someone and think maybe he or she has a certain look about them or they are a nationality known for hate and torture and not be protective of yourself, well then you are the few in this world. There is nothing more natural then to be in the middle of something like this and judge those that portray the very thing that destroyed many. Some Japanese people feel that way when they look to us, even if they have forgiven.
If a serial rapist is black 6’4 and on the loose in our town we would be leery of anyone that fits that description. Is it fair to those that have good intentions, no. Again if you read what I wrote about laws among other things being set aside during a time of war, you would better understand where I’ am coming from. Sounds like you have sympathy for the Arabs that are innocent and having to deal with being look upon as murderers(which is good), but where is the compassion for those that have to fear them?
And yes it was a bad mark for Roosevelt, but we have to make tough choices in tough times. Checking shoes at a airport is not exactly having them reside at a concentration camps now is it? My point to that was the decisions are not always right but sometimes necessary.
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posted May 08, 2008 01:04 AM |
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Sometimes we can't afford to let our emotions rule us. Sometimes we have to take a step back and think.
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a nationality known for hate and torture
I would be hard-pressed to name a nationality not known for hate and torture. Arabs, Americans, British, Germans, French, Russians, various African tribes, Mongols, Chinese, Japanese... everyone's done something wrong.
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Tell me about it.
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where is the compassion for those that have to fear them?
Nobody has to fear them. We have nothing to fear but fear itself. That is their only weapon.
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we have to make tough choices in tough times
We can't afford to say, "This is a tough choice, so I'm going to do something wrong."
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Checking shoes at a airport is not exactly having them reside at a concentration camps now is it?
Checking shoes at an airport is ineffective anyway. But everyone does it. It would be more wrong if they were singled out to do it.
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the decisions are not always right but sometimes necessary
It is never necessary to make a wrong decision. When it is made, it is a mistake.
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posted May 08, 2008 04:34 AM |
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Well MV here is where I step out, this will become a circle jerk. You think your way I believe what I feel is justified. So we will leave it at that..
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posted May 08, 2008 10:08 AM |
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"Jap" is only a racial slur when the person using it intends it as a racial slur.
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No. We're not fighting Arabs. We're fighting insurgents who happen to be Arabs.
No, you are fighting made-up enemies that not in a zillion years could pose a threat to America, for the sake of a select group of men their greed.
Nice to see at least some people believe their lies.
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The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State. – Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels, Nazi minister of propaganda
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Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. - Nazi Reichmarshall Hermann Goering
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnHJ1icRIA0 <<---- Fear causes humans to give up their freedom and rights.
Back on topic...
Speaking of guys that are on: George Carlin
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posted May 08, 2008 01:59 PM |
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Well, I agree with you.
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No, you are fighting made-up enemies that not in a zillion years could pose a threat to America, for the sake of a select group of men their greed.
And these people happen to be Arabs.
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