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Plague
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posted May 26, 2008 07:16 PM |
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Edited by Plague at 19:18, 26 May 2008.
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well for now i came to this conclusion:
Alastor with mass confusion,after mass confusion PM on skyrmisher to open the gate.
I agree with arch demon(i was thinking to this before).And yes what units said gootch,i think i will do them,and the skills he said.
THe only think that i cant decide is:to use gating near my army and waithing for crushing or opening the gate,or to use gaiting near his army to try to do some dmg,to buy time till the gate is broken/opened,or using gating to open myself the gates.
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ChaosDragon
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posted May 28, 2008 01:42 PM |
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Don't gate near his troops, especially if you don't have swarming gate and high luck (4 or 5 or above), even if you use lv 20 nymus.
If you want to gate near his troops, use the low dmg and slow gated creature to block his creature, so the main attacker of your gated creatures can do their job. Kill his most dangerous creature according to your situation. Beware of rune of resurection, rune of beserking and rune of thunderclap, this runes will make most of your gated creatures useless, however, you can manipulate him with dark magic, still, he is helmar, he can counter your manipulation with light magic, the choice is up to you.
Personally, in this situation, i prefer to not gate all my units near his troops.
All heroes is ok.
But, if you fear divine vengeance, you must take alastor, since your opponent is helmar, i highly recomend it. Otherwise, any inferno hero is fine.
Important things:
1. Power of speed is a must.
2. Excruciating strike at lv 20 hero hurt realy bad, especially for magma dragons, thane and rune priest.
3. Dark magic (especially slow)
Optional:
4. Swarming gate (this is the counter to resurrection rune).
or
5. War machine
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Plague
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posted June 18, 2008 10:49 PM |
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Edited by Plague at 23:07, 18 Jun 2008.
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Damn,i played 1v1 inferno vs fortress(i was inferno).He had helmar,he had alastar.The game didnt ended,we saved(after 6 hour playing) and we will play another time.
After some hourse we met eachother in batlefield(outside of the castle).I kiled him almost all trools(he remained with only 44 priest),and me remaned with some troops.With my imperials i stolen all his mana,confusion mass help me a lot,blind helped me as well.With sucubus i seduced his tains,but i couldnt atacked his units with the tains,atleast i kiled the tains(storm ones).
When he had only 44 priest he has retreat.Next day i ataked his castle( i had expert war machine and catapult skill).He had only 50 defenders,but the guard post gave hime 750 defenders,WHAT IN THE NAME OF HELL.TO MANY.I kiled his 50 defenders and i had retreat.He had remain with no army,that means his hero lost,well it doesnt,cause he was able to rebuy his hero. From that moment he had remain in castle and gather troops.I cant atack cause in castle is to powerfull.
What can i say is in 1v1 game,1castle vs 1 castle,Dwarf are INVINCIBLE,god damn it,in the fortress he cannot lose.
LOOK THE IMPORTANT THINK IS:
-dwarvs have rune of Charge (100% speed increase,u said they are slow?huh?)
I forgot to say that imp helped me,stolen all his mana.
AND ANOTHER PROBLEM IS,DONT KNOW WHY BUT I CANT USE THE SEDUCTION AGAINST THE SUMONED DEFENDER.
-they have incorporal rune(give them incorporal ability,i is not nice to miss all their units twice in a raw)
-They have resurection rune(thx god my frind didnt had that rune,cause if he would had it,i would certainly lose)
-They have a rune which give them 100% atack and 50%
-Their lvl 7 units is to strong,for example magma dragon to much hp,defence and atack(i was force to cast 3 time vulnerability to be able to kill his magma),they have fire shield.
I WAS ABLE TO BEAT HIM IN AN OPEN COMBAT THX TO MY GATING ABILITY AND SPELLS LIKE MASS CONFUSION AND VULNERABILITY AND BLIND(AND SUCUBUS SEDUCTION SKILL).BUT IN THE CASTLE,HE WITH 15 LVL HAD 750 DEFENDER SUMONED(FROM THE GUARD POST BUILD),IN TIME HE WILL HAVE A BIGGER ARMY THEN ME,CAUSE FIRSTS LVLS OF DWARVEN CREATURE HAVE BETER GROWN THEN INFERNO.
SO TELL ME IF YOU KNOW,HOW CAN I BEAT HIM?I TRIED TO MAKE HIM TO GET OUT FROM THE CASTLE,I CANT MAKE IT,HE WILL WAIT THERE TILL HE WILL HAVE A BIGER ARMY THEN ME.
SO TELL ME GUYZ IF SOMEONE KNOW,HOW TO DEFEAT HIM IN HIS CASTLE?I THINK IS IMPOSIBLE.DONT UNDERSTAND WHY MANY PPLS SAY THAT DWARVE ARE WEAKS.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 18, 2008 11:08 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 23:09, 18 Jun 2008.
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I've made a duel hero (ingvar) with hundreds of stout defenders only, and neither me of my friend have managed to beat him, even with other imba duel heroes (me vs him matches only).
we almost managed twice. once my friend had ossir, and despite the hunters being way less numerous than the dwarfs and dealing ridiculous damage, they managed to stun them extremly often.
another time I tried with imperial griffins. I was gonna beat him, but lost because I thought he had used all his runes of charge.
with inferno, maybe you should try the pit spawns, but if his stack is really tough it may not be enough.
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Tygore
Hired Hero
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posted June 18, 2008 11:08 PM |
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Well, if he´s just sitting in his castle, then you should starve him out. Take all his mines and creature dwellings with secondary heroes and constantly summon your creatures from your castle to increase the strength of your army.
The defenders can be a real pain, but using gated units, slow, sorrow, blind, confusion and PM on them, it shouldn´t be that difficult to take them down.
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Plague
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posted June 18, 2008 11:23 PM |
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Edited by Plague at 23:25, 18 Jun 2008.
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i took his mines(well he have 200 each resource and 4k gold income,enought to buy all his creature)
I use sumon creature(thx my double mana regeneration)
I use all new creature exect the new imp.I use the old imps.
My only dark one spells are vampirism(i cast on the arch demon,and indeed when atack one creature revive,but imediatly dies cause of magma's fire shield),Pupet master learned recently from a pyramid,blind,mas confusion,vulnerability(helped me a lot against his lvl 7 units).
The ubisoft made a big mistake,in this way they made dwarven to powerfull.Only if i had many castles to have more and more units then him i could defeat him,but i have not.IN all map are 2 castle,one mine and one his.
I though to many strategy,and my hero is still there around his castle and i still sumon creature,but after some months he will have more creature,he already have more,but not enought to defeat my gating and my dark magics.
This is not fair.Dwarfs already have great units,and VERY STRONG RUNES(and i forgot about refresh rune,cost 0 mana so his hero can cast it),why they have guard post?they already are to strongs and they have many advantages,they shouldnt had guard post.
AND I REAPEAT MYSELF.I TRIED TO CAST SEDUCTION AGAINST SUMONED DEFENDERS,BUT IT DOESNT WORKED,LIKE THEY ARE IMUNE TO THIS SPELL.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted June 18, 2008 11:35 PM |
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They are not immune, seduction is hp based. And why attack him in his town are you nuts? Anyway to let it reach 750 in town you have taken a few months too long 
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Plague
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Only Hell know my pain
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posted June 18, 2008 11:39 PM |
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dude was a large map with underground,and i realy need time to prepare my army and to make lvl.I cannot do anything else cause he stay locked in his castle.ANd if what u say is true then i can use pm on his sumoned defenders,however when i atacked his castle i hadnt that spell,i received after when i beat some golems which had protect a pyramid.And again i must say that think with guard post is to much,dwarfs already have a lot of advantages.
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ChaosDragon
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posted June 18, 2008 11:42 PM |
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Dwarf is indeed strong, however, in equal fight of inferno hero vs dwarf hero, dwarf will usually lose, even with runes and their strong creatures, however dwarf is one of a faction that allow most inferno units to gate, gating is the key againts dwarf outside of the castle, you've prove it yourself.
However, after that big fight, if both player are equal, the remaining units from the inferno inside usually few, and you're right, attacking his castle would be suicide, especially if it's more than one month, you'll face more than 300 defenders if i'm not mistaken, more than two month and you'll face 500 or more defenders.
Usually, a fortress guy can sit in their castle after one month, any faction that try to capture it will surely lose.
Yeah, it's so frustating to siege a dwarf, it will take more than 3 month if you don't defeat him in month 1.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted June 18, 2008 11:44 PM |
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While in town they do but there they are still vulnerable to dark. Anyway you could attack the pyramid again(it fills up again after 4 weeks since you took it) or simply ask your friend to come out because it's an unfair advantage.
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Plague
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posted June 18, 2008 11:48 PM |
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I dont uderstand a think.SUMONED DEFENDERS DEPEND OF THE NOMBER OF THE MONTHS WICHT HAD PAST?AND IF IS THAT IS TRUE THAT MEANS AFTER MANY MONTHS HE WILL HAVE MORE AND MORE DEFENDERS?WHAT IN THE GOD NAME IS THAT?TO FIGHT AGAINST LEGIONS OF DEFENDERS?
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ChaosDragon
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posted June 18, 2008 11:48 PM |
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Yeah, but a true dwarven playstyle is taking advantage of his castle. Because outside of the castle, inferno has more than 50% chance to win, even againts very powerful tier 5 runes. Dwarf creature that cause big trouble to inferno is magma dragons, to approach this creature in melee is suicide, even the mighty red dragon lose againts this ardent giant, red dragon win againts all tier 7 except this magma dragon. But inferno is mostly melee, so you've face your worst nightmare.
@Plague
Your dwarf opponent is a true dwarf, i mean his play style.
Yup, try siege his castle in month 4, if i'm not mistaken you'll face over 1k defenders.
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Plague
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posted June 18, 2008 11:53 PM |
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or simply ask your friend to come out because it's an unfair advantage
I did,we play on hot seat,but we dont watch to our moves,only in batles were our heroes are fighting,there we both watch cause we must control units,so i told him and he said he will never get out,until he will have a big army enough to beat me.I cant make him to get out.Damn i am so angry...we saved the game,and we will continue another time,cause after 4-5 days i will start the exams,so i must study,and after exams we will continue the game,but today i still think how to beat him.THis guard post is realy unfair,the factions are not balanced.
Befor this game,some weeks ago(in real life )we played:me heaven,he dwarf(he likes dwarfs cause of their runes and guard post,btw after a dwarf activate a rune he dont lose the turn,another unfair skill),and i manage to trick him and i manage to take him his castle and force him to atack me.He didnt forgot that and now he is realy carefull.
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Plague
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posted June 18, 2008 11:56 PM |
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Yup, try siege his castle in month 4, if i'm not mistaken you'll face over 1k defenders.
so sumoned defenders depends of the months which had past.So in time he will have more and more,and there is no limit.Well i am in big trouble.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted June 19, 2008 12:05 AM |
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Yup, its number is unlimited.
In a equal fight outside his castle, dwarf is equal to all faction, but any faction will never win in dwarf castle.
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Plague
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posted June 19, 2008 12:08 AM |
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 why this faction is so unfair?
That is...to bad...anyway guyz thx for your help.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted June 19, 2008 12:18 AM |
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Meh I've seen inferno win inside a fortress. You were just unlucky not to get frenzy and puppet or play a more balanced map.
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del_diablo
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posted June 19, 2008 12:35 AM |
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I am curius, since the dwarf reinforcement count as summons: Why not use Banish?
Just a insane idea
I do not know if it will work however.
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Plague
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posted June 19, 2008 12:35 AM |
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Dont wory,i think i found a way to win,even if he will have more then 1k,or 2k defenders.I cant tell it cause maybe my friend will watch over this post.Like i said i cant play soon,i will play after 2-3 weeks,and after i will play i will tell to you all the key of victory against the dwarven castles.
And realy elvin,factions are not balanced,this guard post is imposible,no mater what,but i think i found a way like i said.
K then good night to all.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted June 19, 2008 12:39 AM |
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Inferno heroes have the advantage of speed over fortress, ambush him often, then that 2k defender won't be such a threat.
One thing that i hate being fortress is its chance for logistic is 2%.
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