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Plague
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posted July 02, 2008 03:21 PM |
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Edited by Plague at 15:32, 02 Jul 2008.
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well i gave my opinion about fortress.If u think that your tactics are beter ok then,use yours,but dont tell me what tactic to use cause i am no the one who asked help.
Huh,i couldnt beat an average player ) u must be joking
Btw i said from start something like this:"i hope that will be usefull",i didnt said that is the best tactics,i tried to help some1 not to be corected.Well "excuse me master",but i have a real life,i have resposabilities and i have also friends for my free time,i dont have all day to read all stuf on net,and when i play a game i play for pleasure.I have an advice for you:BUY A LIFE!
Dont think if u are a forum moderator u can scare me.But i see one think here:u are all same.U are not HEROES,no,u are just some guyz who try to prove that he is beter then other.Well i think i will give up to this forum,i cannot speak something with any1,i cant finish my sentence and some1 imediatly say:NO!,well that is not development,that is statis and maybe decline.Maybe my english is bad,but i think u can understand what i have to said.
Have a nice day(looking informations on net to prove how "great u are").
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Niila
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posted July 02, 2008 07:18 PM |
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You, sir, fail.
If someone gives a helluva lot of better advice here, there is no reason for you to start whining about how good your life is compared to the others. I really don't understand why you start raging from such a thing.
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maygwan
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posted July 03, 2008 10:42 AM |
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Sag must think he is better than most to make a post like that. What he doesn't realize is that some of us were throwing examples to klazier.
He asked for help and we tried to give him some reasonable advice as was quoted to give out proper advice you would need to see the map how the other players play and there strategies, without the map we advised the best we could. Now sags advice basically tells klazier to play expert players and learn that way. great advice but you actually never gave him any strategies of play.
Expert players wont share strategies they will just beat you and be done with it.
you mock advice given about ballistics and leadership choosing the 8 skills varies from heroes and players. If you had a map with 32 castles on it then i'm sure ballistics would come in handy. likewise if there were little or no morale boost artifacts then leadership is also good.
There are 100's of different pieces of advice that can be given but for you to come on and say that some of us don't know how to play thats just down right rude.
nuff said.
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angelito
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proud father of a princess
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posted July 03, 2008 10:58 AM |
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well i gave my opinion about fortress.If u think that your tactics are beter ok then,use yours,but dont tell me what tactic to use cause i am no the one who asked help.
Huh,i couldnt beat an average player) u must be joking
Btw i said from start something like this:"i hope that will be usefull",i didnt said that is the best tactics,i tried to help some1 not to be corected.Well "excuse me master",but i have a real life,i have resposabilities and i have also friends for my free time,i dont have all day to read all stuf on net,and when i play a game i play for pleasure.I have an advice for you:BUY A LIFE!
Dont think if u are a forum moderator u can scare me.But i see one think here:u are all same.U are not HEROES,no,u are just some guyz who try to prove that he is beter then other.Well i think i will give up to this forum,i cannot speak something with any1,i cant finish my sentence and some1 imediatly say:NO!,well that is not development,that is statis and maybe decline.Maybe my english is bad,but i think u can understand what i have to said.
Have a nice day(looking informations on net to prove how "great u are").
There is a difference about "telling my own opinion" and "giving advice". You shouldn't feel "attacked" by my post, coz as I mentioned, there was no offense intended.
The average online player will in fact beat you most of the time, but not because you are a bad player, but more because playing online brings many new aspects to the game you wouldn't have in mind when playing vs the computer or a friend. I made this experience 5 years ago aswell. Nearly 100% of all online players made this experience. Try it and u will see. This will bring back a completely new motivation.
I never had the idea to scare you, because there is no reason to do so.
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If someone made his driving licence short time ago and then comes to a group of people who all have their driving licence since 10 years, who's advices should he follow?
- The guy who drives his car since 10 years, but only around his hometown, which is a small city and where it never has snow or much rain
- a professional rallye car driver
- Michael Schumacher ( )
The first guy for sure isn't a bad driver, but he was never forced to use his car to its full potential, or came into situations where "slow driving" will bring him a loss.
This example (in my eyes) is similar to computer games. Or do you think the "normal guy" would have any chance in a race vs the other 2?
And only because online players have played the game for a longer time doesn't mean they have no life. You shouldn't tar all computer players with the same brush.
Try to take those advices / hints from experienced players as positive criticism, because all we want is the H3 online community to stay alive as long as possible. This means we have to search for good players all over the world and show them how they can improve their gameplay and take on a fresh challenge.
No need to run away from a forum only because don't agree with you. You won't behave like that in real life, would you? 
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angelito
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posted July 03, 2008 11:19 AM |
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Sag must think he is better than most to make a post like that.
Maybe he is?
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He asked for help and we tried to give him some reasonable advice as was quoted to give out proper advice you would need to see the map how the other players play and there strategies, without the map we advised the best we could.
There are basic strategies who are not related to map lookout or how the other player plays. They work all the time. Like for example what secondary skills you should chose, or what hero class.
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Expert players wont share strategies they will just beat you and be done with it.
Even though I have to admit there are a bunch full of so called expert players who only wants to beat newbies and get points for rankings, there are many more expertes who are willing to give a helping hand. The only reason why the number of those "helping experts" is decreasing, is the fact most of the new players who come online either:
- cheat during game (using trainers for example)
- leave game after a short time because they either "have to leave, sorry", are bored of the "long turns" an expert players takes every round, or call the expert players "cheaters" because their main hero has skills like 12-5-4-4 on day 7.
- they think the they are the greatest palyers ever and don't need advice from anyone.
If you would come to gamespy and ask for a "guide" telling / teaching you the basics of online gaming, especially things like "chaining", early fights for dwellings, crypts, medusa stores etc..., there will always be someone who would raise his hand (SAG for example!!)
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you mock advice given about ballistics and leadership choosing the 8 skills varies from heroes and players. If you had a map with 32 castles on it then i'm sure ballistics would come in handy. likewise if there were little or no morale boost artifacts then leadership is also good.
Online maps don't have 32 towns, even random maps have much lesser. But even when playing vs the computer on original random maps, who most of the time have many towns, ballistics would be a wasted skill. You won't fights vs MAIN enemy heroes in 32 towns. If you fight vs a scout and eak army in town, there is no problem for you the towers shoot at you and then you start to haste/fly/shoot/cast...
Most moral artefatcs belong to the "treasure artefact" group, which means you find them as often as wood piles on a big map (exaggerated a bit..). And you have tons of map objectcs which raise your moral aswell. Of course it is great to have extra hits in a battle, of course it is great to deal double basic damage (luck) in a battle. But if I can have that effect without wasting a slot of my secondary skill, isn't that by far the better option? Of course it great to resist a spell in a battle. But chances are low, and it is competely unpredictable, so your strategy in fight is untouched by that skill. Better use skills you can rely on, because those will help ya winning a fight 100%, not 20%..
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There are 100's of different pieces of advice that can be given but for you to come on and say that some of us don't know how to play thats just down right rude.
nuff said.
Even though I have to admit, sometimes expert players won't strike the right note, SAG doesn't belong into this group. Sometimes you (an expert player) are just tired of telling those new players the same all over again...since many years now. You lose patience every now and then.
It would be great if all new players would start multiplayer before playing single player....Many things would be easier..
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Plague
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Only Hell know my pain
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posted July 03, 2008 11:26 AM |
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All i wanted is to tell my tactic bad or not,i just told it.You could give your advice but not mention somethin like:Hey plague tactics sux.That i understood from what did you said.I gave my opionon,adivce,whaterver,u can use it or not,but dont tell me that my tactic sux.That upset me.And so what if i said about real life?i am right,if u would had a nice real life u shouldnt be upset of that.
Now u can say that i am upset cause my tactic is bad,yes it is so what?i didnt ask:hey is my tactic good?
Again i must say u are not HEROES,u dont know to speak,to take the man easy,to make him to feel that he is living between humans.
This is my last topic to this forum,if i wont be banned or something like this(i realy dont give a damn thing about it) i will post in the topics were i will find humans to talk.
Farewell.
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SAG
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WCL owner
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posted July 03, 2008 12:34 PM |
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Edited by SAG at 12:37, 03 Jul 2008.
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Sag must think he is better than most to make a post like that.
I know how many players of current online community are of my level and how many are higher I played a lot of online games with different players, as you may see from my WCL profile. Therefore, I'm very sure about what strategies work in human games and which don't work.
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What he doesn't realize is that some of us were throwing examples to klazier.
Some of your examples were really wrong.
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Now sags advice basically tells klazier to play expert players and learn that way. great advice but you actually never gave him any strategies of play.
Question was too open and there were already 2 good posts in this thread. Other good threads exist for more strategies.
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Expert players wont share strategies they will just beat you and be done with it.
Wrong. Expert players share a lot knowledge to those who are intrested to listen with attention.
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If you had a map with 32 castles on it then i'm sure ballistics would come in handy.
95% games are on maps where you own less than 7 towns. Normally 1 town has Castle build. Most experienced players will not attack town with Castle build until they have twice advantage in army strength and many flying creatures. I would say 95% of games end in fields, not in siege.
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There are 100's of different pieces of advice that can be given but for you to come on and say that some of us don't know how to play thats just down right rude.
I'm just mad when people share wrong advices. I'm sometimes sharp and I apologize if you were really offended. I'm really interested in increasing base of active online players and helping novice players.
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but dont tell me that my tactic sux.That upset me.
You shouldn't be upset mate You should be happy that someone is ready to teach you and explain in details why your tactic sux.
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This is my last topic to this forum,if i wont be banned or something like this(i realy dont give a damn thing about it) i will post in the topics were i will find humans to talk.
Farewell.
Patience. Patience. Patience. People need tons of patience when they start playing online or posting to forum. Else it's just wasting of time.
P.S. @maygwan: I'm often online at Gamespy at 18.00 GMT, so I'm ready to chat or play few quick arena
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angelito
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proud father of a princess
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posted July 03, 2008 02:10 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 14:11, 03 Jul 2008.
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All i wanted is to tell my tactic bad or not,i just told it.
Plague...this post of you was ok. I know the first post of you was your own experience with fortress and how you play. If you read back my post, you will see I didn't mention THIS post! I quoted your SECOND post!
You first post started like this:
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I didnt had time to read all that question,but i will tell how i play with fortress,maybe will help a litle.I play with alkin(i think is his name,the one with gorgon especiality).
No one said anything about this (your!) tactic, be it good or bad. You mentioned it, We've read it and didn't comment at all, right?
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...but u beter play with a beastmaster with a creature speciality
There is no beastmaster who is better than Tazar on a map which lasts longer than 3-4 days
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U will gain almost 100 gnolls and some lizards
If you have the latest patch installed, it will be very hard to have 100 gnolls day 1 without visiting external dwellings (maybe Drakon fully loaded and 2 more fortress heroes in tavern who carry gnolls...). The normal amount of gnolls day 1 is 50.
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Do first build town hall,then to fast city hall and start to build dweling creature building.
If he will do so, he will fail. Building for creature dwellings will win you the game. Money can't kill monsters..
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With other hero that u will in start use him to discover the map
No. Other hero will take army from Alkin too when Alkin has ran out of movement points and do some fights too. At the start of next day, he will give back whole army to Alkin again and Alkin will try the next fights. And so on. If u have more than these 2 heroes you mentioned, this process can even be enlarged. This tactic is called "chaining".
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Relax dude,maybe he will have some skelets,but if u atack them in start with a strong creature u will destroy them,but dont think do destroy the skelets first
Here is another example of your missing online experience vs expert players. Do you know how many skeletons a good online player with necropolis will have at...let's say end of week 4 in first month? How many will you have if you play necro? If a good online player will have less than 1000 skeletons at that time, you can be sure he did something wrong..
So if you do not aim for this hugh stack of skeletons from the very start of the fight, they will destroy your army faster than you can breath.
But this is also the reason why necropolis is banned in 90% of all online games. They are just too strong due to the skellies and vamp lords.
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U will start firs cause your dragon fly have great speed.
Dragon fly has speed 13, ghost dragon speed 15.
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Before moving them cast mass haste or mass slow,depend on what do u have,
If you cast mass slow, the only unit which can reach my army is the dragon fly. So when they had their turn, I will cast mass haste. What do you do then? Probably all my army can reach you in this first round, after I waited with all and have moved yours. So I will hit you 7 times in first round. Start of next round, I cast mass slow (for example) and this time again all my army hits yours without you being able to do anything. Means, you got 14 (!!) hits on your army before you even hit ONCE!
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i dont think he will make water magic to use mass cure,the undeads never use water magic,it is not normal from them
Why is water magic not normal for necropolis?
So maybe now you see the difference. Your experience is fine, but many of the advices you gave in your second post won't help Klazier to win his game, or just to improve his gameplay.
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You could give your advice but not mention somethin like:Hey plague tactics sux.That i understood from what did you said.I gave my opionon,adivce,whaterver,u can use it or not,but dont tell me that my tactic sux.That upset me.
Plague...if you say/write something in public, you have to expect reaction from those who hear/read it, don't you think so?
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And so what if i said about real life?i am right,if u would had a nice real life u shouldnt be upset of that.
I am not upset, I just gave u a hint. And you can be sure, I have a nice real life
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Now u can say that i am upset cause my tactic is bad,yes it is so what?i didnt ask:hey is my tactic good?
Again i must say u are not HEROES,u dont know to speak,to take the man easy,to make him to feel that he is living between humans.
Maybe the problem is a different one? Maybe you understood some things in a way there were not meant to be? Maybe you take any kind of "criticism" as a personal attack and feel the need to counterstrike?
No one here attacked you plague. No one here (I guess) knows you in real life. So how should we be able to judge you as a person? Don't feel offended only because someone has a different opinion. This doesn't classify you as a "minor" human being. Just get into such a discussion and try to learn more about something where you probably have a bit lesser experience than some others here. They will help, not kill..
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This is my last topic to this forum,if i wont be banned or something like this(i realy dont give a damn thing about it) i will post in the topics were i will find humans to talk.
Farewell.
Don't run away. Stay here and talk. This is what a forum is about.
And why should you be banned???? You have the same rights as any other member here. State your opinion and discuss about it.
Cool down 
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liophy
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posted July 04, 2008 12:13 AM |
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Angelito, my opinion is that you shouldnt try to keep members like Plague in the forum. You almost appologies to him for stating the obvious, that he is wrong in all his statement.
And instead of taking a point, he got upset, started to argue and so on.
If a person is that much sensitive in a bad way, if he is so easy to upset - imagine how many times he will get into confrontation in real games.
This boy made a mess because just one innocent post. Imagine, if he have a dispute over a game. There will be wars!
Heroes community doesnt need such persons.
Thats what i think.
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Devangle1984
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I am the Dark Vader
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posted July 04, 2008 08:17 PM |
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I think you are a bit harsh on your comments on plague, liophy.
Everyone needs to learn somethings and everyone should express what they feel is right, if not they will never improve and i think the purpose of this community is to try to help ppl as much as we can, if it is not possible then we can hope he /she will come to their senses.
This community i think can use more players and more opinions and i did then and now like angelito attitude to try to help as much as possible and must say that he is just perfect and a value to this community
keep it up dirk
P.S i must although say to plague that we are not here becasue we have no life, some or most of us have very good life outside this, but its our love for this game which keeps us patriotic for it
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Plague
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Only Hell know my pain
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posted July 04, 2008 09:52 PM |
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Edited by Plague at 21:54, 04 Jul 2008.
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ok sry for those stuffs,i had some busies days and i was realy upset.Realy sry and let's forget about this.
I usualy dont upset so easy,usualy i am happy,and even if some1 tell me something wich looks wrong then i laugh,dont know what came over me.I again apologize to all,cause i insulted all.
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Devangle1984
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posted July 05, 2008 12:08 PM |
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There we go all explained. Anyway this is the first step for accomplishment, i would like dirk said recommend you to play some good estalished players online, you will find it facinating how diverse heroes 3 becomes in comparison to single player and would not be surprised if you fal head over heels with it all over again.
One thing i do notice about u plague is that you are stubborn and determined, all the good characteristics of a good heroes player, use that in a good way and a honorable fashion and i bet ull be right up there with the best of them .
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