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posted July 21, 2008 01:01 AM |
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The Death - I suggest a challenge
Due to what we have turned the Other Side into (the quote wars make it look worse than Hiroshima, and the repettetiveness of the arguments makes it look like a hamster wheel), I suggest a challenge. Let us use this thread to debate, except with a few rules.
1. A poster that is not one of us will suggest a topic (but we don't have to stay on it), and we'll agree on one.
2. The following words are banned (you may suggest more):
abortion
fetus
capitialism
capitalist
nature
environment
socialism
communism
Fascism
Nazism
Hiter
Stalin
God
religion
3. The following words are, while not banned, discouraged, and overuse of them will lead to loss, at the judge's discretion:
progress
selfishness
self-interest
moral
immoral
4. We are forbidden from reusing old arguments, unless they are insufficiently addressed.
5. No quote wars.
6. The first person to break one of these rules loses.
7. To enforce these rules, we will need a volunteer judge, to determine whether an argument is being recycled.
So, do you accept the challenge? 
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posted July 21, 2008 01:07 AM |
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Reality/memory
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posted July 21, 2008 01:10 AM |
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Or you guys could just take it to HCM and not post in OSM at all.
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posted July 21, 2008 01:10 AM |
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No one's making you read it Pheonix.
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posted July 21, 2008 01:11 AM |
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Reality/memory
No, thanks. That's a pretty difficult topic, and, more importantly,, I don't have much of an opinion on it.
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william
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posted July 21, 2008 01:16 AM |
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But isn't a part of OSM talking about reality? What's happening in real life? Or have I missed out on the point here?
Btw, I think this is a good idea Mvass. This could really get some good discussion that doesn't evolve into the usual discussion about God and all that. I am interested to see how this turns out. 
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mvassilev
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posted July 21, 2008 01:23 AM |
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But isn't a part of OSM talking about reality? What's happening in real life? Or have I missed out on the point here?
It is, but I don't think that's quite what TA meant. I think he was more saying that we should debate reality and memory in the metaphysical sense.
Edit: Look at below post.
Anyway, thanks, TA, but I'd rather debate something else.
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posted July 21, 2008 01:23 AM |
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Is reality defined by memory?
Is there an absolute knowable reality, or is it always subjective to memory? And if so, how can this absolute reality be achieved?
Does memory define character, and as such if memory is lost we are destined to repeat our actions? (Nietzsche's eternal return)
Or is character independent of past experience?
Can memory be trusted? (Descartes' Demon)
Philosophy in excess 
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posted July 21, 2008 02:08 AM |
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posted July 21, 2008 03:10 AM |
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Let's see... I don't know whether this a point of discussion in your country, but certain religious symbols are banned in certain regions. (Specifically, the ehmm... Piece of cloth that muslim women wear around their head to cover up their hair)
There are a few sides to these arguements:
a) you're taking away freedom of speech
b) (I don't consider this a valid argument, but...) people should adjust themselves to the culture they live in
c) we liberate those women.
d)we actually take thier liberty away by forbidding this
So... Is this a good topic for debate?
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posted July 21, 2008 03:18 AM |
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Sure. Let's see if TheDeath accepts. I'm still open to more suggestions, though.
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posted July 21, 2008 03:47 AM |
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No one's making you read it Pheonix.
This is true but why challenge someone to a one on one debate in a public forum? If they don't want others to participate then they should do it privately.
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mvassilev
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posted July 21, 2008 04:02 AM |
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Since basically 75% of the Other Side is quote wars between TheDeath and me, perhaps trying to keep it to one thread would be nice.
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posted July 21, 2008 04:09 AM |
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So what's the other 25%, long factual posts by Corribus?
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posted July 21, 2008 04:11 AM |
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Yeah, plus a few posts by Asheera, del_diablo, and Galev here and there.
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posted July 21, 2008 09:42 AM |
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This is true but why challenge someone to a one on one debate in a public forum? If they don't want others to participate then they should do it privately.
Not necessarily.
A forum is an easy and engaging medium for them to debate online. It keeps a record of everything written, in order, and the formality of a proper debate is kept to a degree as they still have to post one after the other.
Oh and the percentage of posts in the Otherside..you're kidding right? I don't even get a percent?
I used to be the most active OSMer lol.
And Mvass, something more concrete... hmm..
I was thinking recently about (I'm not sure how to word this without sounding extremely vague and general) but the rights of a government or ruling power versus the rights of the indivual, such as habeas corpus etc.
Where do you draw the line at what people can and can't do and to what extent (if at all) do you need to participate in society the community in order to rightfully have to obey these laws/customs, or are some universal? If so, which ones?
I guess it kinda ties in with what Dagoth Gares said but much more general :S
I dno if you want that but anyway
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posted July 21, 2008 10:30 AM |
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I like the topic you've proposed, TA - if mvass and TheDeath don't engage in another endless quote war, it may be even interesting to read 
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posted July 21, 2008 12:10 PM |
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Heh. Sounds interesting, this thread...
But I think it would come to a short end at the first post, if you were about those topics.
@Dagoth's proposal:
The following words are banned (you may suggest more):
authoritarian
authoritarianism
abortion
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God
religion
@TA's
The following words are banned (you may suggest more):
authoritarian
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moral
immoral
society
selfishness
self-interest
God
religion
If the banned words appear even in the topic's introducement, it would be a game of "Taboo" rather than a discussion. Or was that what's intended?
Well, with all those taboos it's hard to find a topic... I thought sustainable developement, but without "nature, capitalism, environment"... Then what about...  hmmm yes, I see...
"Certain things,ideas are so deeply integrated in the 'human-being' [being a human], or they are attached to us; that they simply can't be disregarded."
Now discuss that. (not joking)
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posted July 21, 2008 01:08 PM |
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Since basically 75% of the Other Side is quote wars between TheDeath and me, perhaps trying to keep it to one thread would be nice.
Hear, hear.
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posted July 21, 2008 01:26 PM |
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I think the only relevant "buzz-word" out of that list is society and I think that when mvass put that word on the list this wasn't the context he was thinking of (could be wrong of course )
I meant more community.
but no let's use your topic:
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"Certain things,ideas are so deeply integrated in the 'human-being' [being a human], or they are attached to us; that they simply can't be disregarded."
I think that there are certain morals that are inherited in our genes that can't be ignored, for example some things are almost widely accepted by all humans in society (even those solely self interested and selfish) to be immoral, such as murder, however somethings are not so clear and others depend on the religion of the person. Even things that seem immediately clear such as Fascism or Nazism, but to people like Hitler or Stalin this may not be so, because of what makes us human is so varied that there is almost always going to be someone who loves everything. Not just the usual things like nature, the environment and beneficial progress, but other things like abortion of fetuses (contrary to the mother's love for a child and other human evolutionary traits, depending on a belief in God..) and even the vast views on communism/socialism/capitalism/authoritarianism
no but in all seriousness, I'll judge
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