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posted September 11, 2008 02:18 PM |
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What I'm saying is that citing sources from THEIR scientists are not solid at all
Says who? As far as I know these people know exactly what they are doing. What they don't know is what they will discover. But they know about the things that will happen until then and what will happen after the neutrons crash up to a certain degree. The only new thing here is that the particles of the neutrons and protons will be blasted into even tinyer pieces which they will examine. They don't know what they are going to find in those tiny pieces. They already know that black holes will be created but they also already know that they are going to be so unimaginebly shortlived that they won't be able to do anything. And this they know by our existing formulas and rules of physics.
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If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?"
You are quoting that completly out of context. The scientists don't know what they will discover!! The blackholes are not part of that. The world will not end.
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posted September 11, 2008 02:20 PM |
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In fact, there is nothing at all to suggest it will do anything dangerous
A Black Hole ate my Lab 
Ever heard of side effects?
Believe it or not, some two guys really sued this whole business. They must have had quite some reasons -- after all, they were scientists if I remember (but I could be wrong) 
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It's research into things such as the Higgs boson.
Oh yeah, and if you research the atomic forces, do you think it's going to be safe? It may cause a nuclear chain reaction, nuclear blast. But of course, since you didn't research the atomic bomb, but rather the atomic forces, then it won't happen right?
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posted September 11, 2008 02:25 PM |
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Is it possible that you're just too into that "small chance"? I mean if we do something on this scale sure something "could" happen. If the pieces of the pieces of the pieces of the pieces of... which neutrons are made of are small nuclear bombs that (if broken out of their chain) suddenly swell to the size of the sun sure our world is going to end (pretty drastic example I know but in general it is that "small chance" your talking about right?). But lol I doubt that something so unfathomble small can cause a cataclysm (unlike a nuclear bomb it has nothing to react with).
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posted September 11, 2008 02:26 PM |
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Exactly, even a chance of 0.0000001% can happen And those that are not optimists (like me) take this into consideration as well
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posted September 11, 2008 02:27 PM |
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I don't know how "big" the chances are. If you have not enough information, then you can't really form a stable "chances", it will be mostly on preferences.
Besides I am not saying that it WILL be a black hole. I'm saying that it is very ignorant to say "OMG that's so untrue". As always I am trying to be objective
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posted September 11, 2008 02:30 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 14:31, 11 Sep 2008.
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Well if we know that black holes will be created but we also know that they won't do anything then how is saying "Blackholes could eat the planet" being objective?
EDIT: please don't say "but we don't know that they won't do anything because their formulas could be flawed".
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posted September 11, 2008 02:33 PM |
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Well if we know that black holes will be created but we also know that they won't do anything
No we don't.
Hawking Radiation has never been solidly accepted -- it is a "possible" explanation.
And yups, we know very little stuff about Black Holes. After all, we even failed to merge the Quantum theories (the stuff concerned at LHC) and the general relativity (to which "macro-scopic normal" black holes have been detected). How can you say we know?
(btw: these two theories are incompatible at different scales)
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posted September 11, 2008 02:36 PM |
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Ever heard of side effects?
Believe it or not, some two guys really sued this whole business. They must have had quite some reasons -- after all, they were scientists if I remember (but I could be wrong)
I read that website.
It's kinda old and doesn't really show anything that I haven't already heard.
The people who sued the business... did they win?
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It's research into things such as the Higgs boson.
Oh yeah, and if you research the atomic forces, do you think it's going to be safe? It may cause a nuclear chain reaction, nuclear blast. But of course, since you didn't research the atomic bomb, but rather the atomic forces, then it won't happen right?
God dammit I got sucked in didn't I  I said I wouldn't
Damn sophistry lol
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posted September 11, 2008 02:39 PM |
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The people who sued the business... did they win?
The accelerator is working --> logical conclusion: they didn't.
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posted September 11, 2008 02:39 PM |
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Haaha . I knew you'd write something like that Death.
Well what the heck the formulas are good enough for me (one heck of a difference that makes I know but anyways xD).
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posted September 11, 2008 02:42 PM |
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The people who sued the business... did they win?
The accelerator is working --> logical conclusion: they didn't.
My point exactly. 
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posted September 11, 2008 02:48 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 14:49, 11 Sep 2008.
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My point exactly.
So the judge/jury are omniscient?
Why isnt the electron considered a black hole?
Well really now, the things get more weird than a normal black hole, since the protons have charge. I'm not sure about their quarks though (and how will they "integrate" with one another).
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posted September 11, 2008 02:49 PM |
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lol damn it i fell for it again !
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posted September 11, 2008 10:54 PM |
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Well, TheDeath, I read your link and I was glad I read this:
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Gladly, it could take a baby black hole thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years to mature.
So if a Baby Black Hole was to be made and did escape, then we are all sweet since none of us would live to see that
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posted September 11, 2008 11:03 PM |
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Wow, you guys managed to scare the crap out of me 
But I looked it up and read about it, and I feel a bit calmer now
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posted September 11, 2008 11:27 PM |
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Gladly, it could take a baby black hole thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years to mature.
So if a Baby Black Hole was to be made and did escape, then we are all sweet since none of us would live to see that
Isn't the calculations & predictions the main point of error here, or does that excuse only work when it "is a coincidence" with 2012
Now seriously it ain't such a big deal, since most people won't suffer. I mean, it's more likely that we die in a painful accident or some pyscho or whatever else, really. I don't get what people are so afraid of being "wiped out" without pain.
I'm not saying that it's gonna happen, but why the irrational fear? 
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posted September 11, 2008 11:28 PM |
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It just doesn't fit in our schedule.
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posted September 11, 2008 11:29 PM |
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I for one, have a natural instinct that makes me want to live for as long as possible...
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posted September 11, 2008 11:53 PM |
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Come on.... noting will happen, after all bulgarian specialist created most of the collides "skin"
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posted September 11, 2008 11:55 PM |
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I for one, have a natural instinct that makes me want to live for as long as possible...
...but you aren't "afraid" of accidents, which are much more likely and probably painful, or terrorists, or whatever... right?
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