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posted December 04, 2008 02:00 PM |
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as far as I know more people have been killed in the name of God in our history than for any other reason.
obviously thinking of the ~ 6 milion jews systematicaly killed during the Third Reich that were killed for Hitlers intentions not because of any religious reason.
It is just wrong to think that Hitler had any religious motivation to kill he Jews. He was just racist.
Who said the quoted part anyways? Sounds a lot like something GL would say. And why are you guys talking about genocide in a thread that's about suicide?
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posted December 04, 2008 02:18 PM |
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one of the main reasons why i consider religion an extreamly negetive thing that must be eradicated.
that argument is so old and pointless. People kill for a lot of 'reasons'. Should we ban them all?
Hitler was a nazi, not a religious fanatic. But of course the fact that he killed more than any 'crusade' in itself (in the same time period of course, not example in 100 years) doesn't get big news...
or Stalin who killed like almost 10x the amount Hitler did, including his own people... I think Stalin was an atheist in many ways.
What kind of arguments are those? 
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posted December 04, 2008 02:28 PM |
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I wonder what exactly you are currently discussing?
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posted December 04, 2008 05:12 PM |
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one of the main reasons why i consider religion an extreamly negetive thing that must be eradicated.
It is human's natural feature to believe in a higher power, has always been.
Anyone who doesn't do so use rational thinking to get rid of it and I think that's wrong because in my opinion anything that is natural should not be eradicated or suppressed.
And even they say they don't believe in God, just guess how many of these atheists pray for Him on their dying beds.
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posted December 04, 2008 06:43 PM |
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Sadly, opinions differ what exactly IS natural and what not.
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posted December 04, 2008 07:08 PM |
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Sadly, opinions differ what exactly IS natural and what not.
Actually, there's a clear-cut definition.
Anything that hasn't been made by humans.
Voilą, there
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posted December 04, 2008 07:20 PM |
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That definition seems to be useless in this context as well as at least debatable (if not outright wrong).
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posted December 04, 2008 07:48 PM |
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So you claim, or just tell that people claim that a belief in a higher power in human minds is created artificially?
Go back ten thousand years back and it's still there.
It's a cause of evolution, if theory of evolution is to be considered truthful of course (most people do tho) and who knows if animals like monkeys have an ability to believe in higher power as well. Although I don't think so.
However, anything that is a cause of evolution I consider natural.
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posted December 04, 2008 08:03 PM |
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I find the phrasing inappropriate.
I don't think that it is "natural" to believe in a higher power.
However, it seems to be pretty "natural" that - starting from knowing actually nothing - thinking beings try to find explanations. Whys and Hows, if you want to.
High(er)-powered beings who control everything seem as good an explanation as it gets at that point, so it's pretty logical and reasonable, but "natural"?
Even if it might be considered natural it doesn't say anything about the properties of said higher power.
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posted December 04, 2008 09:32 PM |
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I do believe in God. However, I don't believe He manually controls everything or anything on earth because I know that the laws of physics set what happens around. I have no idea why I believe. I don't see anything logical in it so it doesn't leave me much choice for its cause but natural.
I don't even try to deny God's existence with a way of rational thinking because it wouldn't help anything. Besides, belief feels good. Why would I want to get rid of it? And I don't think it feels good because of nothing.
It's easy to believe in something you can't rationally explain because there are so many other things that human brains are never capable to comphrehend either, and I don't complain.
But I guess, not everybody feels or thinks the same way.
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posted December 04, 2008 11:32 PM |
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thanks for clearing this up azazie but i still hold my postion,behold:
1.If there ware no religion such as jews and christians,how would you differ the germans? then it would be 100% political ,ie communists and Nazis. which would made it more..subtle.
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He was just racist.
there is something xenophobic when a religion is a race...
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It is human's natural feature to believe in a higher power, has always been.
Anyone who doesn't do so use rational thinking to get rid of it and I think that's wrong because in my opinion anything that is natural should not be eradicated or suppressed.
And even they say they don't believe in God, just guess how many of these atheists pray for Him on their dying beds.
let me explain,imagine a world woithout religion,no god,no gods, no nothing.
you wouln't have orgenstions like the christian terros (whattherename) like the jihaad and other miletent groups...
its so easy to kill in the name of god to evoide moral judgment...
what is devinity? is when a person cannot explain something,he makes up saying something easy like god works in mystres ways and such..becouse he cant explain,couse he wont look idiot to thhe person asking.
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I don't think that it is "natural" to believe in a higher power.
me neither,infact,its maybe humane to belive in fairytales,but since 5 i know santa doesnt exist.
regardless,religion came before racisim. Romans belived guals to be barberians why? one reason-> not sharing the same pentheon.
and is there a big differnces between the gods? Pleeease. most of the gods are practiculy very alike...
what are major differnces between islam,jewdism and christnity-> eating habits.
i can well enought make the karl marks my god,and decided him as the 50'th prohpet of komministikia, the forth religion,and you can tell me i'ts wrong?
True stalin was an atheist,but hes murders ware political based if any.
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posted December 04, 2008 11:56 PM |
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1.If there ware no religion such as jews and christians,how would you differ the germans? then it would be 100% political ,ie communists and Nazis. which would made it more..subtle.
nazis were racist. They considered themselves superior. hardly anything to do with religion...
and besides, we can use that logic with basically anything else: If there were no knives, people wouldn't be stabbed. If there were no nukes, Hiroshima and Nagasaki wouldn't have been blown up so easily. If there was no electricity there would be no electrical deaths! So let's ban electricity and knives (well you might agree at the nukes tho)!
Heck, if there were no humans, this planet would suffer less (i.e less wars). So let's ban humans, right?
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let me explain,imagine a world woithout religion,no god,no gods, no nothing.
you wouln't have orgenstions like the christian terros (whattherename) like the jihaad and other miletent groups...
yeah but you'll still have Stalin and nukes...
and like you said, it's easy to kill in the name of some divine being -- it doesn't make you religious or adhering to that however.
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posted December 05, 2008 07:36 AM |
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I ask again, what does this have to do with suicide?
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posted December 05, 2008 08:20 AM |
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This nut plans suicide by overdose a cocktail of prescription drugs and posts about it on a bodybuilding website, and it's the poster's fault?
Come on.
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posted December 05, 2008 11:56 AM |
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nazis were racist. They considered themselves superior. hardly anything to do with religion...
do you agree that a race must be based off a religion? becouse i think that was xenophobic of the nazis. thats the point,the made jews be a race!
that logic is half true,but you can't ban humanes as there are no other dominating spicies. but you can ban religion,there is no specific reason not too.
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posted December 05, 2008 11:58 AM |
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nazis were racist. They considered themselves superior. hardly anything to do with religion...
do you agree that a race must be based off a religion? becouse i think that was xenophobic of the nazis. thats the point,the made jews be a race!
that logic is half true,but you can't ban humanes as there are no other dominating spicies. but you can ban religion,there is no specific reason not too.
and how? Are you going to kill everyone who still believes in something?
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posted December 05, 2008 12:05 PM |
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that did cross my mind,but i thought to outlaw it first.
it will go nicely with marshal law,and im up for strong marsal law.
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posted December 05, 2008 02:09 PM |
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do you agree that a race must be based off a religion? becouse i think that was xenophobic of the nazis. thats the point,the made jews be a race!
or culture or customs or, you know, genetic stuff (well it does make them different than 'white' or 'caucasian' or whatever).
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that logic is half true,but you can't ban humanes as there are no other dominating spicies.
And? what would be the problem?
Same argument can be: you can't ban religion X because it's the dominating religion, right?
but still, we should ban electricity, knives, medicine (because it also allows us to make viruses and poisons etc...), and just about anything, right?
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posted December 05, 2008 02:16 PM |
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Yeah, I agree with JollyJoker, what exactly does this have to do with Suicide? 
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posted December 05, 2008 04:36 PM |
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or culture or customs or, you know, genetic stuff (well it does make them different than 'white' or 'caucasian' or whatever).
i still dont see the word jew as a race. i think im not any chemichally differnt then any other memmber here: my blood is red,i can suffer dieseces,and am mortal.
@will and jj : while probbly nothing,i just like making some points and not be ignored in the osm.
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