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posted December 27, 2008 05:02 PM |
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What part of "I'm done talking to you about this" don't you understand?
LOL. Would you talk with someone anonymously?
There's something called a public post though...
Burying your head in the sand doesn't mean others won't see you just because you don't see them -- and what you're doing is exactly trying to avoid it as if it'll change something. Grow up.
Ignore as much as you want. I see you're interested in the subject however, but up to a point where you can't justify it, then you'll probably stop talking to others (such as Moonlith if he posts) as well. Or maybe you just want to show off and prove a point?
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And because people who go to message boards tend to be younger, and young people tend to be less rational.
You know how funny I find this? It's like an indirect saying "socialists are less rational", and applying age into effect because you can't back it up (all the better, coming from a 17 year old).
If there's anything I hate more than people not being able to back up and being devious, are those who don't flat out say what they have to directly but try to formalize it somehow so it isn't perceived as childish as otherwise it would be.
And then you point finger at politicans. You're absolutely no different than "Republicans are evil" and "Democrats are evil" which you joke around with.
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posted December 27, 2008 06:07 PM |
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*kookastar: I agree, i can se it myself in a manner of way. I guess a weak comparision is the states of the USA, but its still way of.
The difference of Norway and Sweden is a good example, its just over the border but its WAAY different. Tho Norway was a part under sweden til about 100 years ago.
Rich - Middleclass - Poor
Great scale? In a socialist/communist society everybody is suppose to be middleclass and equal.
In a capitalistic society there would exist stinking rich people because the poor people exist.
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posted December 27, 2008 06:13 PM |
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Tho Norway was a part under sweden til about 100 years ago.
That explains why they are so different.
Belgium used to be a part of the united kingdom of the Netherlands, but we split up and we have an entirely different mentality overall, now... It can be traced back very far in history, actually(eighty year war, but no digressing). I think if a country rebelled from a sovereign nation they are almost always very different...
Just look at the UK and USA. Anyways, backing down again...
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posted December 27, 2008 06:17 PM |
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Those "young people" that join message boards are not really getting into political debates, don't you think so?
Clearly, they are.
And I'm the only person in this thread (besides blizzardboy and Ziel) with any understanding of economics.
del_diablo:
Actually, under bad capitalism, you have poor, middle-class, and rich. Under good capitalism, you have middle-class and rich. Under socialism, you just have the poor and a few rich people in the government.
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posted December 27, 2008 06:55 PM |
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Clearly, they are.
Clearly, they are not, otherwise this place would be flooded with capitalists of the type of bragging because kids tend to be selifsh. (I'm talking about "Ha, that's mine" and stuff which they brag about in the face of others etc, which doesn't happen in this forum... yet).
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And I'm the only person in this thread (besides blizzardboy and Ziel) with any understanding of economics.
Self-nominations are bad mvass. Even more under false claims.
ah yes, you forgot RSF in that list.
Don't worry though, binabik was the first one to call liberals "having under half of a brain".
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posted December 27, 2008 10:53 PM |
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Under socialism, you just have the poor and a few rich people in the government.
Please back that one up properly will ya?
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posted December 27, 2008 11:23 PM |
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The Soviet Union.
Maoist China.
North Korea.
Cuba.
The Soviet satellites.
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posted December 27, 2008 11:53 PM |
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The Soviet Union.
Maoist China.
North Korea.
Cuba.
The Soviet satellites.
Any better explaination? Lets say these are bad cases of communisme as you already stated on capitalisme 
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posted December 27, 2008 11:57 PM |
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The Soviet Union.
Maoist China.
North Korea.
Cuba.
The Soviet satellites.
I thought we were talking about social democracy.
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posted December 28, 2008 12:28 AM |
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del_diablo:
They're not "bad examples". Socialism (that is, real socialism, not social democracy) inherently goes into that direction. As I said on CH, after running into its first troubles with equality of outcome (namely, no one wants to work), the central planners decided that people had to work, or society would collapse. So they create a Five-Year Plan, and send the people to work. But say that they set the wage for miners lower than the market wage would have been. The miners refuse to work for such low pay. But the government can't let them not work, because that would violate the Plan. Raising their wages would violate the Plan as well. If they let them do it, then the Plan would be worthless. So the central planners have two options - to return to a capitalist system, or to use force to make the miners work. Let us say they choose the second, and they shoot the miners, so they'd serve as an example to others. Thus comes authoritarianism.
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No, here I'm talking about actual socialism.
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posted December 28, 2008 12:34 AM |
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Clearly, they are not, otherwise this place would be flooded with capitalists of the type of bragging because kids tend to be selifsh.
I'd happily have a political debate, but, well... looking at the quote battlefields all over the place...
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posted December 28, 2008 12:37 AM |
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Strangely enough I was the one with "light" quote wars, not heavy, since I mostly had 1-2 quotes in my posts 
And of course I wasn't talking about kids like you lol, but about the younger ones (most anyway)
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posted December 28, 2008 01:22 AM |
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[...]So the central planners have two options - to return to a capitalist system, or to use force to make the miners work. Let us say they choose the second, and they shoot the miners,
Whoa! They could switch to market socialism.  Quote:
No, here I'm talking about actual socialism.
I'm so out of this thread. 
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posted December 28, 2008 01:37 AM |
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The problem with market socialism is with the trial-and-error pricing. Under capitalism, if a business sets a price that is not optimal, then at best it forgoes some profits, and at worst it collapses. Under socialism - even market socialism - if the government sets prices at a non-optimal level, it doesn't have to worry about adjusting them, because it has another source of money: taxes. "Oh, we set the price of bread too low and now we're having bread lines, and not selling the bread at an optimal price? Oh well, we'll just raise taxes."
A business has only one source of income: selling its goods and services (of course, assuming that there are no subsidies). The government, though has two: selling its services, and taxes. And while it can't force the people to use its services, it can force them to pay taxes.
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posted December 28, 2008 03:37 PM |
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The problem with market socialism is with the trial-and-error pricing. Under capitalism, if a business sets a price that is not optimal, then at best it forgoes some profits, and at worst it collapses. Under socialism - even market socialism - if the government sets prices at a non-optimal level, it doesn't have to worry about adjusting them, because it has another source of money: taxes. "Oh, we set the price of bread too low and now we're having bread lines, and not selling the bread at an optimal price? Oh well, we'll just raise taxes."
That's ridiculous because that way they can just print more money (and thus people will value it less, so they will have "less" in 'value'). Remember how Germany collapsed before Hitler?
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A business has only one source of income: selling its goods and services (of course, assuming that there are no subsidies). The government, though has two: selling its services, and taxes. And while it can't force the people to use its services, it can force them to pay taxes.
You need to tax something though. Taxing 0$ isn't very productive.
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posted December 28, 2008 05:22 PM |
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I hate labels
I think there's only two kinds of people: Those with a conscience and those that lack it.
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posted December 28, 2008 05:39 PM |
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I have a conscience, I guess that's why I'm a capitalist.
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posted December 28, 2008 05:48 PM |
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You're 16, you don't have a conscience yet I do hope you develop one though.
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posted December 28, 2008 05:57 PM |
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First of all, I'm 17, not 16. Second, I support capitalism because it provides the highest standard of living, and raises everybody's standard of living. Socialism inhibits it.
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posted December 28, 2008 06:36 PM |
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You don't know that, you've never lived in a fair socialistic society.
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