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posted January 18, 2009 04:24 AM |
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On Life
"Relaxation is not for the winners. If they relax and let their guard down, then they will not remain winners for long. Life is a perpetual struggle. One can never rest, for as soon as a man closes his eyes, his enemies swoop down upon him and destroy him. Even when a man is victorious can he not rest. Even at the battlefield where the skulls of his enemies are cracked and drying, there is always somebody else - a new challenger. Yet to give up would be cowardice and weakness. The noble man never gives up, despite adversity. The noble man does not simply lie down and let the vultures take him. No. He has more self-respect than that, for the noble soul has reverence for itself. The fires of combat are the noble man's rest, just as they are his main exertions of energy. Struggle is his vocation and avocation. The eternal flame of the soul can only burn out in death or surrender, but the fires of the battle only make it burn brighter."
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posted January 18, 2009 09:57 AM |
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What's there to discuss?
Stupid Darwinistic male-chauvinistic blabla that could be an excerpt from statements of the likes of Dschinghis Khan, Attila the Hun or Hitler.
Alternatively it may have the title, If you didn't manage to die in some battle until the age of 30, don't worry: your heart will fail from stress within the next 5 years.
Think about how the mothers of this world will feel about their sons always fighting, battling, challenging, destroying instead of being constructive.
A single person will always lose in the end, no matter how much they struggle. Only a group or community as a whole can win in the long run.
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posted January 18, 2009 11:40 AM |
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This isn't necessarily a guide of life. Some people are simply born that way, they cannot relax and reap the benefits of their work but must go on and create something new. And some jobs do require such a mindset, take a break and your rivals WILL take advantage, of course those aren't meant for just anyone. Personally I believe there is time for everything, too much work will eventually bite you back.
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posted January 18, 2009 11:49 AM |
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I just hope this thread doesn't become a Creationism vs Evolution topic.
We all know what happend to CH's OSM....
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posted January 18, 2009 12:12 PM |
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I just hope this thread doesn't become a Creationism vs Evolution topic.
We all know what happend to CH's OSM....
Good to know we are HC and not CH..
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posted January 18, 2009 12:12 PM |
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I think relaxing and perhaps even mediation is very good for ourselves.
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posted January 18, 2009 12:24 PM |
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What's there to discuss?
Stupid Darwinistic male-chauvinistic blabla that could be an excerpt from statements of the likes of Dschinghis Khan, Attila the Hun or Hitler.
Alternatively it may have the title, If you didn't manage to die in some battle until the age of 30, don't worry: your heart will fail from stress within the next 5 years.
Think about how the mothers of this world will feel about their sons always fighting, battling, challenging, destroying instead of being constructive.
A single person will always lose in the end, no matter how much they struggle. Only a group or community as a whole can win in the long run.
People challenge life, and die of overwork, stress, heart failure.. Is it really the point, should we really spend our life struggling and suffering just because someone said it's good?
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posted January 18, 2009 01:16 PM |
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Thor and Odin would be proud.
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posted January 18, 2009 02:56 PM |
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I don't necessarily agree with this quote, but I think many of you are taking it too literally. For example, "enemies" does not necessarily mean "other people". It could mean time, or poverty, or disease, or something like that. And combat doesn't necessarily mean combat against other people.
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posted January 18, 2009 02:56 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 15:43, 18 Jan 2009.
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A single person will always lose in the end, no matter how much they struggle. Only a group or community as a whole can win in the long run.
While another group or community loses. It's the same as taking on an individual basis, only that it's about a group.
There will always be losers. A world without losers would be the paradise, which of course the humans will never reach. There will always be 'evil' people that will attempt to overcome you. It's pointless to think of the perfect world (where there are no losers) when the one we live in is far from being a paradise. Instead you could try and improve your life in this one, in which it's better to be the power than to be toppled by it, if you know what I mean.
EDIT: And I agree with mvass, it's not to be taken so literally.
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posted January 18, 2009 03:38 PM |
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What is that, a spin-off of Hobbs?
I have plenty of relaxation. It's quite nice. That quote isn't true in an established commonwealth anyway; people surrender their rights to an authority in exchange for security and abrogation from the junky lifestyle described in that quote.
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posted January 18, 2009 03:46 PM |
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There will always be losers. A world without losers would be the paradise, which of course the humans will never reach. There will always be 'evil' people that will attempt to overcome you.
You play too much D&D 
There will always be angry, jealous, stupid, poor, discriminated and spiteful people
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Asheera
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posted January 18, 2009 03:52 PM |
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Take the nukes for example. Their only purpose is to cause destruction. Yet it would be extremely naive to think that getting rid of your own nukes will be a good choice (in hopes that others will get rid of them as well). Getting rid of the nukes will be a very stupid choice, you'll let your guard down and your 'enemies' will get control over you. What do you think would happen if America would get rid of their nukes, hmm? Not a 'path to a better world', that's for sure (at least, not for Americans)
Actually it's not only about nukes, but all types of weapons. Unless there is a world with no weapons at all, there will always be 'losers'. Otherwise what do you think the point of the weapons is in the first place?
And of course, this stuff can be further expanded to non-literal ways, such as 'enemy' companies trying to get you go out of business, etc.
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posted January 18, 2009 04:14 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 16:17, 18 Jan 2009.
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Instead you could try and improve your life in this one, in which it's better to be the power than to be toppled by it, if you know what I mean.
Not always, since it is all relative. On the other hand, always striving to be on top isn't a good thing as well -- you might be on top, but for what price? If all you do is, e.g: hard work, then you have no moments of happiness (for example).
Also, one can always add a defense "mechanism", as found in communities. Much more efficient. Then again, "losers" that will try to topple you, may not be ABLE to -- it isn't always possible. What if they're on the Moon and you're on Earth and they have no means of getting there? (just a stupid example to prove the point) At least not in the current lifetime anyway.
Why do I get the impression that what you said is from a D&D game?
What you said about nukes is called deterrence I think.
Surely, Skama thinks different with nukes.
That is, being in an unfavorable situation, it can at least cause havoc (and genocide) to everyone else -- you know, like "My cow died! Well, let the neighbor's one die as well  " 
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posted January 18, 2009 04:17 PM |
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Then again, "losers" that will try to topple you, may not be ABLE to -- it isn't always possible. What if they're on the Moon and you're on Earth and they have no means of getting there? (just a stupid example to prove the point) At least not in the current lifetime anyway.
Typical Death answer; exaggerated, exaggerated and exaggerated...
It's good if you stay with reality from time to time At least I provided reality examples with nukes and weapons.
And no it wasn't from any D&D game
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posted January 18, 2009 04:19 PM |
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I replied about the nukes. Plus, we all know, USA does not like others to have nukes (see North Korea) although it had no intention of invading it (with China and all thaT) -- you probably know why now.
Let me correct what I said: from a fantasy/RPG game
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posted January 18, 2009 04:23 PM |
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I replied about the nukes. Plus, we all know, USA does not like others to have nukes (see North Korea)
Then why do they support Israel? A country with more nukes...
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Asheera
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posted January 18, 2009 04:24 PM |
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What you said about nukes is called deterrence I think.
Deterrence:
"Measures taken by a state or an alliance of states to prevent hostile action by another state."
Isn't it the same as "Measures taken by an individual or group to prevent hostile action (could be getting you out of business (in case of an 'enemy' company), etc) by another individual or group?
And how are these measures achieved? By staying on top.
So you see, your post proved my point: You have to stay on top to prevent your 'enemy' from overthrowing you. The world is not a paradise.
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posted January 18, 2009 04:30 PM |
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"Top" doesn't mean destruction. In fact it doesn't mean you have to be "better" than your enemy.
If you have the power to undo all nukes sent to you (for example), but also nullifying your bombs, then it's deterrence, and you are not on top, you just prevent it
(in nukes case it's more difficult though, especially with multi-warhead ICBMs it's virtually impossible)
another example would be where you and your enemy are both put in prison -- you may not be in top, but you can not get beaten up by him (he is in a different prison). See?
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posted January 18, 2009 04:32 PM |
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"Top" doesn't mean destruction.
Who said it does? 
Obviously it depends on what 'top' we're talking about. Surely staying on top in a business has nothing to do with destruction.
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