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posted June 30, 2009 11:11 AM |
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We've said everything (ad nausium). It is obvious that we disagree. Time to move on. Nothing is being accomplished here. Go ahead and put words in my mouth, or whatever it is you need to do. Next topic.
Bounty Hunters. Where do we draw the line between Vigilantes and Bounty Hunters.
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posted June 30, 2009 11:52 AM |
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Go ahead and put words in my mouth, or whatever it is you need to do. Next topic.
I'm really curious how you will back the claim, I'd "put words into your mouth or whatever it is I need to do". Can you? Which words did I put into your mouth? What kind of a cheap parting shot is that supposed to be?
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posted June 30, 2009 12:06 PM |
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Ah. So now you are advocating the right for parents to brainwash their children into everything they deem fit, while at the same time you are strongly against everything that may impede that right because that would be brainwashing
Seem familar?
Just trying to move along since nothing I say or nothing you say will change either of our minds.
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posted June 30, 2009 12:47 PM |
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Ah. So now you are advocating the right for parents to brainwash their children into everything they deem fit, while at the same time you are strongly against everything that may impede that right because that would be brainwashing
Seem familar?
Just trying to move along since nothing I say or nothing you say will change either of our minds.
Ok, I accept that you didn't say it this way - and in that sense I put words into your mouth. But it was what you were saying: Quote:
Actually where did I say that I am against aranged marriages, or parents trying to get their children into a certain profession? Though I might not personally do it, I relise that cultures do and who am I to tell them they can't?
Doesn't that mean, if within a certain cultural background (within the borders of your own country) children are "ordered" in a way we do not approve with, we nonetheless have to respect that because we cannot "order" grown-ups how to raise their children?
And I'd answer basically: don't we have the right to make laws to make sure (as good as we can) that children of people who live within our society are treated in a way we approve of no matter their cultural background?
In fact I would even go farther and ask, Don't we have the DUTY to try and make sure than children are raised in a way we approve of as a society, to keep them from becoming misguided adults (or juveniles) who bomb hospitals, preach hate against gays and so on (as we have the duty to try and make sure that they won't become criminals later on for other reasons - which isn't done either)?
I mean, how are we going to change things, if we don't keep the children from being, well, indoctrinated with hate patterns?
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posted June 30, 2009 01:03 PM |
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that children of people who live within our society are treated in a way we approve of no matter their cultural background?
In fact I would even go farther and ask, Don't we have the DUTY to try and make sure than children are raised in a way we approve of as a society, to keep them from becoming misguided adults (or juveniles)
Again, who gets to decide what is approved and what is not? You? If we all have to fall into the guidelines that others find 'acceptable' you might as well asign us numbers instead of names, dress us in all identical grey suits, and put 'robots' on our forheads. Because we wouldn't actually get to think anything.
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posted June 30, 2009 01:36 PM |
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Mytical, there ARE guidelines already - it's just that they are not valid for religion.
I mean, in school you learn a lot about racism and how it works and so on - public education makes sure that children are taught the guidelines of the constitution and so on. Obviously, if children have racist parents, while they hear stuff at home they will hear something different at school.
Now look at religion - are children taught "religion" as in "history and main 'points' of world religions, their historical relevance and so on and so forth", in a comparative way? Not as far as I know. As far as I know there is no "objective" social counterweight in terms of religion, who teaches children that all religions are equal, and that religion shouldn't be and isn't something you are born with.
Imagine, sociology classes would be held in classrooms separated by skin color. Do you think that would help racial integration, general understanding and so on? Do you think further that it would be helpful, if parents were making their children members of the local "AllWhiteSupremacy" order shortly afzer birth?
I don't think so.
So why is religion treated DIFFERENTLY, what do you think, Mytical?
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posted July 01, 2009 09:33 AM |
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Most people do not know that there really is only one little distinction between a Vigilante and a Bounty Hunter. That is a little peice of paper. A bounty hunter actually has more 'rights' then a police man. They can enter a place without a warrant, use excessive force (or "Any means neccessary") to contain the person, and many other things that if done by a police officer would be illegal.
Now a Vigilante usually is only a one time thing. They get justice for something done to them, and if not caught usually just stop. A Bounty Hunter goes for money..pure and simple. So the question is..where should we draw the line on Bounty Hunting? Should they have to abide by the same rules as law inforcement? Maybe having people who's hands are not as tied is a good thing...but then shouldn't Vigilante's be ok? Personally I am not a fan of either..
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posted July 02, 2009 05:42 PM |
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When I taught my children about God, I taught them FACTS.
I've read Elodin's post from a neutral point of view...until I stumbled upon this quote. No need to read further though. If someone uses the terms GOD and FACTS in the same sentence, you know pretty well every kind of discussion is senseless.
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