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Pure_Chaos
Bad-mannered
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Destroyer of Morons
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posted December 30, 2001 01:08 PM |
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Major Complaint
Guys, I have looked at HoMM 4 screenshots and I am not impressed. Why? The graphics look really bad and outdated, it looks like the game has been out for 2 years already. Seriously why didn't they make it 3D? Or at least 3D support? Anyone looked at latest Age of Wonders II pics? The graphics look amazing - all achieved with a second generation card (such as Vodoo2). 3D cards are cheap now and so is RAM (I bought 256 RAM and GeForceII 64 mg recently), so why create a game in 2D? Many people don't even look at 2D these days....
And before you say that legendary phrase 'gameplay is more important' and 'graphics aren't everything' I have to say I totally agree, but its no reason to not at least ALLOW 3d support like in AOWII for example. Why should people with reasonably decent system play their fav game and have 'cool' spell effects like implosion (from heroesIII) on their screen?
I will still buy Heroes IV, because I love the series. Just dissapointed that they didn't make it nicer looking and with camera rotation, zooming etc.
Ah well, Hope heroes V has cool graphics. 
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Coldfyrius
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Vice-God for Marketing
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posted December 30, 2001 03:07 PM |
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Then you'd have to create two sets of graphics, a 2D set and a 3D set. This would take up a lot of space and would take a long time to do.
And if some people don't look at games without 3D graphics, it's thier loss and not ours.
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Shadow_Phoenix
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Shadow Ruler
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posted December 30, 2001 03:21 PM |
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There are some type of games that are on 2D that will keep being 2D. Like fighting games, there 3D and 2D fighting games and 2D fighting game will never die because there are a lot of ppl that like 2D fighting then 3D (like me) The same happens to turn based strategy games. For example, Civ3 isn't on 3D (I think).
I do agree that heroes 4 graphics are not that good, and heroes 3 graphics were better but that's another subject.
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malkia
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Famous Hero
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posted December 30, 2001 06:14 PM |
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NWC can never satisfy wishes of everyone. I personally like 2D more than 3D (in Heroes case) - it's more informative - after few games you get better oriented in the world.
Also 3D means more money, more testing with video cards, some people still have old 3D cards - this means H4 must support software rendering - this means extra people on the team. Also extra modelers, animators, or whatever else there. Plus people to write plugins to export the data to some native format - or to license some 3D engine - but it's not cheap, i guess.
I'm playing Etherlords.com and it's heroesque like game which is fully in 3D + combats - and it's very good. But they have very few types of buildings - also tiles visible on the screen are like 12x12 - not like 20x20 in Heroes3 (or more). To make a good 3D model looking good when it's scaled down while rendering is hard.
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Jenova
Famous Hero
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posted January 01, 2002 02:18 PM |
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I just took another look at the screenshots I have archived on my HD.. They're not THAT bad.. I like the new interface design, and the overworld.. It looks very colorful. The portraits and skill icons also look nice. And I like the design of some of the units in battle, especially from the Undead and all Dragons, and the heroes too. The new combat isometric perspective makes the units look much better than the side by side view. It doesn't matter whether the game is 3D or not, more important is the artistic design of the graphics.
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Slava14
Promising
Famous Hero
I am 16 now....
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posted January 01, 2002 04:02 PM |
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I agree with Jenova. The graphic is good. Maybe there is a better one, but that's always like that, there always is something better.
I really like the fact that there are no 3D graphics, because my PC isn't good enough for that  . I'm acting selfish, but I'm thinking about the game and will it work at my PC, not someone else's.
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Xenophanes
Promising
Famous Hero
Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted January 01, 2002 08:06 PM |
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Ah, here are two kindred spirits! Pure Chaos, your name serves you well. I think the Heroes IV graphics are better than ever, and the little comment about the game looking like it was out for two years - completely uncalled for! Perhaps you're only looking at the old screenshots, which are from two years ago, and taken with not-so-great on-screen capture programs. Or perhaps your monitor needs some adjusting.
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vladpopescu79
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a vampire of taste
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posted January 02, 2002 01:42 AM |
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I'm not going to say that strategy is more important than graphics simply because that is not true in the case of this game.
But what I think is that in some cases, the 2d graphics is better than 3d; there are games that require a very clear map for you to make your moves on. Take this example: PanzerGeneral 1 is better than 2 or 3 because the map is 2d and that helps you with a better situation control. The 3d maps are intended for games that do not require precise movements.
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Xenophanes
Promising
Famous Hero
Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted January 04, 2002 06:26 AM |
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Yay!
Yes! More kindred spirits! More witnesses to prove my opinions true! MWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!
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thunderknight
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Famous Hero
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posted January 04, 2002 09:53 AM |
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Noop, 2D is good.
So there is no urgent need
for me to upgrade my PC
for H4.
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Pure_Chaos
Bad-mannered
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Destroyer of Morons
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posted January 04, 2002 12:26 PM |
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Hey I am sorry If I offended some people here, just expressing my opinion ya know?
So anyway, I don't think HoMMIV graphics are BAD, because they are quite good. All I am saying is 3D would give it much needed 'eye candy '. After all can you imagine a game with Heroes gameplay and good graphics? That would be awesome.
And to people who don't have 3D accelerators: the cards are VERY reasonably priced so there is abosolutely no reason not to have one. Don't be cheap
And if you insist in not buying one, my suggestion included software mode too (worse graphics) and 3D mode for smoother animations and spell effects.
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DonGio
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of Clear Water Mountain Clan
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posted January 04, 2002 01:48 PM |
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Rmrmrmrr...
It's not the 2D that bothers me about the HOMMIV graphics. It's that poor junkie halfling...
And I truly don't see how 3D would make HOMM that much better, rather more confusing, if you ask me. It is, after all, a strategy game.
And by the way, that red face was for the halfling, and not for the thread
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Batvanio
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Archimage
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posted January 04, 2002 02:45 PM |
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xx&(x)
Noooooooo, not 3D again.
I have Geforce2 64Mb at home and Return to Castle Wolfenstain is a beauty to play.
Etherlords is also done in the 3D way with zoom and rotation, also a beauty to watch, but the game play sufferred from this A LOT!!.
1.I was not able to get the hole picture clear.
2.My head got dizzy from spinning and zooming for the best view of my units.
3. 3d is still very edgy...
4. The maps are smaller due to the memory requirement.
No, please don't wish such game to be 3D.
I hope that HOMMV,VI,VII etc. will be also 2D. Then the game would be more detailed and neat and beautiful.
At least till there is 3D monitor technology.
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necro_skel
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posted January 04, 2002 10:36 PM |
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Your missing the point. The point isn't in the graphics it's the gameplay thats most important. (ok i lied the graphics are important) but not as important as the game play.
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Hyperion
Hired Hero
The Great One
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posted January 05, 2002 07:29 AM |
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Other than Heroes I, the entire series of games has had lovely picturesque graphics and if the graphics in H4 were the same as II or III with different gameplay, I would still want to be first in line to buy it.
I absolutely hate with a vengeance most 3D games other than first-person shooters, since it makes control so irritating (Look at Magic & Mayhem: The Art of Magic, for instance, getting around in that can be a pain sometimes, and that was just the demo, heh).
If Heroes went 3D there would be a good chance I would NOT buy it, unless I played it first to truly test it out, whereas, I am going to impulse-buy H4, so if it sucks, I can whine for the next six months (somewhat unlikely, lol).
.:Hyperion:.
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zsa
Famous Hero
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posted January 05, 2002 08:00 AM |
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2D or 3D
3D IS A PAIN in the A$$ for strategy games. The best strategy games I played are ALL 2D.
And let me give u another example of a game: Star Trek Armada 2. REALLY nice 3D graphics with zoom in or out, spinning at different altitues but IT'S A PAIN IN THE BUT to play it that way. Thank got the games has an option for 2D playing, phiu .
I understand your point Pure_Chaos but in strategy games the best way is 2D (at least in my opinion). But yes graphics can be much better if they want . There are a lot of games out there with graphics that cannot even be compared to HeroesIII. So what keeps this game alive? Well, I can tell u one thing... it's not the graphics 
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Xenophanes
Promising
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Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted January 05, 2002 06:40 PM |
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Quote:
The graphics look really bad and outdated
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So anyway, I don't think HoMMIV graphics are BAD, because they are quite good.
HIPPOCRITE!!
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Jenova
Famous Hero
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posted January 06, 2002 12:12 AM |
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Some of you seem to have a misconception that 3D graphics will confuse people.. actually it's not true. Just because the game uses 3D graphics doesn't mean it needs to add a new dimension to the game.. It doesn't mean you can move along 3 axis now, it just means the game uses polygons instead of sprites for graphics and will take advantage of your graphics card's nice visual effects. It can still play like any 2D strategy game, it will just look different.
Whether 2D or 3D looks better is subjective. The 2D purists hate 3D with a passion. It might be because they don't have 3D cards (which is no excuse these days really) but believe it or not, over 90% of games these days are 3D, so you better get a 3D card if you want to be able to play a wider selection of games..
I personally like Heroes to remain in 2D however.
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Xenophanes
Promising
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Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted January 07, 2002 01:34 AM |
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I wouldn't mind a 3D switch - we'll probably be seeing that anyways sometime around Heroes VII or whenever they get a new game engine.
What bothers me is what Pure Chaos is saying about the current Heroes IV graphics. That's why I'm calling him a HIPPOCRITE!!
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Pure_Chaos
Bad-mannered
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Destroyer of Morons
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posted January 08, 2002 01:15 AM |
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Ok never mind, let Homm 4 be 2d, I don't really care anymore, as long as its released soon!
Moderator's note:This topic has been closed, as it refers to an older version of the game. To discuss Heroes 3, please go to Library Of Enlightenment, to discuss Heroes 4, please go to War Room Of Axeoth.
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