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Elvin
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posted June 23, 2009 07:19 PM

Are you sure you are not subjecting yourself to mental torture dagoth? I mean I don't know the details, could be something bad that happened and you cannot accept, maybe guilt, a personal fear.. Can't you somehow block them out? Perhaps you can't deal with them right now and that's alright but I certainly hope it is not guilt. You are too young to gather such emotional burdens..
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Galev
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posted June 23, 2009 07:32 PM

Double posting is not good, but I want to distinguish this from the other, 'cause I've read through the topic.

Totoro's point about excercise is not that senseless at all. I had two terms of psychology and even the posture can modify your emotions. While bent, you can't be really happy eg. Try it. But when you draw yourself up, you suddenly feel a bit better after depression. I experienced it.

Logic/ration is overrated
Just think of it. Irrational only means it can't be digested by human brains. What is the big deal? Most of our world falls to this category. Or someone thought we are capable of understanding everything? "Irrational" should not be a pejorative attribute. I for example can't understand endless and infinite. Or for example:
Pi or square root of 2. These are even called irrational numbers in maths.


Also I always though I'm a romantic, but now I can be sure But I think I'm both up and down on that graph example. Is that possible?^^
An other personal experience, let it be an advice to Dagoth:
Been alone with your thoughts for too long is harmful, very dangerous. I know and I tell you, if you do some sports or have an out-door hobby, go now and forget about the ideals and the romantics. Also, talking to someone in person (one who you trust) can help a lot, even if you think you are going to humiliate yourself.

Don't give up!

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mvassilev
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posted June 23, 2009 08:24 PM

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How can you have problems with something you don't even have?
Hey, I never said I don't have emotions. I just keep them in their proper sphere.

Quote:
Irrational only means it can't be digested by human brains. What is the big deal? Most of our world falls to this category.
I disagree.
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DagothGares
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posted June 23, 2009 08:30 PM

No need to worry, elvin and galev, I just think about things I can't change anymore

I think about the death in my family and the slow decay of my relationships. It's something tht keeps me up at night. My brother, for instance, went down in a very unpleasant way and I don't feel like understanding him or why. Mostly, my problem is that I can't accept my life isn't perfect. I can't accept that some things turn out the way they do and some of those things haunt me in my dreams, kep me awake, so I type, trying to get some sense into me.

I usually fail...
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blizzardboy
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posted June 23, 2009 08:32 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 20:32, 23 Jun 2009.

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And I assure you I have no emotional problems.


The actual individual is one of the least reliable people in asking whether they have emotional problems or not. By default, the person in question doesn't know which areas their emotions are compromising their wisdom, otherwise they would never have allowed it in the first place.
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mvassilev
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posted June 23, 2009 08:37 PM

Dagoth:
Well, I hope everything turns out okay.

blizzardboy:
In general, I'm sure that's the case. However...
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DagothGares
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posted June 23, 2009 08:45 PM

I'm sure they will...

There's no real problems after all, sinc ei have food, lodgings and a future. I even receive a lot of love for some stupid reason.

Now, time for my STIFF UPPER LIP!
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Galev
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posted June 24, 2009 01:06 AM

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I disagree.

At least we agree in something Could you send me an IM, I don't want to off Dagoth's thread. Thanks.

@Dagoth, I wish I could tell you something wise
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DagothGares
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posted June 28, 2009 10:52 PM

No man is an island, only out of teh pure necessity that no man is made of steel. A man with ambitions quickly becomes an island, though, so does the man that feels socially inept and so does the man that feels no understanding. I feel right now like saying that almost every man is in one way or another an island and many people fall into 'vices' to forget this and I hold no quarrel against any man for nearly any action they undertake, because I think man is generally a bit miserable, especially if we look at some of the men being worshipped, according to their cultural quality. The art of laughter is alowly art, because man apparently considers it artistic to see and hear emotions of the sadder nature.

Worldly people tend to go along the ways of alcohol and the other highs, because, afte rall, it's the "best experience ever and you've never lived until you have tried", which, of course, is ridiculous, but since there are people who feel that escapism is what life is truly about, maybe I should conclude man to be a miserable creature. I yself know that I have been and will be a miserable creature and maybe I even am right now. Perfect diction and grammar isn't going to help me in this case, because I ring to thee that life sucks, which obviously is not the case. I'm more on the lower ending tangent of the sinus equation, I suppose.

Walls, men, especially modern-day walls are surrounded with walls they have erected themselves. I dare you to find people toda who have no portable audio device, cell phone or lap top. All of these things make man partly inaccessible and partly escapist. After all, the man sitting on the bus, listening to soem DJ can not be spoken to, can he? Add laptops and cell phones and we have people who live alone in their tiny virtual worlds. Of course, there are social sites, but in the end, even them (talking to you netlog, myspace and facebook) are pretty much things that have almost no outcome in real life. They're pretty virtual, filled with pictures and comments that mean nothing.

And people fall back in these things so easily. My sister for example, is impossible to speak to. It's impossible to point out a flaw, because you then 'hate her' and then she'll flee into her cell and laptop, going along with the idiots that generallly agree with other idiots. We lack criticism and people no longer have the strength to take it and no longer will they take it, because after all you haven't lived until you've been drunk, stoned and accessible to the interwebs. Escapism rules and everyone knows it. the entertainment industry is what earns most money, because people don't want to be bored, they don't want to think about their lives for long stretches of times, because it tends to make them unhappy!

Bah, that's something I felt like saying out loud today.
I didn't, but I'm getting there
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DagothGares
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posted June 28, 2009 11:10 PM

Sorry, I just heard this a few times the last day and it makes e a bit angry...
Oh, and I lost my chance to see one of my favourite bands today, just because of one mistake!

man, I'm depressing
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Elvin
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posted June 28, 2009 11:26 PM

An island as in surrounded by an endless sea that divides them? Too bad about your sister, if you withdraw from criticism you are not likely to have serious maturity growth.
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DagothGares
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posted June 28, 2009 11:28 PM

An island as in there's no other land that touches you
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Elvin
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posted June 28, 2009 11:29 PM

If you go to a concert there will be a lot of touching
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DagothGares
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posted July 02, 2009 09:51 PM

A romantic is someone who looks at life to be very problematic. this can go either way. The romantic with a negative meaning and the one with the positive one. the negative attitude would stem out of bad quality of life, where the romantic only has selfish goals. of course, selfishness isn't bad in se, but the other Romantic, the one who has good life quality who looks at the world as problematic, because they see many things go wrong will take offense to selfishness, though, because they don't understand how someone possibly would want to improve their own quality and that of nobody else. This person isn't ignorant, but he himself says that in the end it's only important that the collective wants to improve. One can look at it as  a socialist and a liberalist POV, but not quite!

Sometimes the 'more prone to socialism' approach wouldn't want anyone to give something and I find it sympathetic. It's these people who don't disturb anyone who are the people with the best of intentions (I would like to point out celfious as one of those). These are the people who (want to) extend beyond the material. These people tend to talk about "what's really important" and they tend to sound vague or they may not find unerstanding, but today I feel like putting some of these things as if I was defending them.

First question, of course: "What is important?"

Now, this is of course, an exercise in visualising. Imagine as if you're shopping and suddenly there's a bom attack. We hear a loud bang, pools of blood and scorched limbs are placed at random intervals and you are running for your lives. What is unimprtant is whatever you're not thinking at this point. Example: "Boy, that man wears atrocious shoes!"

Second question: "You're avoiding my question. Tell me what's important."

If pressed, I would be forced to say: improved life quality for everyone and of course, even more important, survival for everyone.

There are some more questions, but I'll be writing this as I go. You see, some people liketo say that the optimist is the uninformed pessimist and they quickly add there are two types of people: Those who are stupid and those who are smart enough to take advantage of party A. Then you can say, of course, that these people are the people in power. Those in power after all, are the people who would gain the least from change. This is such with the people in power, they have the power and use it to gain more of it and the statement that power corrupts becomes increasingly relevant and slowly we are neaing the crux of the problem: Our fundamentalism. It is something we say that other people keep claiming that's wrong with other parts of the world: their constant need to convert us or impose their values, but then they forget that near absolute freedom is also a value.

Suddenly, we realise that this is our fundamentalism. Now, you can say what's wrong with this? We can't really point a finger at anything, now, can we? Bureaucracy, perhaps, is what makes the entire world detached, because after all, how does teh building contractor in Portugal know he just signed a paper to mow down an entire forest?

I think this is the 'big problem' of some people. Let me just drop two idle facts that I find ridiculous. Maximised proficracy (term by a dutch comedian, don't ask) you see, made it so that it the cosmetics industry is more valuable then supplying the world with water. Wait, I meant to say the cosmetics industry in the US. That's right, with the money gone in something as useless as the cosmetics industry of one country we could have supplied the entire world with drinkable water. That is problematic. I don't suggest we reform to a communist regime or anything, but there's something fundamentally wrong that the make-up of a nation is worth more than the lives of a continent. I realise that there's little to no practical thing we can do about it, but there's something wrong with this. Breast implants are usually done within a week, but a liver transplant goes on a waiting list of perhaps a month or two.

Now, I don't know how other countries do, but in belgium, people shop as their favorite passtime. I'm not kidding, families go on out on weekends to the mall! The mall, people. I do not oppose free markets, but the consumerist industry just sickens me. It sickens me that this gets as much profit as it does. It sickens me that the best-selling author in belgium is a cook and someone who writes soft porn for teens, instead of our city poets. Meyer generally sickens me

I have nothing against the system, but sometimes it feels that quality goes entirely unrewarded except by the academics and the maeceni. That IS my big problem with our current system. I don't feel like a rebel, this just ailes me and the thing is that many people mean the best. They do, they really mean for the best. The reason why socialism isn't the answer isn't the answer is the same reason why owning a pet isn't the best for a pet. This pet has the emptiest life one can imagine with no freedom. Sure it's sheltered and gets fed, but...

My sister's cat (I didn't buy it. I'd only buy a dog if I went to live in the walloons) dreams sometimes, while it's basking in the sun. What would it dream about? A good owner who fills his feeding box while he is basking in the sun? I think it would've been better for it to live in other places where it can roam free and perhaps die early, but at least it was allowed to struggle and live. The analogy with socialism may not be entirely clear to you, but it is to me.

I don't want to comfort humanity, nor do I want to make life easy-peasy, nor do I want others (except Meyer, Piet huysentruyt, Dirk Bracke and the worldwide cosmetics industry) to pay for stuff like worldwide water supplies. I just think many people die for ridiculous reasons. They died because of some meaningless violence, thirst or hunger. Someone told me that every seven seconds someone dies of starvation. Well, I can't really hold a minute silence every seven seconds that's impossible. It's what bothers me about society a bit.

Okay, that is all, toodles
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