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Mytical
Responsible
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted September 19, 2009 09:45 AM |
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Depends on the map of course. If not many creature producing areas, then it would be hard, but with skeleton converter in a necro town and a few creature producing areas...
All secondary would probably do is give the enemy more experience. Unless you have mentor and can use destructive off of a secondary to take out a few of the creatures. Of course if you have NO town, then you are pretty much sore out of luck.
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Clay_Man
Known Hero
TOH gamer
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posted September 19, 2009 02:59 PM |
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Ok, pretty much everything has been said so far about this issue. I don't want to continue it anymore, so let's leave it shall we?
The misunderstanding was that we see this game from different points of view. As I already said I have no general principles about "how the game should be played"; how X and Y is cheesy; etc., which you seem to have.
I'm sorry if this left such a bad taste in your mouth.
P.S. I'd gladly accept a reverse gilraen-kaspar match anytime so we can both prove our points.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 19, 2009 04:42 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 16:47, 19 Sep 2009.
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The misunderstanding was that we see this game from different points of view.
Indeed.. as I said.. I am amazed that I have been able to play 233 games without making a townsitting rule.. and ONLY ever encountered a townsitter 2-3 times.. So yes.. if it had crossed my mind that you was a townsitter... then I would never have gave you my town.. so I guess I have to accept that I was beat by my assumption.
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I'm sorry if this left such a bad taste in your mouth. I'd gladly accept a reverse gilraen-kaspar match anytime so we can both prove our points.
Well actually.. I will remove you from blacklist for 1 rematch reverse game, to Prove to you that Necro can compete and challange sylvan without Townsitting. No matter if its week 5 or week 7. Infact.. I would prefer if you let the game go till week 8 
To bad we cant sell tickets to this rematch and have everyone watch. lol
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Casihasi
Known Hero
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posted September 19, 2009 10:20 PM |
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Edited by Casihasi at 22:22, 19 Sep 2009.
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Can only speak for h3...there were some situations where you cannot defeat a town sitting player. Like him being tower with strong shooters, a hero with good magic skills/spells, and you are fortress...
If i have a strong might hero, letīs say Crag, and it is pretty obvious that i would slaughter my opponent on open field, i consider it his right to sit in town.
And i would prolly just offer a draw, if the map doesnīt have any possibilities left to gain more strength so i might be able to defeat a town sitter later.
Imo you cannot force an opponent to come out, in a game where win/loss is reported. And i wouldnīt consider it dishonorable that he doesnīt want to be slaughtered, if i cannot kill him in his town i didnīt win the game. Simple.
That being said, i would have never considered doing so in a friendly game, or vs. players/friends that shared the same game philosophy as me...like the "snows" JB, Wacko, Pandora, or Jinxer 
But as mentioned above, if you play in a tourney it is something you must be able to deal with, if you want to win. Or call it a draw.
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2009 06:24 PM |
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Edited by sq79 at 18:49, 20 Sep 2009.
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Reading what clayman says, I think i fully support what clayman has done and he has done nothing wrong, in the first place, he shouldn't have played necro there.
And yes, necro has zero chance versus sylvan in genesis from week 6 onwards, i think anyone who has played that map would agree, seems only jinxer doesn't, but he hasn't played necro there at all that i know of.
If the battle takes place on week6 onwards , I'm that confident sylvan will crush necro 100% week6 onwards in genesis
Come on, that super overpowered phoenix can now be killed by 1 shot from arcanes, so what chance left for necro ? The only chance was just to rush on week 4 or 5. Not sure how the map turned out to be, but week6 battles for sylvan versus necro is really 100% loss
I find it really ironic because few months ago, when i was having a game with jinxer in genesis , i was academy, him dwarfs, we had one big battle on open field, and then he retreated and townseated with dwarfs and extra 3-400 shieldguards for nothing ?
So why is he creating a thread out of nothing to complain about townseating by clayman now when he has also townseated in games ???????
I'm not really trying to flame jinxer, but i think he's really kicking a very big fuss over nothing based on the facts so far.
And clayman is just doing what he would do to try win this game.
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Natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted September 20, 2009 07:21 PM |
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So why is he creating a thread out of nothing to complain about townseating by clayman now when he has also townseated in games ???????
When sq speaks even gods have to be silent 
I totally agree with sq except that necro has a chance after week 6.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 20, 2009 08:37 PM |
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Well... I am slow to learn.. but I am finally coming to the slow realization.. that regardless what Jinxer Posts... everyone will take the opposite opinion and point of view... AND that the ONLY people who does post are those players that want to make sure they voice as loud and proud as possible that they do infact disagree with what ever Jinxer Posts None of my threads ever see the postings of my many so MSN mates that show and tell me of there support, yet are afraid to show there support in the posts.
And yes...SQ... I did town sit... BUT not in the manner to which I am complaining about here.. I have wrote in these posts that I fully support a few days of townsitting if you are not ready and need couple days to prepare... what I disagree with is.. hiding in town for the rest of the game.. with no intention of coming out. IN our game.. I faced you FACE TO FACE and fought a FULL final battle.. all the way till the end when I learned of the impossibility to defeat 200 of Razzaks Golems. And when you came to my town, you didnt want to wait while I refortified after the first battle.. so you chose to attack me in town. And yes, even an extra 400 Defenders was still no match for 200 Razzak golems.. I think even after the seige you still had 180 lmao. So even tho you claim to not want to flame Jinxer.. the only posts you have offered to this thread have been FOCUSED on any and all of " Jinxers" weaknesses and faults etc... nothing has been mentioned about the topic of the thread which has nothing to do with Jinxer.. but simply: Are you the type of player that would townsit behind walls indefinately? Really is a simple concept.. reply your opinion to post.. and leave the poster outta it.. and keep any personal opinions outta it.
And again SQ speaks without the facts.. I have played Necro on Genesis ATLEAST 20 times.. maybe more... and as I said.. I have only lost with them few times.. And anyone who has ever played me knows I dont have an agressive bone in my body.. so ALL of my games usually end week 6+ unless my opponent rushes to end it sooner. So I guess all of my opponents I have played when I was necro musta Sucked big time... cause according to the professionals... Necro CANNOT win NEVER after week 6.
And my offer still stands to Clayman.. I take Necro vs. Claymans Sylvan and dont come to me until after week 6 And we shall see if Necro is as hopeless as you think. Now ofcourse I still may lose.. in any balanced game, 50/50 anyone can lose.. But I guarentee that I atleast compete and put up a good balanced fight.. And if Clayman Slaughters me horribly.. then I will GLADLY come back here and post the replay and acknowledge your claims that Necro has to townsit to have any chance. Deal? But if I do put up a fight... and maybe even win??? Well.. I wonder if you or anyone that has made similar claims can do the same hehe.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 20, 2009 09:13 PM |
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Once you go down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny 
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted September 20, 2009 09:35 PM |
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What's the point? They will flame you and say you're wrong anyway
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pei
Famous Hero
Fresh Air.
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posted September 20, 2009 09:46 PM |
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I think that if the game were to be played as u state then there wouldnt be the possibility of creating a castle. I dont only build that snow for the creatures rate u know...
Look at what happened in Troy, i mean castles and forts where also used to play cat and mouse. In my opinion you made bad tactical moves and are in the need of an excuse. If the king knew that you have lost a strategical point, a castle, then what would you say? "Ehmm...he wouldnt get out?". History is full with good and bad desitions and yours was bad. But well, its all a matter of perspective. I once saw a documentary about a Rome general who defeated their enemies (who were undefeated and impossible to catch up)by burning their supplies everywhere. The enemy simply divided and starved. He was recieved as a dishonored general but the people in rome still welcomed the benefits of victory.
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Fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2009 10:09 PM |
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Oh my, point is Jinxer ( I am one of the supportive msn mates i hope) that its not 100% black and white, which many of these posts shows. Thats why I wouldnt go to the frontlines at all. For once, one thing is the poll. In itself i understand this as sitting in ones own castle. I find that this leads to boring games, 1 extra week to clear everything etc, so i dislike that part of the game. Same as you. I cant possibly claim it dishonest or anything though, but boring.
Then story comes out about what actually happened, that Clay actually took your castle. Which is a different story than sitting in ones own of course, as many pointed out. I still would think it most honorable (E.g fun) to get out of it to go for final, I would, you would and most would, but no need to create any fuss about it.
Its strange, i find that i agree with both Jinxer and Clayman, and still you disagree amongst yourself quite a bit if one should look at these words expressed.
There is always a risk with new opponents that one gets surprises, e.g. i used DV in a battle vs Kracx once, which left him in shock and was probably worth a ToH thread in its own. I had learnt in through Arcane Intuition and thought for a second that it was part of the game. We cleared that up of course, and battle was over anyway so it didnt. Now I know that many think no DV is a general ToH rule. No hard feelings
Lets get out of the ditches and play!
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted September 20, 2009 11:06 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 23:45, 20 Sep 2009.
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For once, one thing is the poll. In itself i understand this as sitting in ones own castle.
There again.. the principle is the exact same. Hiding behind walls is hiding behind walls. But yes I do agree that I did not word my poll correctly and that made the results far from accurate. The poll shoulda said indefinate town sitting with no plan to ever leave.
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Then story comes out about what actually happened, that Clay actually took your castle.
Haha.. Well that is the other annoying part... Clayman did not take my castle.. he did not outsmart me and lure me away. I was sitting there the day before with full army.. I chose to leave and GIVE him the castle. Again.. that was my fault.. I GAVE him the castle cause I ASSUMED he would not townsit.. never dawned on me that he would Rush me... then jump in my town and hide! So yes.. I have admitted that I did make a Mistake by LETTING him have my town. An assuming that he was not a townsitter.. But please lets not keep making it sound as if The mighty connquerer Clayman.. outwitted me and TOOK my castle from me. It was given to him.
The Funny part is.. as I seen him rushing me.. I planned on losing anyways.. I even told him for over a week.. that I knew I was gonna lose.. I was never offered any enlightenment and got no stat artifacts from Utopia.. and we had even discussed a rematch to avenge my loss.. So you see.. I could care less about the loss.. I was expecting to lose.. His Stats were much higher.
He realized he played Necro poorly after rushed over to me.. with very little necro army.. and when he realized his rushed failed and he was really not prepared his only chance was to hide.. Thats where our points of veiw are different.. Most of you guys are praising him for taking my Gift of the free town and then hiding to cover up for his bad play all game. Whereas I tend to think that if he would have played better he would not need to hide.
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I still would think it most honorable (E.g fun) to get out of it to go for final, I would, you would and most would.
That was my point all along. That was my downfall... figuring that most would as you say.. fight final outside of castle..
The thread opened my eyes to the fact that I need to do my homework before EACH and every game. Do my questionairre before I start. So I know what type of player I am dealing with.
Guess my 230 outta 233 games with no townsitters was an amazing feat of Luck.. considering there appear to be much more townsitters out there then I imagined.. So knowing your opponent base is half the battle.
Anyways.. I have already sent Clayman a msn message and requested our rematch.. So case closed..
No hard feeling for Clayman... I can live and learn and move on.
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted September 20, 2009 11:24 PM |
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and when he realized his rushed failed and he was really not prepared his only chance was to hide..
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as I seen him rushing me.. I planned on losing anyways.. I even told him for over a week.. that I knew I was gonna lose..
make sense, pls
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted September 20, 2009 11:32 PM |
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My point is.. That likely the rush shoulda been enough to beat me face to face.. and with my stats so low.. I expected that.. until he landed in my area and my scouts seen what his army looked like.. I was shocked to see how small his army was.. So my point was.. if he had not devoted soo much effort to skipping stuff to try and rush me.. and actually built his army ( thats necros strength is numbers) then he would not have had to hide in castle.
Anyways... as I mentioned in the previous post.. time to move on.. I check before I leap into game from now on.
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pei
Famous Hero
Fresh Air.
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posted September 21, 2009 12:57 AM |
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It seems you are a bad loser, if im playing and someone starts crying im gonna loose in advance i just dont have any interest in the game.
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baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
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posted September 21, 2009 01:03 AM |
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Deja vous
It's spelled "deja vu", "vu" being the past participle of "voir" which meens "to see". "Vu" would thus mean "seen", and "deja vu" - "already seen".
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 21, 2009 01:35 AM |
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There is a trend here Jinxer, why do you think you receive criticism as often? One would think that after 230 games you would have picked up a few hints. Out of how many lost games have you created a drama thread or post? It's no coincidence that most magically coincide on the aftermath of a loss. And how many of them did you blame it on ubi, bugs or your opponent?
That means that:
1) You have a hard time accepting losses.
2) That you are more inclined to find an excuse than actually learn from it.
3) That you assume too much or don't communicate enough.
When it comes to a bug you could have either checked it in the manual, asked someone or discovered it yourself, you have had considerable time to practice no? So should you lose a game to one then you have not done your homework but we all have lost games to that anyway. And have you ever considered what else you could have done UNTIL that point? Probably many things that you either missed, forgot or miscalculated.
Now assume the problem's source is the other player like now or back then with teacher and who knows how many more. Could the incident have been averted if you had communicated better? Possibly but miscommunications happen. Why even assume the other player will play like you do? If you limit yourself why would you have to assume the same goes for your opponent? It's another thing playing with your buddies and another with total strangers. People play according to their best interest, reasonably. If they see an unguarded town they will take it, if they can stall the game to increase their chances they will do it, if they can find an unbalanced combination of arties/skills you can bet they will use it against you. Why shouldn't they?
It's not hotseat or like playing with pan Jinxer. We all play to win and when you lose you suddenly become a shining beacon of truth, light and honour against the forces of imbalance, darkness and cheesiness. Drop it, it will only draw more people into the anti-Jinxer club. Not because they like flaming you but because it is getting irritating by now. Think about it and consider if it is worth making a drama thread next time you lose.
And no it is not a matter of expressing your opinion, we all do. But while at it your exasperation levels soar. Most times it is obvious that you want to vent your frustration than reasonably discuss something and that little something causes what you perceive as hostility. It's not, well except maybe from natalka's part
I'm trying to help you here. Think about it and what you have been doing all this time.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted September 21, 2009 01:44 AM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 01:57, 21 Sep 2009.
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Actually Elvin.. I dont want this to sound bad.. but you are sounding like the broken record now.. I have admitted that I realize the Fault was in my Assumption... and that I need to do my homework before I start future games.. I then said.. no hard feelings toward Clayman and live and learn.. and time to move on to next game. And you continue posting more about the weaknesses and failings of Jinxer lol...
I did learn alot from this thread. However, I still think townsitting is silly.. but since its part of the game, I can't stop people from exploiting it.. so be it.. I was a bit nieve. And yes.. part of the fault is based from playing with players like Fiur and Pandora as you mentioned in the past.. where stuff like townsitting and hit and run.. are just not used. And that bring me back to where I acknowledged that I lost cause of my assumption alone.. I gave the game away.. It was not taken from me.
I do appreciate the fact you are trying to help me Elvin.. even tho your methods are more focused on belittling me on your way to attempting to cure me But I suppose its the thought that counts.
Anyways.. Already talked to Clayman.. and we are scheduling our rematch.. So this thread should come to a close. I am moving on to next game. So lets all move on
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 21, 2009 01:58 AM |
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Just speaking things how I see them, sorry. I did not post this to stir things up when the issue is already over but to prevent future ones.
Onwards to glory! 
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted September 22, 2009 09:00 PM |
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my opinion:
DEPENDS ON THE GAME
If it is a final of a tournament then yes i would do it. any other case of a normal leisure game? no i wouldn't.
have i done it?
NO
why?
Because there is no reason.
I am totally opposed to that and i have fought with others for that.
Is it "illegal"?
NO. set the rules from the beginning. if you do not, anything goes.
DON"T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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