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posted October 20, 2009 12:40 AM |
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To elodin,on judas
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On the other hand, the Bible specifically says Judas was a thief so in a way you could say he was a socialist I guess since he was stealing from Jesus and the other disciples to give to himself.
And what bible would that be ? the one that makes Judas apear badly,or calls jews killed jesus?
I find that statment most idiotic,and i would like to dissagree!
Why is that a fact? you make the new testamont (not the bible) a fact. while it is such to you,it isent to others.
also some readings specify as Judas and Marrie magdline to be jesus fave disciples,and the rest just destoryed them being jelouse of there love.
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posted October 20, 2009 03:21 AM |
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And what bible would that be ? the one that makes Judas apear badly,or calls jews killed jesus?
I find that statment most idiotic,and i would like to dissagree!
Why is that a fact? you make the new testamont (not the bible) a fact. while it is such to you,it isent to others.
also some readings specify as Judas and Marrie magdline to be jesus fave disciples,and the rest just destoryed them being jelouse of there love.
Find it idiotic all you want. I quoted the verse in question that tells about the character of Judas.
Frankly I don't care if you or anyone else thinks the Bible is a fact. I know you are very anti-Christian and nothing is going to change your mind, no matter what I say to be blunt.
Another anti-Christian person had brought up religion in the thread. Every notice how it is 99.99% of the time anti-theists who being religion into unrelated discussions? I find that very revealing.
Jesus was a Jew as were the disciples, apostles, and all the early Christians. The Bible records the historical fact that corrupt Jewish leaders falsely accused Jesus and handed him over to the Ronman authorities on false charges and pressed for Jesus to be crucified after Pilate found him not guilty.
It is wrong to try to imply the New Testament is against the Jews since all of the New Testament except for the gospel of Luke and the book of Acts was written by Jews.
No, no part of the New Testament says Judas or Mary Magdalene were Jesus' favorite disciples.
Lying gnostics who wrote false gospels hundreds of years after the death of Christ wrote all sorts of things trying to piggyback on Christianity.
Gnostics believe all matter is evil and that Jesus was not a real man among other things. I have read their false "gospels" for myself.
We already talked about the false gnostic gospels written by gnostic liars in another thread. There is no reason to repeat it again.
To quote again from the Bible the relevant verse:
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Joh 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Since you are a self-proclaimed atheist I find it very strange that you are trying to defend Judas since you don't even believe the Bible to be a recounting of historical events.
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posted October 20, 2009 07:55 AM |
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I know you are very anti-Christian and nothing is going to change your mind, no matter what I say to be blunt.
Fixed that so it fits for you elodin 
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posted October 20, 2009 07:59 AM |
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Hey, Jesus had brothers and sisters!
Who knew that?
I didn't!
It does explain a few things that he came from a big family, don't you think? Oh, well, luckily enough Joseph gained a bit on God since Jesus' birth and that's the only explanation, because Joseph would be the most gullible husband ever, if he sticked with Mary after all those kids. And that would make Mary not so pure aspeople keep claiming, right?
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posted October 20, 2009 08:33 AM |
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Why do you think Mary having children after the virgin birth of Jesus makes her unpure? There is nothing wrong with sex in marriage.
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posted October 20, 2009 04:36 PM |
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Well, pure is a euphemism for virgin 
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posted October 21, 2009 12:56 AM |
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Qoute wars
and so it began:
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Jesus was a Jew as were the disciples, apostles, and all the early Christians. The Bible records the historical fact that corrupt Jewish leaders falsely accused Jesus and handed him over to the Ronman authorities on false charges and pressed for Jesus to be crucified after Pilate found him not guilty.
the bible does not records! stop saying it like it fact. the bible is a summery of man made stories. both old and new testamony.
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It is wrong to try to imply the New Testament is against the Jews since all of the New Testament except for the gospel of Luke and the book of Acts was written by Jews.
Who dislocated themselfs from them,calling themselfs disciples of jesus who'm orthdox jews DID not accept. also common christian middle ages belive was that jews bake cookies from childern flesh and drink there milk...
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No, no part of the New Testament says Judas or Mary Magdalene were Jesus' favorite disciples.
correct i said it was a theory by gnostics.
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Lying gnostics who wrote false gospels hundreds of years after the death of Christ wrote all sorts of things trying to piggyback on Christianity.
you can't prove its not the other way around is it? or is the church not awefully rich at the moment???
Calling them laiers does not makes it that sirouse,i mean,heck,i can say new testamont is lying.
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Gnostics believe all matter is evil and that Jesus was not a real man among other things. I have read their false "gospels" for myself.
If it is your opinion it is not de facto. otherwise,i call defacto that chrisianity is a bluff...
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Since you are a self-proclaimed atheist I find it very strange that you are trying to defend Judas since you don't even believe the Bible to be a recounting of historical events.
I just find it so unjust,that while most books depictire him as a bad guy,very few even try to see other view points of the guy. he might as well been very differnt but history killed hes charcter. that isent that wierd,since it happends lots of time. if you wish to see it historicly,you must test all posible writings.
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posted October 21, 2009 01:38 AM |
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the bible does not records! stop saying it like it fact. the bible is a summery of man made stories. both old and new testamony.
Sorry, but you have no proof that the Old or New Testament was fabricated by man. The Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God.
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Who dislocated themselfs from them,calling themselfs disciples of jesus who'm orthdox jews DID not accept. also common christian middle ages belive was that jews bake cookies from childern flesh and drink there milk...
Sorry, but you are wrong. Rabbis all had disciples. Disciple means learner or immitator. People did not think it was strage for Jesus to have disciples traveling with him.
And like I said ALL of the early Christians were Jews. Christianity grew extraordinarily rapidly even under persecustion, and all the early growth was from the orthodox Jewish people.
No, I doubt your statment about Jewish cookies.
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you can't prove its not the other way around is it?
Sure I can. It is a historical fact that the gnostic writings were nor written by the person they claim is the author and were in fact written long after Christ.
Below is a discussion of this subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkAWlJWxiJE&feature=player_embedded
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If it is your opinion it is not de facto. otherwise,i call defacto that chrisianity is a bluff...
Make whatever claim you wish. The fact is that scholarship has established that the gnostic gospels are fakes.
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I just find it so unjust,that while most books depictire him as a bad guy,very few even try to see other view points of the guy. he might as well been very differnt but history killed hes charcter. that isent that wierd,since it happends lots of time. if you wish to see it historicly,you must test all posible writings.
Yeah, and depictions of Hitler are unjust too, right? He is just "misunderstood" and we should try to see the world through his eyes.
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posted October 21, 2009 10:10 AM |
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Make whatever claim you wish. The fact is that scholarship has established that the gnostic gospels are fakes.
Congratulations Elodin, you just lose the quotewars.
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posted October 21, 2009 02:02 PM |
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this is ludacriss,where talking facts,yet you claim,Devine word is fact. i cannot argue with you,it is pointless. our argue will look like this:
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posted October 21, 2009 02:35 PM |
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Discussion between a religion person and a non-religious person is always pointless; the religious would never consider the possibility of "no God" because God is after all almighty, and therefor cannot be understood by people, and the non-religious would not accept "the word of God" as truth.
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Sorry, but you have no proof that the Old or New Testament was fabricated by man. The Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God.
That's not really the smartest line I've seen today, cannot prove the Testaments are fabricated by man, sure .. but you can't prove that it's the divinely inspired Word of God. As AP said, it would simply go back and forth, so I really don't see why anyone even consider threads about religion.
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posted October 21, 2009 02:59 PM |
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Theology ruins Christianity. It sways people away from the main point of the religion: just believe in God and that's all you need.
I don't think God minds whether we think that Judas was either a good or a bad guy.
If you want to do the God's will and start looking for guidelines in the Bible, I think that's not how it should be. I think following one's very own morale is the best way to do God's will.
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posted October 21, 2009 03:04 PM |
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Judas probably did what he thought was the right thing to do at the moment ...
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posted October 21, 2009 05:25 PM |
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That's not really the smartest line I've seen today, cannot prove the Testaments are fabricated by man, sure .. but you can't prove that it's the divinely inspired Word of God. As AP said, it would simply go back and forth, so I really don't see why anyone even consider threads about religion.
Not really since anti did say that it IS fabricated by man, which is a claim just as much as saying it is divinely inspired, so both are pointless arguments. 
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posted October 21, 2009 05:55 PM |
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Sorry, but you have no proof that the Old or New Testament was fabricated by man. The Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God.
That's not really the smartest line I've seen today, cannot prove the Testaments are fabricated by man, sure .. but you can't prove that it's the divinely inspired Word of God. As AP said, it would simply go back and forth, so I really don't see why anyone even consider threads about religion.
I find that atheists can't be objective for the most part. My post was in response to him saying " the bible is a summery of man made stories. both old and new testamony." Atheists make lots of claims that they can't back up and that they have no clue about and then condemn others for saying they need to prove their claims.
If you are going to start a thread and say the Old and New Testament are just nothing but man made stories, prove it.
An atheist started the thread with claims he can't back up. Nothing new there.
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posted October 21, 2009 05:58 PM |
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Atheists make lots of claims that they can't back up and that they have no clue about and then condemn others for saying they need to prove their claims.
Can you back up this claim...?
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posted October 21, 2009 06:40 PM |
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Lol atheist can't and theist can? lol,Can you back up the claim that is devinly inspired? you can't just as well as I. and im nto atheist,i belive in something that you might consider idiotic. i denay my limits to a single god.I belive there are more then one deitys who rule us mortals. but meny are forgotton and weakend. heck if to look back HISTORICLLY , your claim as as death said just as annoying.
also intersting fact,that while bible is DE FACTO for you,you make sound its for everyone,sorry i dont except bible as historic. i except is as a pieceof paper. HISTORIC are findings that you have,are writings of other people as well on the subject with objective view. i might not be objective,but are you?
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reference to the Cainites, an alleged sect of Gnosticism that especially worshipped Cain as a hero. Irenaeus alleged that the Cainites, like a large number of Gnostic groups, were semi-maltheists believing that the god of the Old Testament — Yahweh — was evil, and a quite different and much lesser being than the deity that had created the universe, and who was responsible for sending Jesus. Such Gnostic groups worshipped as heroes all the Biblical figures who had sought to discover knowledge or challenge Yahweh's authority, while demonizing those who would have been seen as heroes in a more orthodox interpretation.
This group infact is JUST as internsting and worth studying as chrisnity. for me ofcourse its history that that group existed,just as jesus might have existed,so i find both group intersting equally. but not one over the other. and i hold both false.
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posted October 21, 2009 09:17 PM |
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Atheists make lots of claims that they can't back up
That's what atheists has done and the church has tried to prevent for centuries ... we're proving alot of stuff through science, while the christians are sticking to the old line "you can't prove it's not true" and "God is beyond understanding and science". Don't blame atheists when the christians are absolutely NO better
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posted October 23, 2009 12:58 AM |
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Atheists make lots of claims that they can't back up
That's what atheists has done and the church has tried to prevent for centuries ... we're proving alot of stuff through science, while the christians are sticking to the old line "you can't prove it's not true" and "God is beyond understanding and science". Don't blame atheists when the christians are absolutely NO better
Sorry, but Christianity, not atheism, is responsible for modeern science.
Yes, I do contend that you will never be able to detect God with physical instruments. God is not matter or energy. God is a Spirit. Furthur, God fills and transcends all of space and time. He is present everywhere. Even if you had an instrument that could detect God you would not know it because the measurement would be the same at every point in space and time that you measured.
Atheists have 0 evidence that God does not exist and will never have evidence that God does not exist.
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posted October 23, 2009 01:13 AM |
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no,not just chrisnity,there are enought sciance of pagen worshipers.
also THEIST's have just as much as evidance that god exists as atheists don't.
here is where you go wrong:
im not saying " Im right your wrong". im saying "prove to me something,de facto,other then speculattive and i might here it"
however your saying "I'm right,simply becouse your wrong"
also "You cannot understand my devine answers they are above you nonebelivers" see that kind of attitude will NOT get you high in arguments,you will be much ignored and dissrespected.
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