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posted November 24, 2009 06:35 PM |
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Nah. If you cite the other things, EVBERYTHING is cheating, not just steroids, amphetamines or using a notebook when none is allowed. EVERYTHING except training/learning.
So EVERY enhancer is cheating. It doesn't matter whether it's done with a scalpel, tweezers, color or whatever else, cheating, then, is cheating. Now, these Miss events don't involve the candidates running around naked. So where is the difference between a breast implant and a bathing suit with a clever pushup bra? Cheating is cheating.
Not to mention that it's a matter of taste anyway, so why would it matter? If they see what they see and like it, where's the problem?
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posted November 24, 2009 06:50 PM |
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There is no problem - but wouldn't you be at least surprised if they picked a totally ugly woman for Miss Universe? 
And I don't agree that everything is cheating... Changing a color of hair does nothing (there is no "dominant" favorite hair color among males, for instance - blond and brunettes are both highly liked), but changing breast size with a "90-60-90" "ideal" woman stereotype around DOES change something. Thus I think it's cheating 
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posted November 24, 2009 07:02 PM |
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I don't follow.
So is eating healthy cheating since it will probably give you a smoother complexion and nice proportions over somebody that pounds down fat?
You invest and you receive. That's how life works.
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posted November 24, 2009 07:03 PM |
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Answer me then, why are steroids banned?
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posted November 24, 2009 07:04 PM |
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Because sports are competitive and pageants are glorified fleshlight showings.
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posted November 24, 2009 07:11 PM |
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Right. It's about taste anyway. Usually, if you come heavily "modded" or modded in such a way that it looks unfavorable, you wouldn't look good anymore, so you wouldn't qualify. However, with these things the jury may turn someone down because someone is reminded of his sister or mother or for whatever reason or doesn't like the voice when a candiate sings in the talent show. It's trivial and meaningless anyway.
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posted November 24, 2009 07:14 PM |
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Because sports are competitive and pageants are glorified fleshlight showings.
Umm, beauty contest is also a competition - they try the best to look good in front of jury and compete with each other.
And it's not trivial. The more we accept it, the more "modified" girls will appear on those kinds of contests. Not that I particularly mind, but it's a mockery of what those contests are supposed to be anyway.
Artificial is just bad. Nobody would like a strongman with artificial mechanic arms bench pressing 2 tones.
Why are artificial breasts any better? Because the competition is a bit different?
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posted November 24, 2009 07:20 PM |
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It's a bad analogy. People don't typically look at pageants the way they look at sports. It's up to the board to decide what "going too far" is, and it's ultimately pretty subjective. Besides, life is uneven by default. The people that compete in the Olympics work very hard no doubt, but either way, none of them would be where they are were it not for natural ability. Nothing is truly earned, we just prefer to think of it that way to feel good when we accomplish something.
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posted November 24, 2009 07:26 PM |
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I also do think that miss-surgery-competition is a farce. So yeah, I am with Doom here. If the argument simply is that surgery is just the next step from make-up, I definately disagree. If the argument is that this is not a competition at all, that I understand ;P Never watched any of these shows.. However even then I find it troublesome if the new beauty ideal of society is a plastic-surgery babe.
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posted November 24, 2009 07:28 PM |
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I guess my opinion partially stems from the fact that I don't take pageants remotely seriously. I can kind of see your points, I just don't care.
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posted November 24, 2009 07:29 PM |
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I think it's a decent analogy. Both of those competitions can be simply turned into artificially perfect vs. artificially perfect. One step nearer to create a "perfect man" or "perfect woman", that's what it is... and do we want it?
Yes, nature is completely uneven, everything is random and unfair as hell - I still think sports and competitions aren't about beating the nature, but beating yourself... going around your weaknesses, NOT about giving up and just pumping yourself full of steroids or plastic. But that's indeed my subjective view on that matter.
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posted November 24, 2009 07:43 PM |
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by the way, what are the rules to participate in that contest?
I know that for Miss France you must be between 1m70 and 1m85 (or something like that, which already disqualifies a hell of a lot of beautiful girls (I usually prefer girls who are about 1m60))
and girls who posed nude or in sexy outfits are disqualified as well because it is considered shameful to Mme de fontenay.
there may be some other stupid rules, but I don't remember them.
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posted November 24, 2009 07:51 PM |
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Well, that's weird. For us runts a girl that is 180cm tall is already more like a man than a woman. And I subjectively would never call that beauty. Shouldn't it be a little bit more average-value wise? Why is a big woman considered pretty? She has no petite charm, she's like a tower with huge hands and feet  very manly, if you ask me.
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posted November 24, 2009 07:52 PM |
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Agree with Fauch.
Not to mention that it's unfair to judge "platic or artificial beauty". Beauty is in the eye of the beholder; it's subjective. If you look at the models it IS already highly artificial. So what?
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posted November 24, 2009 08:08 PM |
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JJ, yes, it's subjective. I'm just surprised there are so many false tits fans out there. I mean, those things are... ummm. have you ever had one in hand once? Stupid question, but whomever had will most likely dislike them because they feel... different. The least they are used, the best for us. That means a promotion of them - silicone enhanced models winning beauty contest and such - isn't desired
Here, you have my reason why I don't like it.
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posted November 24, 2009 08:17 PM |
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I've found the rules for miss france. it's quite ridiculous.
-they must be girl and have the french nationality (well, since it's miss france it seems logic)
-age between 18 and 25 (I suppose that's ok)
-to measure at least 1m70 (lol)
-to be single and have no child (lolol)
-she must live with her parents (lmao)
-her criminal record must be blank (I fail to see the relation with beauty, I guess it would give a bad image of the contest if the winner had commited offences. well should people care about what the girls did in the past anyway?)
-no enhancement such as fake hair, tatoos, surgery, piercing or even lens to change the color of the eyes (well, I partly agree with that, but should we forbid every kind of enhancement?)
-they mustn't have already participated in miss france (why not?)
-they musn't have posed naked or partially naked (what does partially naked means? they can only pose veiled?  )
I wonder how many french girls meet all the requirements lol
about the girl on the 1st post, well, she is quite decent, not stunning, but if you ignore that she is 20, she doesn't look too bad overall (well, probably not the one I would have chosen, but they always make the girls you think are the least beautiful win lol)
and the photo isn't very good, are you sure it was taken by a professional lol? I can even spot some blur on her hand.
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posted November 24, 2009 08:27 PM |
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I guess they are trying to make "body and soul" contest, participants are meant to be beautiful, natural and, umm, "pure". Fine, but they should call it respectively...
And I don't understand the height requirement.
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posted November 24, 2009 08:37 PM |
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People have been doing strange, extreme things to their bodies for millenia in order to conform to some bizarre concept of what "beautiful" is. Footbinding in China is a great example; so is neck stretching. Body piercing. Etc. I don't see how this is any different except that it's generally not compulsory as it is in some other cultures.
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posted November 24, 2009 08:37 PM |
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lol, "pure"
they must be christian, have never had sex or even been naked in front of a boy and should have never watched anything pornographic
also they must have a real unicorn as a pet.
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posted November 24, 2009 08:41 PM |
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@Fauch
Humans have connected virginity and "purity" with beauty forever, and it's not just for religious reasons. There's a biological, evolutionary connection between "purity" and desirability (and, therefore, attractiveness and beauty).
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