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posted December 30, 2009 06:07 PM |
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Edited by Instants at 18:07, 30 Dec 2009.
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What can CoH tell us about MM:H6?
There are some things in Clash that may or may not be indicators about MM:H6 For example
*Can not having the dungeon or stronghold, 2 of the original factions indicate that they are being scrapped?
*Can the new units show us something about the potential units in H6? (Spearmen,Ebon Guards,Bears, Deer,...)
*Can CoH's widespread success lead to Ubi's decision to spend more attention to making money, than to making an enjoyable game
*Can the close relationship between Godric, Fiona, & Aidan lead to more friendliness between their corresponding factions?
Thoughts?
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mamgaeater
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posted December 30, 2009 06:23 PM |
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Where does it fit on the timeline though?
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posted December 30, 2009 07:12 PM |
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It's supposed to be 40 years before Heroes V. What's your point?
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archwarl0ck
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posted December 30, 2009 07:21 PM |
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*Can not having the dungeon or stronghold, 2 of the original factions indicate that they are being scrapped?
I can say the word "original" only about orcs, Dungeon is a Forgotten Realms\Warhammer ripoff. Same for the dwarves, though they are a Disciples\Warhammer combo.
They would probably alter Dungeon and Fortress a bit and punch them out with the expansion. Also, they would probably include nagas in vanilla cuz the game should attract the fans with a new thing.
As with Stronghold - in the CoH storyline, which takes place 40 year before HMM V, Kunjak is probably too young to be the chieftan (and to begin the events of ToE), so orcs are probably still out in the east, minding their own business, and they don't wanna see the "steel men" again. But I don't think they're gonna abandon the idea.
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*Can the new units show us something about the potential units in H6? (Spearmen,Ebon Guards,Bears, Deer,...)
Would be nice, except for the bears, because bears were in Fortress. But they'll probably retcon that somehow.
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*Can CoH's widespread success lead to Ubi's decision to spend more attention to making money, than to making an enjoyable game
I think we should look at some other Ubi project's sequels to find out how they treat the audience.
Also, MM fans are a very large group, they sure don't want to make them angry.
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*Can the close relationship between Godric, Fiona, & Aidan lead to more friendliness between their corresponding factions?
Elves and humans were in some sort of alliances most of the timem even without CoH. And Godric is dead now, but we still have Freida who can probably cope with diplomacy.
Aidan - I haven't playead as him yet, but isn't he an Inferno cultist now? Demons are hated by most of the races now, so a lonely hero wouldn't make the race different.
Although I would like a more complex story rather than "The good guys and the bad guys against the demons".
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kraken
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posted December 30, 2009 08:52 PM |
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It's supposed to be 40 years before Heroes V. What's your point?
50 Years. In the game you do meet Markal as an ally and in the Epilogue, U learn about Zehir getting born after 10 years and Nicolai being born after ten years. They didn't ever mention Anwen in Heroes 5, so they just say that she became an outstanding Ranger, and Aidan became a Dragonknight. Godric is a commander person thing and they all live happily ever after until 50 years in the future. Until Heros 5 picks up. No mention of characters like fiona or Gotai, they're non-existent. But the main antagonist is a guy named Lord numbskull, I mean bloodcrown and he's the final boss.
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posted December 30, 2009 09:55 PM |
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50 Years
No. Wrong. It's 40 years.
CoH tells nobody anything about Heroes VI. (MM:H6... dreadful title...) Capybara plan to add Dark Elves if they get the chance to make a sequel so their absence from this game is no indication of anything.
Heroes VI is apparently a "revolution in the series" according to Dexter so I wouldn't hold my breath expecting too many similarities.
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kraken
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posted December 31, 2009 12:21 AM |
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How do ya know it's 40 years Cepheus?
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posted December 31, 2009 12:52 AM |
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The evidence
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posted December 31, 2009 02:11 AM |
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Heroes VI is apparently a "revolution in the series" according to Dexter
Who is Dexter?
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kraken
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posted December 31, 2009 03:43 AM |
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Edited by kraken at 03:45, 31 Dec 2009.
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He can't tell us, if he does he'll have to kill us. He's best friends with James Bond.
Edit: I read 50 years, oh well then, I'm playing through my second time, it's just so damn good!
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posted December 31, 2009 11:32 AM |
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Heroes VI is apparently a "revolution in the series" according to Dexter
Who is Dexter?
Dexter is a forumgoer here that seems to have inside info on Ubisoft. He has given us several hints that Heroes VI is in development and that it will, as Cepheus said, be a revolution in the series.(Wether it's MM: HVI or HoMMVI, Heroes VI will almost certainly be what it will be called by the majority of fans in conversation)
As for what CoH will tell us about this, I cannot say. I have read some things about it, but I currently lack the money to buy the game. And debating it will only be speculation at best, though that is no reason to stop it. And I will try to answer your questions nonetheless.
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Can not having the dungeon or stronghold, 2 of the original factions indicate that they are being scrapped?
I find that unlikely. This being mainly an experimental aproach to the series it is doubtfull that they go full speed at the first attempt, so to speak. Meaning that they have held back this time and if this will prove succesfull they might expand on this in the future.
@Archwarlock: Your assesment of the situation of the Orcs 40 years prior to HoMMV is probably correct. However I have to correct you, in the fact that Kunyak is not to young, Gotai/Kujin certainly and Quroq perhaps. But Kunyak has been dead for almost 400 years. Kunyak was the leader of the Orcs in their revolt against Haven and Academy.
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*Can the new units show us something about the potential units in H6? (Spearmen,Ebon Guards,Bears, Deer,...)
Possibly, that is all that can be said. Personally, I'd like to see deer/stags return for Elven Cavalry units. The Spearman is something that has been requested by fans ever since it has not apeared in Heroes V, so of all of them, that unit would probably be the most likely.
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Can CoH's widespread success lead to Ubi's decision to spend more attention to making money, than to making an enjoyable game.
This is something Ubisoft has been accused of since they have aquired the Might & Magic license. However, I believe they try to do both. They try to make to make an enjoyable game, to make them money. However one must keep in mind that Ubi is new to the license and they are expected, perhaps wrongly, to fit in the footsteps of 3DO. So it's likely they make errors in the eyes of the fans.
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Can the close relationship between Godric, Fiona, & Aidan lead to more friendliness between their corresponding factions?
I don't think so. This takes place 40 years prior to Heroes V, so the relations have had 40 years to deteriorate. On top of that, the wars in Heroes V has probably screwed up whatever they may have achieved in CoH.
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archwarl0ck
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posted December 31, 2009 11:52 AM |
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However I have to correct you, in the fact that Kunyak is not to young, Gotai/Kujin certainly and Quroq perhaps. But Kunyak has been dead for almost 400 years.
Yes, I really meant Quroq, because he's in the starting mission for ToE. Thanks for the correction, I've forgotten the names cuz all orcs look the same to me 
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Instants
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posted December 31, 2009 03:50 PM |
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Can the close relationship between Godric, Fiona, & Aidan lead to more friendliness between their corresponding factions?
I don't think so. This takes place 40 years prior to Heroes V, so the relations have had 40 years to deteriorate. On top of that, the wars in Heroes V has probably screwed up whatever they may have achieved in CoH.
but couldn't a conversation go something like this:
Human Guard: Wait! Don't you remember the story of Godric, Fiona, and Aidan?
Demon: No.
Undead Leader:Not really.
<recaps CoH storyline>
Whatever.<Restarts fight>
Wait! a minstrel once told me of a land called Earth!there, a wiseman said "Those who do not learn from history's mistakes ae bound to repeat them" I think we should listen to this Guard and if he's wrong then we kill him
<sneers>Fine. <walks off>
The conversation probably wouldn't be that comedic,Ubi has reduced the humour in the series, but it might follow something like that
Remember, I'm not perfect,so don't take all my hypotheses too seriously.
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posted December 31, 2009 06:19 PM |
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Yes, I really meant Quroq, because he's in the starting mission for ToE. Thanks for the correction, I've forgotten the names cuz all orcs look the same to me
Yeah, their faces are rather flat and sameish. Other than the facts that some have pointy bits instead of hair, they do look alot alike.
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but couldn't a conversation go something like this:
Human Guard: Wait! Don't you remember the story of Godric, Fiona, and Aidan?
Demon: No.
Undead Leader:Not really.
<recaps CoH storyline>
Whatever.<Restarts fight>
Wait! a minstrel once told me of a land called Earth!there, a wiseman said "Those who do not learn from history's mistakes ae bound to repeat them" I think we should listen to this Guard and if he's wrong then we kill him
<sneers>Fine. <walks off>
The conversation probably wouldn't be that comedic,Ubi has reduced the humour in the series, but it might follow something like that
Remember, I'm not perfect,so don't take all my hypotheses too seriously.
I rather doubt demons would take the time to talk to their victims/prey, or if any other than their lords are capable of human speech/language for that matter. This and their inherant hate for life makes it very unlikely for demons to have allies other than Demon-cultists.
On the other hand, if Fiona isn't killed at the end, she might try to establish new relations with the Haven faction. Godric however seemed to dislike Markal very much in his life and his treatment of Markal's necromancer-allies seems little better. Also Godric is dead at the time of TotE, so the warriors he fought with likely are as well.
Nobody is perfect Instants, but that is no reason not to take you seriously. You bring up interesting points, so there is nothing wrong with discussing those.
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posted January 01, 2010 01:46 AM |
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How did you arrive at that idea; these cheap Kreegan imitations have been speaking coherently to humans since Heroes V.
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posted January 01, 2010 01:05 PM |
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As far as I can remember, the only Demons that have talked to Humans or other races for that matter have been Agreal, Biara and Kha'Beleth. The top of "Demon-society".
I have not seen Imps, Horned Demons, Pit Fiends etc. talk to other races. This would raise the question if they are able to comunicate to anything other than other Demons; which has been obeserved. It might be the case that they simply do not bother, but the "rank-and-file" Demons seem rather limited in their intelligence, so that raises the question of they are even capable.
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posted January 02, 2010 11:33 PM |
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Agraelag's not a demon and everything talks to everything in this Clash game. Trees inclusive. So I wouldn't read too much into the Ashan games looking for LotR style depth...
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posted January 04, 2010 05:07 PM |
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In my opinion: NOTHING!
Not certain, for sure.
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