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Nebiiiii
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posted March 19, 2010 04:14 PM |
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Edited by Nebiiiii at 16:15, 19 Mar 2010.
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Poll Question:
Lich Master or Arch-Lich?
I personally prefer arch-lich, and you?
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Nebiiiii
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posted March 19, 2010 06:14 PM |
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Sorry for the arch-lich description..I wanna edit and write "enemies" but I can't.. 
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Elvin
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posted March 20, 2010 10:58 AM |
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This thread should give some hints. Anyways it's up to your planned tactics.
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Nebiiiii
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posted March 20, 2010 12:50 PM |
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I've seen it but I wanna know what the other people prefer 
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted March 20, 2010 01:09 PM |
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Personally I rather prefer archliches. You won't get much use of death cloud but it's pretty awesome, also can't say no to exp weakness or decay.
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ohforfsake
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posted March 20, 2010 01:52 PM |
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I've seen it but I wanna know what the other people prefer
I prefer arch liches, but I've ever only tried that type, so I'm probably not the right person to ask.
However, I think master is a higher quality title than arch and the ability to summon death people would certainly be great to have given some people you like is no more. - Is this type of spam out of line?
The difference of a master lich and an arch lich is like the difference of master vile of the power rangers series and of the arch vile of the doom 2 series.
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lumpor
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 20, 2010 02:39 PM |
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For creeping maybe arch-liches are better, but at that point you most likely have a healthy stack of vampires, in which case it won't matter too much.
In final battles I find the death cloud to be great against that big lump of archers and tanks in the corner.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted March 20, 2010 03:06 PM |
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I don't find Death Cloud to be that great. It only does half damage to surrounding stacks, and your damage normally isn't that great in the first place.
Personally, I normally go for Lich Masters because the Raise Dead simply is too useful not to take - if nothing else, because it's free mana.
Depending on the game, however, I sometimes find myself picking both. I'll have a stack of Masters to raise and a stack of Arch's to cast other spells (or shoot).
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Nebiiiii
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posted March 20, 2010 03:15 PM |
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I don't find Death Cloud to be that great. It only does half damage to surrounding stacks, and your damage normally isn't that great in the first place.
Personally, I normally go for Lich Masters because the Raise Dead simply is too useful not to take - if nothing else, because it's free mana.
Depending on the game, however, I sometimes find myself picking both. I'll have a stack of Masters to raise and a stack of Arch's to cast other spells (or shoot).
I don't find it a lot useful..Lich Master have only Raise Dead with basic mastery and advanced suffering..instead archliches have expert weakness, advanced decay and advanced suffering..for the spells they're better, this is all that a lich can count on cause he will be blocked (large creature) or if not he will do penalized damage by the range. So in the 90% of occasion he will do half damage..If archlich isn't blocked he can attack a lot of enemies even if he's not so strong, but is ever better than lich master..
This is what I think.. 
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted March 20, 2010 03:17 PM |
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You must not have seen lich focused necromancy with high luck  Though that's something against academy for the most part.
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tann_141
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posted March 20, 2010 10:09 PM |
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yes but why lich focused necromancy when you can go poltergeist focused necromancy, with arcane armor and vampirism ^^ gotta love those annoying guys the enemy won't even attack them for fear of missing... so it gives you a perfect chance to set up a power stack.. so they will stay alive a lot longer than everything else.. even if your damage is pitiful it gives you a lot of time to cast spells 
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lliihhaaoo
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 21, 2010 03:58 PM |
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Before month 2: Lich Master.
After month 2: Arch-lich.
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Arcax
Promising
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Its quite hot inside...
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posted March 21, 2010 05:14 PM |
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It doesnt matter on most of the maps since most players try to reach each others territory at week 9
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VokialBG
Honorable
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First in line
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posted March 21, 2010 07:23 PM |
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You need masters in early and maybe middle game to cast Raise Dead - to save creatures, when you don't have many. Arch's - late game, when you fight stronger enemy.
On other side, liches will get blocked after turn one (Palas, dragons... they always start with them, or the wights), you can't use them as shooters a lot.
Both are nice units I pick Masters usually.
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iNKARNATE
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 05, 2010 05:38 PM |
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I use arch liches usually. Worked for me in H3, works for me here  Altho the master looks a bit better I think.
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shvihka
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 05, 2010 07:11 PM |
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Lich Masters are the obvious choice, because of raise dead.
Also as alci said death cloud isn't so impressive in the first place so..
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emilsn
Legendary Hero
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posted April 07, 2010 03:08 PM |
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Exactly the thread I needed!
Just completed TotE Undead campaign
And not only Arch Liches vs Master Liches was a tough choice!
But I actully had Archliches through the whole campaign - Yes their dmg is a little worse and no deathcloud!
But the Raise dead is awesome! I used Masters to res and Hero to cast all the other nasty spells. They did the trick for me and I didn't have to waste a lot of rounds with my hero to ress my army.
I think Masters are best in longer battles and are more helpful, whereas Archliches are good for low tier monsters that are crowded - else they just look better
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 07, 2010 04:14 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 16:16, 07 Apr 2010.
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and if you have tactics, you may shield the archliches with warrior skellies and rot zombies. in that case, how good would they be? they are among the strongest shooters, with titans and arcane archer. well, I'm not convinced a necromancian has a high attack, but under the command of a barbarian they would deal totally massive damage, much more than centaurs (and ruin your morale)
that is also the reason why they are big, they are stronger than other level 5 shooters, they may also be stronger than witches, considering their growth
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Berny-Mac
Promising
Legendary Hero
Lord Vader
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posted April 07, 2010 05:40 PM |
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I concur with emilsn, the Lich Masters are superior in long battles, and the Archliches are superior in early creeping.
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lastsurvivor
Tavern Dweller
Wanderer of Magic
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posted April 13, 2010 04:43 PM |
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Personally i prefer archliches because of death cloud and decay. Because raise dead is not as powerful as before that casting 2 times raise dead on a stack makes stack's hp like hell. No use anymore.
So more damage and aoe is better i think.
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