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Grythandril
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posted February 03, 2002 01:14 AM |
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Thank You
Just to let you guys know i have bought BG2. And what a game. 4 CDs oh my i must be a very deep game. Just started with my own creation. Which is a human male mage chaotic good name Grythandril.
I love Minsc and his hamster. Very Good.
Imoen sounds like willow of buffy.
Will take this one very slowly.
But thanks for the advice.
Cheers for now
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Consis
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posted February 26, 2005 11:54 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 26 Feb 2005
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hrmf!
Was there ever any doubt? Maybe there was but I'm a devout fan as everyone already knows. I will take the story of Baldur's Gate with me to my grave. One day I will make this story as popular as Lord of the Rings. Alas, tis but a dream...
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Vadskye91
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posted February 27, 2005 01:41 AM |
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*agrees with Consis*
Try soloing it as a thief... You've never seen hard until you solo as a thief on Hard difficulty level.  I'm trying that right now...
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Consis
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posted February 27, 2005 03:29 AM |
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I Did
Assuming you don't cheat:
It's impossible to solo with any single character. I've tried every class and specialist. The die-hard fans swear a kensai/mage can do it, but I've proven it's impossible. The kensai/mage has a serious problem with mind spells such as charm. And don't even think about attempting the Mind Flayer city.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted February 28, 2005 10:47 PM |
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hehehe old thread, old poster... wheeee....
i will go totally off topic and say that the best ...and i do mean BEST... RPG i have ever played, is none other than...
Planescape: Torment
those who have played it know what i am talking about... the rest of you, just go get it... for such an old game, it can teach you a few things...
i think therefore i am... i think
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Vadskye91
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posted February 28, 2005 11:23 PM |
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Assuming you don't cheat:
It's impossible to solo with any single character. I've tried every class and specialist. The die-hard fans swear a kensai/mage can do it, but I've proven it's impossible. The kensai/mage has a serious problem with mind spells such as charm. And don't even think about attempting the Mind Flayer city.
It's not impossible. It's just nearly impossible.
First of all, you CANNOT try it without some small amount of trap detection and removal. Even if you need to dual class the instant you start the game, you NEED trap removal or else you're pretty much toast. Also, spells help immensely. I think a thief/mage either dual-classed or multi-classed would work extremely well. Tough fight? Stoneskin yourself and then backstab them into oblivivion. Or, set traps and lure them in with Magic Missile and Fireball. The possibilities are endless... if only you could dual to a Sorcerer. That would make you practically invincible...
With a pure thief, you have to choose Bounty Hunter basically. Assassin is practically crippled with 15%/level, and a Swashbuckler is out of the question without backstabbing. A no-kit thief might work too, but I like the special traps. I like 70% Detect Traps, 70% Open Locks, 70% Hide In Shadows, and 50% Move Silently, with remaining points going to setting traps. Then, just boost Detect Traps to 100%, Hide in Shadows to 100%, and Move Silently to about 80%, and Set Traps to 100% over the next few levels. You can safely ignore Pickpocketing and Detect Illusion; you need the 4 (5 if a Bounty Hunter) "primary" thieving skills up before even thinking about the others...
When you play, you will use your Special Abilities a TON. I reccomend Chaotic Good; Vampiric Touch is extremely useful, as is Horror and Larnoch's Minor Drain. I reccomend an elf; the Dex is useful, and not having to use a slot for Short Bow is useful (they are natually proficient in Short Bow, Long Bow and Crossbow, if I remember right.) Constitution is useful, as is Strength (although that's not as neccessary, as there are many items that boost strength). Wisdom is useful for the saves, but you can safely ignore Charisma. You can get the Charisma ring right after you pop out of the initial dungeon, so there's really no need to do anything with that. Also, remember, discretion is the better part of valor! Never go around a blind corner without being hidden in shadows. Traps are your best friend.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted March 01, 2005 11:45 AM |
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Bah, I had a long post but it got losted.
BG is teh bestest though.
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Consis
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posted March 01, 2005 06:41 PM |
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Hrm...
Lith-Maethor,
I have Torment. The best thing about Torment, in my opinion, is the story and mystery surrounding the city itself and the Lady of Pain. I do so love a good story. I constantly find myself wondering about the true identity of the Lady of Pain. Is she the city's true Queen or is she simply a powerful rogue-Tanar'ri in disguise? I also absolutely adore what they call the "cant"; the sort of common tongue of the city. I've always been a 'berk'-at-heart.
Vadskye91,
Assuming you make it past Bhodi(you'll probably need Drizzt for that), How do you intend to defeat Irenicus' pet Black Dragon in the Elf city? Correct me if I'm wrong but, I don't think you can backstab a 100ft-tall lizard that entangles your feet and breathes acid. 
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Marelt_Ekiran
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posted March 01, 2005 08:12 PM |
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I've never tried to finish the game solo, although, I did manage it with a duo. Just the protagonist (fighter) and Aerie (cleric/mage). It can be done, but it is pretty hard. What I noticed is that the game adapts the challenges to the current level of the characters. So when I was doing the Asylum, I was suddenly ambushed by a lich surrounded by Greater Mummies, and I was pretty sure that they were not there before.
The concequence was that I did have to do Bodhi's fight solo. After all, Aerie gets kidnapped right at the beginning of the battle. I managed to manipulate the game so that Aerie just managed to cast "negative plane protection" on me, so that I finished the first fight with the vampires (a level 25 fighter should not have trouble with a bunch of bloodsuckers) without level loss. Unfortunatly, the spell runs out pretty fast, so I lost it well before I even entered the crypt.
Of course, I was well-prepared. I had the support of the Thieves Guild and the Order of the Radiant Heart, as well as Drizzt. I stayed out of combat myself most of the time, although I did have to support the assasins, who otherwise wouldn't have made it, and I needed the master assasin for the traps upstrairs.
Upstairs, I let Drizzt do most of the fighting, but I had to enter combat as well against Bodhi. Fortunately, I could already use whirlwind attacks, which I also did. So that was the end of Bohdi.
Just before the battle with the vampires, I made sure to clear out the temple of Amaunator, so that I had no trouble resurrecting Aerie afterwards.
The Black Dragon was no problem. Aerie simply boosted me with some spells, summoned a bit of help and we kicked him around like a soccerball. Irenicus (treetops)... There is a trick to beating him. Make sure to have plenty of summoning spells memorized. Summon some lowly critters first. He will use his death spells on them. Then summon a Hakenraz. That will cost him a lot of spells, since the Hakenraz is immume to most of them. Then keep running away and summoning. Eventually, his protections will run out and he will be out of spells. At that point, you come in and knock him to hell (literaly). Irenicus in hell was even easier. The average demon didn't last a minute against a storm of swords and Aerie firepower. Irenicus himself went down pretty fast afterwards, seeing as I still had some whirlwind attacks, which really help against regeneration.
By the way, Consis. I've never done it, but from what I have heard, it is possible to bribe the Black Dragon into giving you the goblet. He will give it to you in exchange for all possessions you carry at the moment. Of course, you lay back your equipement a bit earlier if you do that.
However, in the expansion pack, I'm pretty sure there are a few fights which would be pretty much impossible for a thief. Most prominently, (spoilers ahead)
Sendai's final battle. The battle starts immediately once you enter the room, so there is no time to set traps, become invisible, or anything. And Sendai keeps animating statues, some of which are fighters, some of which are wizards. You can't actually hurt Sendai until you kill them all. And did I mention that drow elites keep pouring in to harass you?
The way I beat her was to let my fighter take care of the statues, while Aerie keeps summoning Devas and Aerial servants to keep the Drow at bay, with a Dragon's Breath spell handy if they broke loose, and a few heal spells to cure the fighter once he was worn down.
Draconis. In my opinion, one of the two hardest fights in the game (the other is the guardians of the fifth level in Watcher's Keep, but that fight is optional). You could backstab him, but it won't do you any good. Once you wear him down, he turns into a dragon and starts using your own tricks against you. He keeps flickering in and out of invisibility, heals himself and summons invisible stalkers to harass you. He also have this annoying tendency to pop up next to you and release 50+ damage breath attacks, wing attacks which knock a level 40 fighter down and unconscious, after which he shreds you up.
I had to have Aerie cast every protective spell known and face him up front, while my fighter snuck in every time and pounded him at the flanks. Still, this fight also took up a fair bit of the evening.
Amelyssan. This fight is adjusted to your own level. If you are level 40, they will give you a fight that would be tough for a party of level 40 characters. Even with my duo, I spend hours of reloading before I finally beat her. For a thief, it would be even harder. You fight on very tight spots, Amelyssan can pound immense amounts of damage with her staff and summon very tough demonic spirits at the same time, which all surround you. You also have to beat a couple of elemental princes, which I believe are not subject to backstabbing, etc. All of this has to be done in one run. You can't rest.
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AvatarEru
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Leader of Serbian mages
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posted May 13, 2005 01:43 PM |
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I am still trying to decide which of these two games I will buy. Is one better than the other i dont know.
Or
Should i just wait another month for Heroes IV.
I need opinions here please.
The BG is better no question about it
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Consis
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posted May 14, 2005 09:32 AM |
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Edited By: Consis on 14 May 2005
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10 Reasons Why BG2 Expansion Is Retarded
I feel it's pointless to describe the expansion to BG2 because every single battle is soo juiced and beefed that it loses the sense of adventure you get from BG1&2.
Irenicus dead  World saved Where's my hot elf co-star? Been there done that got the t-shirt Time for a new campaign with new plot and new characters...but nooooo...we couldn't leave well enough alone could we.
1. One character can fight armies solo? A few flasks of ale(magic ale) and some very handy saved games.
2. Super Mages with every last spell and oh yes my favorite, all can see invisible.
3. Super dragons that are 30-40ft tall. Don't forget they know spells like a super mage. Claw-Claw-Bite and you're taking damage in the form of a number. That number represents your health. Forget the fact that it could swallow you whole.
4. Army of monks? Um, LoL?
5. Big metal suit? Giant robot built from golden pantaloons and bronze underpants? Wha?....LoL what kind of medievil role playing game is this?
6. A tiny hummingbird-sized imp(with a really stupid lisp accent) happens to be a better smithy than anyone you've ever met. Where's his hammer and anvil? It's all in your head. Wonderful plot there. No really I want to know where he put the hammer to forge ...oh I don't know...the holy avenger + 13/makes you invincible/comes with its own set of laserbeams/a #4 Double cheeseburger/side order of fries/and super cola mega gut buster pizza man all wrapped in one.
7. Wish spell: don't even get me started on how unbelievably retarded that spell is. I wish the stupid "Pocket Plane" didn't really exist. WTF!!!
8. Wild Mage....riiiiight. Must be one of those things programmers do when they get really drunk. Hey let's make a new kind of character that goes crazy and kills the whole group! It's our latest form of Dungeon Master mischief! Mwahaha....*burp*....hahaha...falls over unconscious.
9. Melissan plotted against you the whole time. Didn't see that coming.
10. A new philosophy emerges: Kill a God--->become a God. Well....all done in a sort of Highlander fashion of course. "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!"...*best scottish accent*...
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Marelt_Ekiran
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posted May 14, 2005 11:41 AM |
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I feel it's pointless to describe the expansion to BG2 because every single battle is soo juiced and beefed that it loses the sense of adventure you get from BG1&2.
Irenicus dead World saved Where's my hot elf co-star? Been there done that got the t-shirt Time for a new campaign with new plot and new characters...but nooooo...we couldn't leave well enough alone could we.
Well, the original game still left the whole "I am the son of a god" storyline unfinished. So you at least have to admit that the storyline was not made up on the spot.
By the way? What hot elf co-star? You get to sleep with Aerie? Isn't that enough?
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1. One character can fight armies solo? A few flasks of ale(magic ale) and some very handy saved games.
Daily godish routine... On serious note, I found the expansion quite a bit more challenging it it's fights.
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2. Super Mages with every last spell and oh yes my favorite, all can see invisible.
What are they supposed to do then? Walk up to you and shout: "Eat my magic missile!!!" And they can't just see invisibility. They just all know that every peasant in this world is at least a level 15 character with appropriate spells, so they permanently have True Seeing memorized.
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3. Super dragons that are 30-40ft tall. Don't forget they know spells like a super mage. Claw-Claw-Bite and you're taking damage in the form of a number. That number represents your health. Forget the fact that it could swallow you whole.
Swallowing would be overpowered. If the dragon does that, you simply stab him in the tonsils and down he goes. No fun there.
Besides, every character has a sheet with squares on his back. Every time a dragon attacks, he uses his claws to put checkmarks on the sheet. If your sheet is full, you're out... Characters with a high constitution are sturdier and can therefore support a larger sheet.
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4. Army of monks? Um, LoL?
You attack a monestary. What did you expect? Marines?
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5. Big metal suit? Giant robot built from golden pantaloons and bronze underpants? Wha?....LoL what kind of medievil role playing game is this?
What? Aren't you allowed to have fun, because it's a medieval game? By the way, you're not actually turning into a giant robot. It's an optical illusion, caused by refracting light between three pairs of metallic underpants. Aristotle first developed it in the war against the Persians, after he found out that fashionable underwear caused hallucinations. An art which he perfected. However, in the Roman age, the tactic got too well known and soldiers were trained to resist the effect. Apparently, this hasn't been passed on to Faerun.
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6. A tiny hummingbird-sized imp(with a really stupid lisp accent) happens to be a better smithy than anyone you've ever met. Where's his hammer and anvil? It's all in your head. Wonderful plot there. No really I want to know where he put the hammer to forge ...oh I don't know...the holy avenger + 13/makes you invincible/comes with its own set of laserbeams/a #4 Double cheeseburger/side order of fries/and super cola mega gut buster pizza man all wrapped in one.
That is because only tiny creatures have enough eye for detail in order to create the perfect artifacts. And he magically summons a hammer when he needs one? Don't you think Bhaal would have kept around a butler with at least some capabilities?
Oh, and godly swords that summon free pie three times per day are awesome, you have to admit.
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7. Wish spell: don't even get me started on how unbelievably retarded that spell is. I wish the stupid "Pocket Plane" didn't really exist. WTF!!!
It's a great spell. You can have your enemies smitten, free lunch prepared, comfy sofa if you feel like it. You can wish away Aerie's clothes. And the pocket plane has extra secluded rooms for making out with Aerie and.... umm... Nevermind. I got carried away here.
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8. Wild Mage....riiiiight. Must be one of those things programmers do when they get really drunk. Hey let's make a new kind of character that goes crazy and kills the whole group! It's our latest form of Dungeon Master mischief! Mwahaha....*burp*....hahaha...falls over unconscious.
It is from a D&D supplement... And you have to admit. Nothing is as fun as running around in goofy clothes and shout to every monster around. FIREBALL, MWHUAHAHAHA... YOUR CRISP-FRIED ASS IS MINE!!!
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9. Melissan plotted against you the whole time. Didn't see that coming.
I figured that out when every single other character in the game was dead but the game still wasn't over. So I was glad that she was plotting against me. I'd hate to smash innocent NPC's, just to quell my lust for blood and guts.
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10. A new philosophy emerges: Kill a God--->become a God. Well....all done in a sort of Highlander fashion of course. "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!"...*best scottish accent*...
In my best Elton John accent: "It's the ciiiiiircleee of liiiiife....".
But of course, it makes perfect sense. Everyone knows that once a god is dead, his soul turns to a substance, which is somewhat similar to apple juice. This gave rise to the saying: "You hate being mortal, huh? Just suck it up, man!"
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Consis
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posted May 14, 2005 06:34 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 14 May 2005
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Sure Sure...
~You say you want Aerie as the hot elf co-star but you know deep down inside you're thinking about having mad zebra sex with the Dark Elf from the underworld of pain and pleasure VICONIA!  Don't lie. You know you want her. ...*cough*......I may or may not have chosen her as my love slave when I took the position for ruling as God of Murder. ...whistles casually...ho hum.
~Okay okay so maybe there was a bonified science behind the nut-job idea of turning underpants and pantaloons into a holographic robot suit. BUT that still doesn't explain the loss of mobility in the hind quarters! We're talking serious chafe! C'mon don't tell me I'm supposed to oil my underpants in the way the tin man did in the Wizard of Oz. Girls would surely laugh at me if they saw that.
~Stabbing a dragon in the tonsils. Um yeah. Right then. Moving on to more important debates.
~About that Spartan-like homosexual army of monks. W-T-F man! No seriously why would an army of Gay Rifle Association member monks gather in a cave? You'd think they 'd have the decency to live
in....
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temple...
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*cough*...MONASTERY?
 (Yeah you're right cave monks are much more fanatic in nature. They have yet to discover the wonder of stained glass windows...thus proving for some very cranky holy men who train for Kung Fu in darkness and candle light)
~Regarding the Wild Mage I have two words for you: Mercy-Killing
~All Pocket Plane comments may be directed to the brick wall on the west side of the building. (I hear the graffiti talks back )
~Of all the positions for God, it had to be the one that involves murder didn't it. Not the one of love; of sex; of cute little bunny rabbits that hop under brilliant rainbows; or even the God of Masturbation(LoL Svarog)? Yes murder folks. War, brutality, anger, hate....hey wait a minute! Perhaps I should turn my lightsabre from green/blue to Red/pink.
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Roland
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posted May 14, 2005 07:32 PM |
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i will go totally off topic and say that the best ...and i do mean BEST... RPG i have ever played, is none other than...
Planescape: Torment
those who have played it know what i am talking about... the rest of you, just go get it... for such an old game, it can teach you a few things...
i think therefore i am... i think
Yes Planscape Torment Is the best, and what make it better in my opinion the way of “open conversation” so you have to be careful most of the times what to say.
I know nothing about POR, but I know that BG2 is an excellent game.
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"This nation will not thrive unless philosophers rule or the governors philosophize." Plato
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