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JollyJoker
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posted July 08, 2010 10:38 AM |
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In't know about Microsoft GAMES either. I meant their general software.
By the way, and as an interesting sidenote, this IS somewhat troubling in terms of what amount of information Microsoft actually gets.
We have a business license with 10 licences for each MS product. That means installing and activating for example MS Office on 10 machines. If you activated the license 10 times and all machines are still active, if you install it on an 11th machine you'll get a message that you can't activate the thing because you used up all licenses.
If you DE-INSTALL it on one machine or if a machine breaks down and is dead, hocus-pocus, you have another license available.
I actually tried that out. I got a new laptop last year and wanted to install Office 2003 on it, but couldn't, due to used up licenses.
Then another machine broke down - graphics adapter meltdown, destroying the adapter slot on the board as well.
I called MS support to ask about that, and they told me, in case of a broken machine I'd "automatically" get a new license, I'd have another activation then. That got me by surprise, as you can imagine, but when I blurted out, "How's that", unsurprisingly the answer was, we won't tell you.
But it was true. I tried it, and, yes.
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antipaladin
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posted July 08, 2010 10:52 AM |
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well,if i have 2 computers and one copy of windows why should i buy another copy?
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JollyJoker
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posted July 08, 2010 11:02 AM |
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Usually, a computer comes with an OEM verion of an OS, so you don't need a copy anyway.
If you buy a "naked computer" then you have to buy an OS - which is licensed to ONE (or a certain amount of) activation(s) only.
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posted July 08, 2010 12:24 PM |
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Bin: it's not just a single developer. BOth EA and Ubisoft (yup) agree with the statement. And they both plan to introduce "The 10$ fee for using a second hand game". More will probably follow.
My whole point was the irony of some developer claiming that legal action brings more harm than illegal. Sad to see their only reaction is to milk legal users some more.
We have enough banditry going on with so called "DLC". They are often a single addition to a game (some new items for Dragon Age, or a new civilization for Civ5) - and they cost 1/8 - 1/4 of original game's worth. Comparing the time needed to make them, the content they bring and their price makes you wonder why something that gives you 0.1% content of original game and maybe 1% of the playtime of original game costs 25% of the game price. DLCs are robbery. Those things should belong in solid expansion packs or be released with original game, as it was in the past. heck, even patches (free ones) used to give more content. What if Blizzard announced they will charge 1$ per each runeword and item addded to Diablo 2 in 1.10 patch? And the amount of stuff they addded was like 10x more the **** Bioware adds for 5$ to their game.
Seriously, who the heck invented DLCs. Soon we'll have an FPS released with 4 guns and an option to pay 5$ each additional weapon - with 10 available. Stripping the original game out of the content to sell it for more cash later is ridiculous. As if I sold a car with no back seats and offered you back seats a month later for 20% of the car's price.
and after DLCs, this stupid "no to used games" follows. Seriously, I was mostly pro-piracy before, but with companies like those, I'm 100% for piracy now. Good we still have normal companies like Runic Games (with Torchlight being cheap and free of stupid **** like DLCs and complicated licenses)
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JollyJoker
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posted July 08, 2010 12:37 PM |
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I fail to see the logic in your post.
If you think, something is too expensive, you don't buy it. Period.
Alternatively you may just WAIT - in time the stuff wll become cheaper.
I mean, you DID understand capitalism, didn't you? People want to make a PROFIT with what they are doing, and they want to MAXIMIZE that profit. Why would game companies be different?
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posted July 08, 2010 12:51 PM |
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If you think, something is too expensive, you don't buy it. Period.
And so I don't. Does it mean I can't express my feelings about it?
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I mean, you DID understand capitalism, didn't you? People want to make a PROFIT with what they are doing, and they want to MAXIMIZE that profit. Why would game companies be different?
Of course I do. Thing is, they are moaning about something legal, practiced in every branch there is - and only the gaming industry makes a fuss about it. I find it a bit funny, if not stupid, that's all.
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posted July 08, 2010 02:01 PM |
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Most Microsoft OS software can be installed legally on another machine provided you remove it from the previous one. You can also call the number provided if you run out of activations to get them reset.
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posted July 08, 2010 03:38 PM |
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The activation limit on Microsoft OS, is that not set to yearly reset?
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posted July 09, 2010 02:04 PM |
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Personally I don't care much since the present day gaming industry is only pooping out 'succes formulas' for the sole purpose of generating profits; they don't give two cents about producing original and quality games.
Heck, back in the days, you actually bought COMPLETE games. Nowadays, you buy the first half, and the rest comes in PATCHES. If you're lucky.
The moment a creative industry turns into a money-making industry, it loses any pretence of being 'creative'.
Which fortunately doesn't stop those who have a true passion for it to create -without- an eye on making profits. The sweet sweet irony is, that those people actually provide their products for free. That's how you can tell who truly enjoys their business 
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antipaladin
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posted July 09, 2010 03:58 PM |
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Usually, a computer comes with an OEM verion of an OS, so you don't need a copy anyway.
If you buy a "naked computer" then you have to buy an OS - which is licensed to ONE (or a certain amount of) activation(s) only.
or i can crack it,and keep the extra money,due to new law,that is in israel you cannot buy a normal priced windows copy of 500 shekels unless you buy full pc,then you must pay retail virsion for 1500 shekels... hmmm,or should i get pirated? maybe if the prices ware more down to earth...
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shyranis
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posted July 09, 2010 06:46 PM |
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due to new law,that is in israel you cannot buy a normal priced windows copy of 500 shekels unless you buy full pc,then you must pay retail virsion for 1500 shekels... hmmm,or should i get pirated? maybe if the prices ware more down to earth...
Hm... how is the exchange rate in canadian dollars, if it's worth it you could buy an OEM copy from Canada (you only have to buy a piece of hardware, like a new hard drive or something to get a new OEM windows copy here). I wonder if The Trailing Edge ships internationally? (Those are canadian dollars... which USED to be significantly lower than US dollars instead of taking turns on top the last 4 years)
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posted July 09, 2010 10:35 PM |
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Heck, back in the days, you actually bought COMPLETE games. Nowadays, you buy the first half, and the rest comes in PATCHES DLC. If you're lucky.
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posted July 10, 2010 03:16 AM |
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DF: I'm totally with you on the DLC.
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posted July 10, 2010 05:22 AM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 05:23, 10 Jul 2010.
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posted July 10, 2010 05:31 AM |
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Lol not that, silly. 
DLC= DownLoadable Content (Acronym relevant letters capitalized for emphasis)
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Moonlith
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posted July 10, 2010 01:32 PM |
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That's what I said Patches!
You can judge how professional and passionate a company is about producing quality games by seeing how much it needs to be patched after release.
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DagothGares
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posted July 10, 2010 01:36 PM |
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That's what I said Patches!
You can judge how professional and passionate a company is about producing quality games by seeing how much it needs to be patched after release.
Or, you know, how much time they had before they had to release it...
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Moonlith
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posted July 10, 2010 01:48 PM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 13:49, 10 Jul 2010.
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Creating a work of art has no time limit.
Deadlines are pretty stupid in that field of work. It's no excuse to bring to the market a half-finished product.
"Oh yeah, sorry, we didn't finish the other half of this chair yet, but you can buy it now, and will bring you the rest later. You will have to manually put it together yourself though, sorry."
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posted July 10, 2010 01:50 PM |
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That's what I said Patches!
Nonono, patches fix bugs and are free
DLC is adding horse armor in Oblivion for cash
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Moonlith
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posted July 11, 2010 01:00 AM |
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So it's actually even worse than patches!
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