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posted October 04, 2012 10:10 PM |
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Yes, having a non-representational autocracy is a much better solution.
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posted October 04, 2012 11:10 PM |
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According to a CNN poll 67% of the viewers of the debate say Romney won. 25% say Obama won. I think the 25% were stoned at the time. 82% said Romney did better than expected, More than 60% said Obama did worse than expected. 35% said they are more likely to vote for Romney, 18% more likely to vote for Obama.
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Denver, Colorado (CNN) – Two-thirds of people who watched the first presidential debate think that Republican nominee Mitt Romney won the showdown, according to a nationwide poll conducted Wednesday night.
According to a CNN/ORC International survey conducted right after the debate, 67% of debate watchers questioned said that the Republican nominee won the faceoff, with one in four saying that President Barack Obama was victorious.
"No presidential candidate has topped 60% in that question since it was first asked in 1984," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
While nearly half of debate watchers said the showdown didn't make them more likely to vote for either candidate, 35% said the debate made them more likely to vote for Romney while only 18% said the faceoff made them more likely to vote to re-elect the president.
More than six in ten said that president did worse than expected, with one in five saying that Obama performed better than expected. Compare that to the 82% who said that Romney performed better than expected. Only one in ten felt that the former Massachusetts governor performed worse than expected.
"This poll does not and cannot reflect the views of all Americans. It only represents the views of people who watched the debate and by definition cannot be an indication of how the entire American public will react to Wednesday's debate in the coming days," cautions Holland.
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posted October 04, 2012 11:26 PM |
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Yes, having a non-representational autocracy is a much better solution.
Maybe you should look at Russia and create a "democratic" oligarchy. People in Russia love Putin.
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posted October 05, 2012 12:22 AM |
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The political parties in the US are just so extremly polarized so it seems impossible for anyone to really make any big changes. For a two-party state, I think a better option would be that the one who wins gets to decide everything that's on a federal level.
But imo, the superior form of government is a technocratorship where the country is ruled by scientists who actually know what they're doing.
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posted October 05, 2012 12:34 AM |
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technocratorship
This might just be the awesomest word I've ever heard.
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posted October 05, 2012 08:44 AM |
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So long technocratorship rules out pseudoscience like Psychology and a lot of economic studies and a lot of the state studies, I would be rather fine with that. Those can be replaced with experiments where the experimentalists admit they messed up, or failed, or succeeded partially. Most of the problems with a lot of goverments today is that they ignore the feedback loops, or ignore reviewing their psuecoscientific experiments because of political agendas.
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posted October 05, 2012 07:26 PM |
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This little gem belongs here...
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posted October 06, 2012 01:08 PM |
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But imo, the superior form of government is a technocratorship where the country is ruled by scientists who actually know what they're doing.
The best system I think there is:
Direct democracy
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posted October 06, 2012 05:00 PM |
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The best gov in the world is something like Deus Ex Invisible War Helios ending
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posted October 06, 2012 07:45 PM |
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Unemployment lowered to a national average of 7.8% in September's report, less than 2 months shy of election time. This is not good. This is not good at all. We need 25% unemployment and droves of military widows and orphans on the street dammit.
Underemployment is still in the 18% range, but that doesn't seem to get as much attention. Part-time jobs are immensely better than nothing, but they're only going to go so far.
Of course as been said many times, the group of heavy battleground states are where the election is really going to be decided. Obama could go commando, break into the CDC and unleash weaponized smallpox into the atmosphere and Vermont would still vote for him, or vice versa for Romney in Texas.
-Virginia had under 4% unemployment in 2007 and it's still up at 5.9% right now, with only mild decreases.
-North Carolina's unemployment is up at 9.7%, and last month it actually experienced an increase.
-Ohio's unemployment is at 7.2% and it's been going down pretty steadily
-Florida's is at 8.8% and it experienced a slight increase
-Nevada is way up at 12.1% and it experienced an increase
-Missouri is at 7.2%, it's decreased some along with most of the country, but only mild decreases in the past few months
-Colorado is at 8.2% and it hasn't really had a recovery in this regard at all.
-Wisconsin is at 7.5% and it experienced a pretty nasty bump
Obviously this isn't necessarily going to translate to votes, but jobs is one of the most fundamental factors in any election. It will be interesting to see how the relative success of the job market in each state matches up with who it ends up voting in favor of.
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posted October 06, 2012 11:06 PM |
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Direct democracy
Love the Swizz system. It has a lot of flaws, but the fact it can bypass the states political "safeguard"(which is usually stagnating other countries), is the major upside and advantage.
Of course, if a mass indoctrination first where started, it would affect the system.
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posted October 07, 2012 12:22 AM |
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Govt unemployment rate is a bogus statistic anyway, since it only surveys people who are actively looking for work. I don't really buy the conspiracy theorists' claim the number was rigged. Sometimes a coincidence really is a coincidence. If you look at the more important number (net # of jobs added), you'll see the jobs situation really isn't improving as much as the unemployment rate seems to indicate. It barely cracked six figures for sept.
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posted October 07, 2012 08:35 AM |
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Eh, I've heard these criticisms in the past over the unemployment rate. For the sake of money and sanity, if not anything else, it only gathers data on active job seekers. It's easy and cheap to keep track of and doesn't make it a burden to release reports on it month by month. I don't think that merits calling it bogus, but it's inadequate to just look at the unemployment rate. It's also useful to look at underemployment and at welfare programs to see how many people are tapping into them; people that aren't bothering to look for work would likely affect how much these welfare programs are being used. Food stamps and WIC have been steadily gaining membership. The intended purpose of the unemployment rate was for the DoL to gauge how successful they're being in helping people with job placement, and it's gradually shifted into being viewed as something more than that, even though it isn't.
Either or; the unemployment data the DoL releases each month has been consistently making the headlines at the start of each month, so it matters for the election.
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posted October 07, 2012 05:31 PM |
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Most of the problems with a lot of goverments today is that they ignore the feedback loops, or ignore reviewing their psuecoscientific experiments because of political agendas.
Spot on and I would add; and the dollars that will stream-in to whatever "Party and/or campaign" will not be abandoned. Why that would be political suicide.
I don't normally watch American politics anymore because the whole staged-event is more akin to a Hollywood movie. But my wife and I did watch one of the debates when trapped in a hospital bed and nothing has changed, except maybe, many more false smiles.
<imo>Del Diablo mentioned the "politial agendas" and that's where any chance of real politics are flushed down the toilet of greed. We have two parties and they nearly control the whole pie. Everything divides between party-lines, not a unified process geared towards what is best for the people of this country.
If you want to see a good plan to get any country back on track with its people; then read "Washington's Farewell-Address of 1796". Then...undo each symptom that is evident. This man was the real-deal when he left government.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington's_Farewell_Address
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posted October 07, 2012 06:51 PM |
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Any metric that doesn't really represent what it is designed to represent is, in my mind, bogus. "Unemployment rate" as it is calculated does not actually represent the proportion of unemployed people. If the "unemployment rate" can go down while the actual fraction of unemployed people goes up (or vice-versa), then it's not a good metric. You don't like the word "bogus"? Fine. How about "useless"?
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posted October 08, 2012 04:21 AM |
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posted October 08, 2012 05:11 AM |
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posted October 08, 2012 07:35 AM |
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Ah, my friend has been telling me about this... good show, with more substance to it than any of the presidential debates will have (I'm certain). I would have to say that, based on the points Xerox made with speech 101 a while back there, that Mr. Stewart would be the winner of this debate. He was confident, witty, charming, convincing and just looked good up there. Also, that lift...  Bill, on the other hand, while confident and assured did not project as well and was not as fluent or as charismatic as Stewart. I'd say that John should win the presidency, anyone else?
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posted October 08, 2012 08:10 AM |
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Question & Answer in the later half:
'If the US were burning, what famous person would you save and why? Bill why don't you go first'
Bill: "If the US were burning, what famous person would you save and why. Hmm. I would save Oprah. She's worth a hundred billion dollars. How about you Jon?"
Jon: "Uhh... my family. But hey listen, Oprah's a great answer too."
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posted October 08, 2012 07:52 PM |
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The copyright demons took the video down...
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