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posted February 08, 2011 03:42 AM |
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Former President Bush's World Just Got Smaller...A Lot Smaller.
Here is the article
Wow. Just wow. To hear him actually muttered in the same breath as the esteemed Pinochet just sends chills down my spine. Good job Euros, for having the cojones to let him know what he's in for the day he touches the foreign soil of a nation that ratified that treaty.
Unfortunately, the timing's just a liiiitttle bit off. Next time such a high ranking war criminal is thinking about checking out your side of the world, maybe you could welcome them with REALLY open arms before you slap on the cuffs.
Y'know, offer'em a huge litre-sized mug of Swiss Miss hot cocoa and while they're sipping on it, *kwapap*.
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posted February 08, 2011 04:31 AM |
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I think Bush just forfeited any claims he might have had to being alpha by running away from the Swiss.
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posted February 08, 2011 03:40 PM |
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As I understand it (according to ABC News, anyway), the meeting was cancelled due to safety concerns, and also as I understand it, Bush wasn't the one to cancel it.
Shows you the power of spin.
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posted February 08, 2011 07:43 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 19:46, 08 Feb 2011.
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Lol!!! The huffy puffy liberal loon rag you quoted lied. AOL bought the huffy puffy post so I guess AOL is going all out loony-tunes propaganda.
This from the liberal yahoo site.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/bushs-swiss-visit-canceled-amid-calls-for-his-arrest
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Bush had been set to speak at a Feb. 12 gala honoring the United Israel Appeal. But on Saturday, the group canceled Bush's appearance. A lawyer for the group told Swiss media that the reason wasn't legal threats, but rather the rising risk of violence surrounding the event.
A spokesman for Bush told the Post that the former president was disappointed that his speech was canceled.
The Swiss government is not stupid enough to arrest Bush or charge him with war crimes.
Judging how many liberal "protests" go I have no doubt vioence was a very strong possibility.
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posted February 08, 2011 07:48 PM |
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The Swiss government is not stupid enough to arrest Bush or charge him with war crimes.
On the other hand.... nothing is stopping them from sending him to a internation court for commiting war crimes 
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posted February 08, 2011 07:54 PM |
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Oh, to back up yahoo, here is the fair and balanced network.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/05/president-bush-cancels-geneva-visit-amid-security-concerns/
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Bush's spokesman David Sherzer said the two-term president was informed Friday by the United Israel Appeal that his Feb. 12 dinner speech in Geneva had been called off.
"We regret that the speech has been canceled," Sherzer told The Associated Press in an e-mail Saturday. "President Bush was looking forward to speaking about freedom and offering reflections from his time in office."
Saturday's edition of Swiss daily Tribune de Geneve quoted the Jewish charity's lawyer, Robert Equey, as saying the visit was canceled because of the risk that protests by left-wing groups could result in violence.
There were no war crimes. And the Geneva Convention only applies to soldiers who were detained while wearing the uniform of their nation. The Muslim terrorists were not soldiers in uniform or representing any nation.
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posted February 08, 2011 08:35 PM |
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Edited by kodial79 at 20:44, 08 Feb 2011.
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Wether it was Swiss Government or whoever else that asked for Bush to be prosecuted and organized protests against him, it doesn't matter. In fact, Bush is hated all over the world, and he will not be moving freely out of his cave, because this is what will happen.
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posted February 08, 2011 08:39 PM |
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There's a lot of Africans that like him.
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posted February 08, 2011 08:54 PM |
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Edited by kodial79 at 20:55, 08 Feb 2011.
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So that could be about the only good thing that his administration did. Not because they care, but to help mend his miserable image and, well, they were probably getting back profits tenfold out of it...
It's just a white spot in an otherwise black history. And in the long run, it means absolutely nothing.
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posted February 08, 2011 08:59 PM |
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I happen to think Bush shouldn't have provided funding to Africa for AIDS, but I'm just saying... he's not hated everywhere. That's erroneous. There's a significant amount of people that still like him in Africa and South America (and as often happens, his popularity has slightly increased now that he's no longer president).
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posted February 08, 2011 11:29 PM |
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There were no war crimes. And the Geneva Convention only applies to soldiers who were detained while wearing the uniform of their nation. The Muslim terrorists were not soldiers in uniform or representing any nation.
Oh, so they were just torturing civilians. Then it's all right.
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posted February 09, 2011 05:28 AM |
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There were no war crimes. And the Geneva Convention only applies to soldiers who were detained while wearing the uniform of their nation. The Muslim terrorists were not soldiers in uniform or representing any nation.
Sorry to have to be the one who breaks it to you... The Geneva convention really does apply to civilians in practice as well as soldiers. War crimes were still committed, and no amount of country pride will ever change that.
In theory, it should only apply to soldiers, but the conditions have been changed in practice almost since the day it was written.
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posted February 18, 2011 06:56 PM |
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So then, if not the Geneva Conventions, which law? Or are you implying, Elodin, that the very allegation of "terrorist" entitles the United State to do whatever they want, without any further support or constraint?
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7092435.ece
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/19/ex-bush-official-guantanamo-bay-innocent/#
http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-03-20/news/17215507_1_guantanamo-detainees-combatants
http://ccrjustice.org/newsroom/press-releases/court-orders-release-17-innocent-guantanamo-detainees-u.s.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/02/19/exceptionalism
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posted February 18, 2011 10:05 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 22:07, 18 Feb 2011.
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So then, if not the Geneva Conventions, which law? Or are you implying, Elodin, that the very allegation of "terrorist" entitles the United State to do whatever they want, without any further upport or constraint?
Pretty much. The Geneva Convention says such people can be executed.
A person caught on the field of battle not in uniform shooting at our soldiers is guilty by any sane person's reasonings.
As for the Constitution, it only protects the rights of US citizens.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Notice that the purpose was to protect the people of the US, not terrorists from Iran or elsewhere.
If you claim it protects the people of the whole world then I say, "Yeeee haaa! Lets get the wars on!" We should start with invading Canada because they do not recognize freedom of speech (they limit it WAY more than the US Constituion allows.) After that we should take Cuba and sweep through Central and South America and then expand our protections of Constitutional rights overseas.
In fact, Obama should announce tomorrow that all the laws and Constitutions of other nations are null and void and everyone will immediately subject themselves to the US Constitution or be destroyed by a rain of nuclear missiles. Of course to minimize nuclear fallout we affecting the US we should use conventional weapons to take everything in the Americas.
Yeee haaaa! Let's get to spreading that Constitutional protection around!
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posted February 18, 2011 11:48 PM |
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If you claim it protects the people of the whole world then I say, "Yeeee haaa! Lets get the wars on!" We should start with invading Canada because they do not recognize freedom of speech (they limit it WAY more than the US Constituion allows.) After that we should take Cuba and sweep through Central and South America and then expand our protections of Constitutional rights overseas.
In fact, Obama should announce tomorrow that all the laws and Constitutions of other nations are null and void and everyone will immediately subject themselves to the US Constitution or be destroyed by a rain of nuclear missiles. Of course to minimize nuclear fallout we affecting the US we should use conventional weapons to take everything in the Americas.
Yeee haaaa! Let's get to spreading that Constitutional protection around!
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
But I think that Peacemaker was trying to say that we should stop acting so... Hypocritically. We claim to stand up for these rights, but then squash them when it comes to other countries.
To get back to the point of this thread, Bush should have acted less hypocritical and also followed the laws mandated by the Geneva Convention, and our own set of moral codes.
PS: Stay the hell away from Canada... The mounties will kick our collective @sses. 
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posted February 18, 2011 11:56 PM |
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Bush is not hated in Europe. Actually we think that his cretinism drooped USA into long years of debts, started a war based on evident lies and his actions killed a lot of innocent people. A totally irresponsible president for such great nation. But hated, no, who could hate such a clown? It deserved the people who voted for him.
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posted February 19, 2011 09:49 AM |
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As usual Elodin, you assume too much.
The Geneva conventions were more or less a gentleman's agreement between major powers.
What Bush is facing is a violation of the UN Convention against Torture, of which the U.S. is indeed a signatory and therefore falls under its umbrella.
He confessed that he authorized waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture. Therefore he's a war criminal. It does not matter that the enemy was not wearing a formal uniform of a nation's military. You don't torture. Period. No ifs ands or buts.
As for young men shooting at our military, you claim they're automatically terrorists. Interesting.
Here's a passage from Shelby Foote, a writer and as southern a gentleman there was, talking about the civil war.
"Early in the conflict, [he used to say], a squad of Union soldiers closed in on a ragged Johnny Reb. Figuring that he did not own slaves, nor had much interest in the constitutional question of secession, they asked him: "What are you fighting for, anyhow?" The Confederate replied: "I'm fighting because you're down here."
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posted February 20, 2011 04:38 AM |
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Edited by Elodin at 04:44, 20 Feb 2011.
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1) Loony anti-American UN will never rule over America. 
American law overrides any law the UN may think to impose on America.
2) Lawyers advised Bush that waterboarding is not torture. You think it is. Tough.
Oh, the loony Marxist Obama knew about waterboarding as a member of Congress as did all the other loonycrats.
3) Waterboarding was done on 3 people, all known terrorists.
4) FACT: the information gained saved American lives, something that burns many liberals up as many of them would have loved to see more dead Americans.
5)The Military Commissions Act of 2006 retroactively rewrote the War Crimes Act effectively making policy makers, i.e. politicians and military leaders, and those applying policy, i.e. Central Intelligence Agency interrogators and US Army soldiers, no longer subject to legal prosecution under U.S. law for what before the amendment was defined as a war crime, such as torture.[10] Because of that critics describe the MCA as an amnesty law for crimes committed in the "War on Terror".
So Marxist Americans can start crying now because neither Bush nor any other American will ever be called a war criminal for their patriotic protection of the United States.
6) The US needs to pull out of the anti-American UN. It is nothiung but wasted taxpayer money.
Bush is a patriotic American. It is sad that some liberals call think he should just have let many thousands/millinos more Americans be murdered.
Oh yeah, do your homework. Waterboarding was also done under Clinton and Carter.
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posted February 20, 2011 04:51 AM |
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Do you have links handy that site Carter and Clinton approving of waterboarding? I'm not necessarily doubting you; I'm just curious now.
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posted February 20, 2011 04:53 AM |
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The US needs to pull out of the anti-American UN. It is nothiung but wasted taxpayer money.
So not only do you condone torture, unlawful behavior, imperialism and total war, but you are also an isolationist? Every post of yours that I have seen on this thread has been an attack on another poster's opinion, facts, source of information, political preference or country. Please stop giving them a bad impression of us US posters... 
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