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Mytical
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posted May 31, 2011 07:54 AM |
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Ok..but ponder this. Lets say pedophiles or rapist get ahold of this drug (and some would find away). Would be like a advanced version of Rohypnal (spelling, I suck at it). The victims don't remember, so how can it be reported to the police?
There is a great chance for absuse of the drug here.
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posted May 31, 2011 09:10 AM |
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"Metyrapone is a drug that significantly decreases the levels of cortisol, a stress hormone that is involved in memory recall," explained lead author Marie-France Marin. Manipulating cortisol close to the time of forming new memories can decrease the negative emotions that may be associated with them.
It sounds more like this drug reduces the negative reaction to a memory rather than removing the memory itself.
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Mytical
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posted May 31, 2011 09:14 AM |
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Ah, now that is a much more useful drug.
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posted May 31, 2011 09:40 AM |
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Edited by Smithey at 09:43, 31 May 2011.
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Well, yeah I think 3 pills for a lifetime system is much better. Don't you think? So she/he will think hard about when to use every one of the pills.
And to be specific about the memories that people would certainly choose to erase: rape, being beaten brutally, witnessing the death of someone you love, and such. I would certainly erase if lived one of these, that I know for sure.
Well I don't know if I can agree with your idea because the whole concept of people will think hard and trauma just don't work that well together...
Think about it, you have just been through an emotional, physical (or both) trauma, the last thing on your mind is rational logical way of thinking, people in a state of trauma don't think, they would use the pill on petty stuff to get rid of the pain (that's why people drink and take drugs to take the pain away, so this would be the same thing)
the other part of the equation is... What happens to us without the pain ?
Aren't the most famous artists/painters/musicians/writers exactly those who went through traumas ? Isn't pain one of the strongest emotions, the one that pushes us to be creative, isn't pain exactly what brings us such wonderful things, isn't pain what makes us humans what makes us appreciate life more ?
You say girl gets raped, pops the pill and forgets about it, I say that same girl can get raped and then write a book which will touch millions all across the globe...Not claiming I'm right though, just claiming that things are more complex than what they seem to be...
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posted May 31, 2011 01:33 PM |
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But eveyone can't be capable of handling that traumas like that, and also cannot be capable to create an art out of them. Some go crazy, some go mute, some get sick?
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Ok..but ponder this. Lets say pedophiles or rapist get ahold of this drug (and some would find away). Would be like a advanced version of Rohypnal (spelling, I suck at it). The victims don't remember, so how can it be reported to the police?
There is a great chance for absuse of the drug here.
That's true. But seing the other alternative is the victim of the rape is murdered by the raper right after the crime in most cases, I think the pill is more preferrable. But of course, it would be better to have a drug to stop these people's tendencies towards rape and murder 
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posted May 31, 2011 04:44 PM |
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Such a drug will result in more harm than good. We all have positive and negative experiences in life and have to learn how to cope with both. Negative experiences can help us grow if we respond to them properly. Erasing memories of "negative experiences" also means we erase our ability to have empathy for others going through such experiences and lessens our ability to help them.
I am going to disagree here.
Most people have never been trough proper child abuse, extreme rape, or roughly anything like that.
But for some reason they can still comprehend and be empathic with the people who has been put trough it.
The other problem is a really simple one: Negative experience is good because it makes you stronger, too much negative experience permanently cripples you.
The reason it cripples you is because how brain has a retarded way of processing information: It searches for the information, takes up anything related to it, and pushes it into your mind. Brutal rape? Every single time you recall something from the scene of the crime it will also bring along the extremely traumatic rape memories.
What is therapy? Therapy is to forcefully recall the memories, but get partially used to it, so they lose the "extremely traumatic experience" flag.
And every single memory you have that is related to the event also tends to have this flag, so it is not just purging the trauma itself, but also every small piece of it(what you wore that day, what you did, what lead up to it, spesific conversation subjects, what happened immidietly afterwards).
When you recall a memory, you rewrite it. But if you can manage to rewrite it into something a little less graphic, or severe a few of the ties to extremely bad emotions the problem almost goes away....
Except that if somebody gets you to properly think, you can still do a perfect reconstruction of them, and they will regain their former shape.
My stance can be summed down to that the human mind is extremely fragile, like glass, if you can find the appropiate situation to put it in. Give me an hour and a human, and I can most likely figure out a way to completely break him or her to the point where they will have extreme trouble recovering.
The human mind has no way of actually working around extremely traumatic experiences, and even going to a brainshrink is just turning up the speed which you turn of the flags on each bad memory.
This drug is something extremely important: It means you can give it to a person who has been trough the worst, and after a week the small demons slipping trough their minds no longer has any cracks to go trough.
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posted May 31, 2011 05:34 PM |
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I don't know what to think about this... I, for one have gone through some serious sh!t myself, with plenty of negative emotions to have about it, but I never want to forget how it made me feel. The driving force behind my actions was so often the desire to never feel like that again, I literally lost count. In fact, some of my core personality traits are what they are because of the aforementioned sh!t. It shaped my entire outlook on life, among other things, for example. And while it still haunts me sometimes(Along with the mire of hopeless what-ifs), it helped me develop qualities I'm not sure I would have otherwise, and those qualities in turn, made my life incomparably better. Were I to forget the feelings associated to it, I fear I would undergo a change so absolute, it would be as if I was killed, at least that's what I think. While there are cases where it would surely help, there are a lot of ethical questions to consider, and it should be used ONLY a last resort, when all other options have failed.
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posted May 31, 2011 05:43 PM |
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Wasn't it originally called booze?
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posted May 31, 2011 05:48 PM |
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Booze only supresses recalling memories.
This snow does not supress the calling bit, but removes the negative feedback.
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posted May 31, 2011 07:40 PM |
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I wonder if it can help Severe depression!
Usually it comes from the past & remembering the bad things that has happened!
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posted May 31, 2011 08:01 PM |
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I had a customer at work to day who thought it was funny to say to me he was going to use his angina spray as a date rape drug on me. It works by dropping your blood pressure rapidly so therefore if you haven't got angina you would collapse and be unresponsive for a while. That was scarey.
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posted May 31, 2011 08:17 PM |
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I had a customer at work to day who thought it was funny to say to me he was going to use his angina spray as a date rape drug on me. It works by dropping your blood pressure rapidly so therefore if you haven't got angina you would collapse and be unresponsive for a while. That was scarey.
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posted June 01, 2011 12:20 AM |
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that's the way to solve those problems. we can't afford to take the time to work on ourselves to fix things. we need to be efficient.
it's like in brave new world : your life sucks? take a pill.
in matrix it's the contrary 
while it seems easy to solve problems this way, may not it lead to humanity being less and less able to adapt itself and confront problems?
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