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desmond7
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posted July 12, 2011 07:38 PM |
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Best town vs Tower
me and my friend are planing to play a heroes 3. The loser will pay for meal and beer so it`s better to win  I am not new in heroes, my experience is more than 3 years of playing. So, i want to hear your opinion:
What town is the best(and heroe of that town) to play vs Tower(he will be tower  ) in a large, lets say semi-rich or rich map?
I am considering between Necropolis, Dungeon, or Castle. Or maybe flux, but i used to play SOD, so i am not experienced with this one enaugh.
So lets see what u think.
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revolut1oN
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posted July 12, 2011 10:12 PM |
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Necro and Conflux are imba so i won't mention them here. I'd go for Stronghold since it has great start and Tower needs huge amount of time to become a serious threat. I'm talking about 130% here: If Wolf Riders are pre built get rocks day 2, then behemoth lair and start clearing your area. Week 1 u should have behemoths + castle, 3 rocks, behemoth and some fodder in your main. Week 2/3 upgrade Behemoths. Get Crag Hack as starting hero, tactics offense logistics air magic (in most cases his fastest creature is Master Genie with speed 11, your is Thunderbird also with 11, if u attack then u cast spell first which means that your hasted army will just devastate everything on its way and will negate his advantage which are 3 shooters.) IMHO this is hopeless for Tower if map is not VERY rich.
Anyway, I guess most of towns are better than Tower except maybe Dungeon.
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LionoftheNorth
Disgraceful
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 13, 2011 01:13 AM |
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On the contrary to a lot of the folks here, I don't consider Conflux unbalanced or overpowered. Neither Necropolis either, if you are one us SP-only players who haven't studied how to get the most out of necromancy for years playing multiplayer tournaments. You will notice that even though the Magic University can grant you all of the magic-skills, it's for a quite expensive fee, and powerful magic is rarely as important as strong attack and defensive values in battle. I would personally recommend flux since it's sprites and phoenixes can quickly neutralize the archamges and the titans while outmatching the enemy in ranged strength. But then it's my favourite town, and I have only played Heroes 3 spontaneously for years, so I might not be your most skilled or unbiased opinion.
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ShizueKaryan
Adventuring Hero
Outcast Fire Witch
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posted July 13, 2011 05:07 AM |
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I think each town has its own strength to fight with tower.
Castle: high morale, good marksman. In rich map you can build archangel-the best 7th creature in the game. And, Adela is one of the best hero, with bless spec. and diplomacy.
Rampart: I like this town! Although it has some slowly creatures, heroes are good (Kyrre, Mephala, Ivor....).
Stronghold: if enemy has Neela, take Crag Hack to fight with her!
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted July 13, 2011 09:59 AM |
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i used to play SOD
What version will you play now? Its important.
Also important is to tell what will be the rules. Depending on the rules there are different options.
Is necromancy allowed? Is diplomacy allowed? Other rules...
About the map - you said Large. So - it means L, or you mean "large" in general and you will play XL? Will there be underground? What template it will be.
Specify the exact settings and you may get detailed answer.
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eurasianbadger
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 13, 2011 10:38 AM |
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On the contrary to a lot of the folks here, I don't consider Conflux unbalanced or overpowered. Neither Necropolis either, if you are one us SP-only players who haven't studied how to get the most out of necromancy for years playing multiplayer tournaments.
No, it's not just experience. Campaigns desensitize players because they are not played on a level field. Also, the AI is simply not bright enough to utilize some more advanced tools to their basic potential, not even maximum potential. In some ways, playing a strategy game in single player is like having a toy car where many buttons don't do anything. In Single Players some spells and abilities are only effectively used by the player.
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desmond7
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posted July 13, 2011 12:33 PM |
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Quote:
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i used to play SOD
What version will you play now? Its important.
Also important is to tell what will be the rules. Depending on the rules there are different options.
Is necromancy allowed? Is diplomacy allowed? Other rules...
About the map - you said Large. So - it means L, or you mean "large" in general and you will play XL? Will there be underground? What template it will be.
Specify the exact settings and you may get detailed answer.
Good notice here. So i will try to answer. We will play WOG. And our rules is very simple: use everything you want to win the game. ( but we made some exceptions. No use of necro combined artifact witch gives liches every fight , and peace for 3weeks.) Diplomacy, dd, fly, TP and so on allowed. Map is not determened yet, so it could be either large or x-large. Dungeon - depend on selected map, coz we will choose randomly from 4 selected maps. Two of my offering to from his.
There will be two AI players at difficulty 130%. The towns for AI will be selected to be NOT a tower and NOT a town of my choice.
We are lets say old times players, becouse we played heroes 3 about 5-6 years ago for almost 3 years, sometimes it was even day by day hotseat. NOW, we will use two laptops (i think everyone will know why not the hotseat).
I dont know what to say else, if i have missed something, please ask.
Thanks for opinion. For all of you.
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SAG
Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
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posted July 13, 2011 01:11 PM |
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We will play WOG. and peace for 3weeks
well...in WOG there are ~50 settings, many of them are disbalancing for multiplayer. WOG is not stable in multiplayer-mode.
You have 2 options:
1) you will learn some strategy for WOG and will always follow it. For example you will always play with Necro. Is it interesting that you will play with 1 town out of 9? You will find that if you put random towns then game outcome will be clear at the stage of game start (e.g. you get Tower and he will get Necro, which will mean that you will lose game in 95% of games)
2) switch to homm3 SOD/Complete or WT, don't invent your own rules but play with common rules; study information about random map templates; look and learn from saves of best players. In this case you will get much more interesting games.
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted July 13, 2011 01:16 PM |
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There is subforum for WOG. Here its SOD.
I dont think you will get the best answers for WOG here.
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desmond7
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 13, 2011 01:52 PM |
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We will play WOG. and peace for 3weeks
well...in WOG there are ~50 settings, many of them are disbalancing for multiplayer. WOG is not stable in multiplayer-mode.
You have 2 options:
1) you will learn some strategy for WOG and will always follow it. For example you will always play with Necro. Is it interesting that you will play with 1 town out of 9? You will find that if you put random towns then game outcome will be clear at the stage of game start (e.g. you get Tower and he will get Necro, which will mean that you will lose game in 95% of games)
2) switch to homm3 SOD/Complete or WT, don't invent your own rules but play with common rules; study information about random map templates; look and learn from saves of best players. In this case you will get much more interesting games.
Ok, i understand, so lets discuss about SOD. Game is not hosted yet, and it will take next week, so we can always change some rules.
So the game will be set on SOD. everything else is the same. Read top.
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted July 13, 2011 02:16 PM |
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If you play SOD and there is not other rules than no cloak of necro and peace 3 weeks...
Get Galthran + Necro, or Adela + Castle and collect skeletons or use diplomacy. This should decide the game. And make it boring just as well
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desmond7
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 13, 2011 02:42 PM |
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Yes the first game will be with very few rules as i mentioned, coz we want to play and remember all good times spent with h3. The next one can very different, but we`ll see after this match. Although we are thinking about making a lan party including 5-6 players, so, i will bring some news about it later and maybe at next topic.
Now, about necro and castle. you say it should be boring game. why, any arguments?
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted July 13, 2011 03:06 PM |
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Boring game it will be not because of the town, but because of the Diplomacy. I said - you start with Adela.
Surely, he may start with Cyra, so it will be Diplo war. But the effect of Diplomacy as a whole will overshadow everything else.
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desmond7
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 13, 2011 03:27 PM |
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Sure thing. Diplo will overshadow everything else.But i dont think he will select it... he likes to use more magic over might most of the games. So surely the hero will be one of the wizard.
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thecastrated
Famous Hero
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posted July 16, 2011 01:31 PM |
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Dungeon. They are fast and can cancel off towers shooting abilities by reaching them.
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Thunder_Titus
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
Inventor
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posted August 30, 2012 02:44 AM |
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Dungeon is towers arch nemesis
Plus dungeon pwns twer (read about it( plus I'm very smart))
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c0ldshadow
Known Hero
ig chr0meice91
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posted August 30, 2012 01:11 PM |
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I prefer dungeon or inferno vs tower due to better overall speed
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iliecostin
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posted September 03, 2012 09:22 PM |
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Sure thing. Diplo will overshadow everything else.But i dont think he will select it... he likes to use more magic over might most of the games. So surely the hero will be one of the wizard.
Cyra is a wizard. I'd go with stronghold too btw.
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