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posted July 28, 2011 09:48 PM |
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They planned on it but it was deemed overkill. Then they just had some exercises and that was that. They still have to order an APC from the army if they want one.
"Deemed overkill"
Wait what? If there is a shooter going around the police special units will be like "Well get there after the coffee break, don't want to be too unfair against the lone fellow"?
Jeez, it's not like they are trying to kill a slug with a nuke 
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posted July 28, 2011 09:49 PM |
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Remember that just two hours before there had been the explosion in Oslo. I imagine that most the police and special units were on they're way there.
Also, apparently, when the shootings at Utoya begun, people who had called the police were initially told not to phone unless it was about the Oslo bombing.
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posted July 28, 2011 09:50 PM |
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That's weird. One hour between first call and police intervention, now just imagine it was some kamikaze commando, they had time to slaughter a whole city.
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posted July 28, 2011 10:05 PM |
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There's one special team. The idea was to have them on standby with helicopter active 24/7. Don't you think that's a bit, overkill? 
The reason for it was that their transportation to the mission area is only changed by a few minutes with the standby and since the copter has to fly from base to the police anyways they'll only be saving 3-4 minutes from longer distances. It's simply not cost effective.
It wasn't a city salamandre, it was a small island in the countryside. Want city response time, check the oslo bombing.
And yes, bombers will always get to fire up before the police can do anything, this holds true anywhere in the world. Just walk into your chosen place and BAM! Doesn't give much response time now does it. ^^
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posted July 28, 2011 10:14 PM |
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It does if the suicide bomber has SEVERAL explosive-packed vests he can strap on to his chest.
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posted July 28, 2011 11:17 PM |
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Remember that just two hours before there had been the explosion in Oslo. I imagine that most the police and special units were on they're way there.
Also, apparently, when the shootings at Utoya begun, people who had called the police were initially told not to phone unless it was about the Oslo bombing.
Yes, that was probably the shooter's strategy. Set off the bomb, have all the cops swarm to one location while he goes 20 miles away and shoots kids like sitting ducks.
If the police arrived in 20 minutes that is about as fast as they could have gotten there based on the distance from the city. I assume they did not go in immediately because they were not certain how many shooters were present and they needed to wait for SWAT. But that call will certainly be questioned based on their knowledge that a lot of kids were in there getting killed.
While officer safety has to be a primary consideration the officers I've worked with in the past would have said "**** it, we're going in." That is not to cast any dispersion on the police who were there as they are the ones who were on the scene and were in the best position to evaluate the situation based on the information they knew at the time.
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posted July 29, 2011 01:53 AM |
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There's one special team. The idea was to have them on standby with helicopter active 24/7. Don't you think that's a bit, overkill?
The reason for it was that their transportation to the mission area is only changed by a few minutes with the standby and since the copter has to fly from base to the police anyways they'll only be saving 3-4 minutes from longer distances. It's simply not cost effective.
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Why did the island have no policemen ? Having a dozen kidds alone on an island is stupid as hell.Where were the policemen?
Also,choppers fly at 250 km/h.
how far was the island from oslo away? 30km?
It does not differ with few mintues but maybe one hour.
Also,even if they arrrived few mintues before,they could have aved somebody.
Amaizingly,a news chopper was earlier than the police there.
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posted July 29, 2011 01:59 AM |
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Again, you guys seem to forget the fact that this is Norway we're talking about. You do not know anything about this country so little knowledge is understandable. We do not have SWAT. Stuff like this hasn't happened before and therefor we don't consider the possibility that it might. It was a tiny island without people actually living on it .. I figure it was mostly an island people went to have stuff like in this case a political camp.
I figure police here doesn't have access to as many helicopters as those in USA and other places, but I also figure they should have managed to get there sooner. The police officers already at the scene had to wait for a boat to get to the island as they had no transport.
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posted July 29, 2011 05:49 AM |
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Well, in my opinion not having special police operatives is a major epic fail. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Maybe after this tragedy the goverment would reconsider about it.
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posted July 29, 2011 07:39 AM |
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Why did the island have no policemen ?
Because it is a deserted island that some turists tend to camp on.
And there is festivals there.
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Having a dozen kidds alone on an island is stupid as hell.Where were the policemen?
You had security guards.
And normal police would have reached the place in 10-20 minuttes anyhow.
"Normal crime" in norway is nothing but a bit "oh look, something to steal"..... so yeah.
Besides, there are no "natives" living there permanently anyhow.
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Also,choppers fly at 250 km/h.
That does not help if you need 20-30min to get it started in the first place.
They would first need to requisition it from the army, and then get it checked up, and then get it started, and then get it loaded.
As said: There was no permanent standby on the helicopter.
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how far was the island from oslo away? 30km?
It does not differ with few mintues but maybe one hour.
Also,even if they arrrived few mintues before,they could have aved somebody.
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massakren_på_Utøya
This page contains a map. I actually thought Utøya was a bit bigger.
The police station Delta started out from is a bit more to the north than what the map shows.
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Amaizingly,a news chopper was earlier than the police there.
And?
The news chopper was not armored.
They only had cameras with zoom.
The pilot and the crew was in danger.
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posted August 02, 2011 06:42 PM |
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Apparently WoW and Modern Warfare 2 are being taken off the shelves in Norway cuz the murderer enjoyed those games and used them as "preparation"...
Why don't they ban Eurovision while they're at it? He liked that too ^^
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posted August 02, 2011 06:44 PM |
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posted August 02, 2011 06:56 PM |
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posted August 02, 2011 07:12 PM |
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Stupid... games are shown to make people less violent. That psycho even used them to wind down and avoid suspicion. Next they will pull Dexter from TV.
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posted August 02, 2011 07:47 PM |
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Video games make people less violent probably because it glues them to the computer  In the 60s, 70s, and 80s, it was so much easier to get bored and find stupid ways to entertain yourself.
Trying to come to firm conclusions over something this broad is somewhat futile. Any kind of studies done on this sort of thing, however well done, are ultimately going to be somewhat inconclusive because you can't solidly attribute individual causes of violence. It's not at all quantitative, not to mention that each individual can react so differently to the same experience. I have no doubt in my mind that video games can have a negative effect on people; the relevant question to ask is if it has a significant negative effect on people, and if those negative effects are enough to counterbalance (and then some) any positive effects that they may have.
Needless to say, banning certain video games - games which aren't even that gory - is the wrong approach and indicative of a poorly-thought, kneejerk reaction.
Kneejerk reactions are not your friend. They're the common cause of bad legislation.
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posted August 04, 2011 03:16 AM |
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It is ridiculous that pretty much every single thing that he has said something postive about, suddenly becomes something diabloical and evil.
Anders liked World of Warcraft? BURN THE GAME!!!
Anders liked that anti-immigration party in Sweden? BURN THEM!!!
Anders liked X film? I REGRET MAKING THAT FILM NOW, I WILL BURN ALL COPIES OF IT!
Anders liked watching Dexter? OH GOD THROW IT INTO THE FIRES OF MOUNT DOOOOOOOOOOOM!
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posted August 04, 2011 05:40 AM |
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posted August 04, 2011 06:18 AM |
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It would be interesting to see what TV shows and movies Brevik will be allowed to watch on his big screen TV in the plush resort prison he is going to be residing in. Will he be allowed to watch shows with violence? Play violent video games?
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posted August 04, 2011 06:34 AM |
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Al Jazeera, every day, every hour and minute. I am sure he will particularly appreciate.
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posted August 04, 2011 08:52 AM |
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Will he be allowed to watch shows with violence?
Those shows are only present in the USA and Japan..
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