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posted July 25, 2011 10:21 AM |
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Nothing wrong with definitively relieving some of the poeple of their right to breath the same air as we do, matter of fact that cause of action would probably make others think twice before acting according to their vicious nature...
Because in USA states where the death penalty is allowed there is less violence, can you confirm?
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posted July 25, 2011 12:07 PM |
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Nothing wrong with definitively relieving some of the poeple of their right to breath the same air as we do, matter of fact that cause of action would probably make others think twice before acting according to their vicious nature...
Because in USA states where the death penalty is allowed there is less violence, can you confirm?
Because in some asian countries where there is a death penalty for drug trafficking, drug trafficking has declined drastically...
Confirmed ??
BTW in the states its not as strict as it should be, one can spend 20 years on death row before meeting the "zip chair"
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posted July 25, 2011 03:40 PM |
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Great. He just had to mention Dexter.
If that is what it takes to finally shut Deb up, then so be it.
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If anything, I hope Norway's government reviews their penal system and considers imposing harsher sanctions. 21 years for mass murder is a joke. Comes down to about 82 days in prison per killing.
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posted July 25, 2011 03:42 PM |
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Great. He just had to mention Dexter.
If that is what it takes to finally shut Deb up, then so be it.
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If anything, I hope Norway's government reviews their penal system and considers imposing harsher sanctions. 21 years for mass murder is a joke. Comes down to about 82 days in prison per killing.
Im pretty sure 21 years is max amount in one sentence.
after the first 21 he would go back to court and get sentenced for another 21.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted July 25, 2011 03:46 PM |
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As I understand, the max amount of time is 21 years all together, and then +5 years each time a review concludes a person is a dangerous individual.
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posted July 25, 2011 04:03 PM |
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As I understand, the max amount of time is 21 years all together, and then +5 years each time a review concludes a person is a dangerous individual.
Well considering what he did I would say he stays locked up for life 
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posted July 25, 2011 09:13 PM |
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It looks like the maximum jail time in Norway is 21 years. He will be out at age of 50?
He will.
However: He will never be alone anymore. He will most likely be permanently electronically marked, everything he do will be surveilanced, and he will always be escorted.
I don't quite remember the word, but its something like "Failsafe", and a failsafe will be imposed on him, so he will never get a chance to do anything anymore.
He will be permanently out of society.
It will be like lifetime prison in other countries, except he won't turn out to a weird husk of his former self(insane prison culture).
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As I understand, the max amount of time is 21 years all together, and then +5 years each time a review concludes a person is a dangerous individual.
Here is the thing: The 5 years review is only for people who "may" be dangerous. That means that what is looked at are if they are rehabilitated or not.
This guy? There will be no reviews, he will be stuck under permanent surveilance until he dies of either cancer or brittle bones.
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posted July 26, 2011 01:58 AM |
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@def diablo
and this is the punishment for killing 90 people? "Facepalm"
What that guy needs is not death,he should be used as a guinea pig.It might sound harsh,but special people should get special treatment...
Though,byung an assualt rifle seems more reasonable day by day.
I wonder when rocket launchers will be legal.
This summs it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08
One should be afraid to get out of the house.Even in our house we are unsafe...
Kind of amaizing how nationalism kills...
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del_diablo
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posted July 26, 2011 02:06 AM |
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Seraphim: Condemning the nordic prison system morals are we?
Beyond that?:
Turning him into a guinea pig for science actually sounds like something that would be useful/"a good idea", and it would not invoke the entire "HE DIED AS A MARTYR" aspect.
It has my vote, but then again: Some jury following Norwegian court law will judge him, so I doubt my vote counts.
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posted July 26, 2011 02:10 AM |
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As long as there's a 0.0000000000001% that he didn't do it I'm against all forms of murder or torture of criminals.
Which means I'm against it in all situations really.
As long as means are taken to ensure that he doesn't hurt anyone again, everything is alright. His suffering will not bring the victims back.
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Salamandre
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posted July 26, 2011 03:40 AM |
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posted July 26, 2011 04:01 AM |
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As long as there's a 0.0000000000001% that he didn't do it I'm against all forms of murder or torture of criminals.
Which means I'm against it in all situations really.
As long as means are taken to ensure that he doesn't hurt anyone again, everything is alright. His suffering will not bring the victims back.
People have identified him,police have checked and proven that he is guilty,how the hell can you say there is a 0.000001% possibility that he is innocent?
OK,please explain than why modern society chooses to punish criminals if any of those punishments does not bring the victims back?
Whe punish them,its only plain retribution...
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posted July 26, 2011 08:57 AM |
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What that guy needs is not death,he should be used as a guinea pig.It might sound harsh,but special people should get special treatment...
Falling back into the middle ages, do we?
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posted July 26, 2011 09:18 AM |
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Revenge is a dish best served spiky.
EDIT: I'm all about retribution AS WELL AS redemption. I think it was JJ who said that the penal system needs to change in order for redemption and rehabilitation to work effectively, and I agree with him. The worst thing that could happen to that guy isn't some grim and torturous punishment, the worst thing for him would be becoming a pro-immigration leftist/socialist who works as a volunteer in a refugee shelter. If you could reprogram someone like that to become a good person, you've released a ray of sunshine in the typhoon of BS that was Anders' life. As someone said earlier, no amount of torture will bring those young people back. Let the punishment fit the crime and force him to do some good for the cause he was trying to harm.
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alcibiades
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posted July 26, 2011 09:47 AM |
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He's guilty, that's not even the question. Even if he didn't admit it (which he did) there was no doubt.
Should he be put to death? Well there is no death penalty in Norway (as in Denmark), and I'm happy with that. I don't like putting people to death, no matter how outrages their crime is (and this guy is up there with the very worst).
I don't know Norwegian legal system, but in Denmark, longest time you can be sentenced to prison is 16 years. Now one may think this is long or short time (I guess by most contry's standard it would seem short), but point is if you're sentenced to prison, you are deamed to be right of mind, and hence you can improve your nature. That's the person of prison: To teach you a lesson, to make you a better person. Now whether it works is highly arguable (I think very few people have ever become better persons from being in prison, but that's another debate).
Alternately, if you're deamed out of your mind, meaning that we don't believe you'll ever live normally and not commit another crime, you can be sentenced to life long custody, which is really life long. This means you don't go to prison, but that you'll be kept in detention and under surveilance for the rest of your life and will never have your freedom. Since this man clearly displays psycopathic behaviour, I'm pretty sure that would have happened if he had been sentenced by Danish law. And personally, I would agree with that.
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posted July 26, 2011 10:31 AM |
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People have identified him,police have checked and proven that he is guilty,how the hell can you say there is a 0.000001% possibility that he is innocent?
I'm sure you could imagine some insanely obscure alien mind-control that caused everyone in the world to believe it was him.
Like I said, 0.000000000001% chance. But as long as humans cannot understand an absolute truth, we shouldn't torture or kill people. They may just be innocent, or their crime might not be as severe as we think.
See there Mvass? I changed mah philisophy. I no longer believe that absolute truths do not exist, I rather think that humans are ultimately incapable of grasping them and coming to a conclusion that something is 100% true 
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Whe punish them,its only plain retribution...
I disagree, it's about how you view the consequences we make the criminals go through.
I believe that prisons should not serve as a punishment, but rather as rehabilitation, of course combined with restrictions (such as being locked in high security) to keep the criminals from hurting others.
Some people are sick, or well, pretty much anyone who outright murders someone suffers from some kinda disorder. Is it ultimately their fault?
I believe that what this Anders-dude did was as horrible as anyone else, however I also think it's pretty obvious that the guy is SICK, like, totally fricking out of his mind. Torturing him or executing him would be like shooting an animal... they simply don't know better.
But if we can rehabilitate them, and perhaps make them do some good to this world (I dunno... making furniture in prison workshops perhaps?) then all the better than just letting them rot in isolation, soaking up tax-money.
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posted July 26, 2011 11:22 AM |
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If this one gets released after 10/20/30/X years, he'll most likely be killed on the street by some of the victims' relatives/friends or just someone who hates the idea of having a mass murderer around. I don't really get why he should be sustained for so long.
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posted July 26, 2011 11:57 AM |
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People underestimate the power of solitary confinement. IF that was solitary, that is, and not with luxurious TV set, gym, playstation and all those things too keep the poor criminals entertained.
It's a penalty all right, and imho way more severe than death penalty.
Think of it: 20-30 years of the same small cell every day. That's not enough of a punishment for you?
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Zenofex
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posted July 26, 2011 12:26 PM |
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The thing is that there is no reason to keep him alive. He's a proven great criminal and he's a burden. I know that Norway is rich but here I wouldn't give a single penny to the state to feed and "accommodate" him for even one day after the trial. What's the point? On the other hand, I don't mind paying for the bullet.
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Smithey
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posted July 26, 2011 12:28 PM |
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Thought about it, 5 seconds later, Nope, not good enough....
Solitary makes you loose your mind and turn insane, insane people have no concept of time, of suffering etc... I dont want him to turn insane, I dont want people to feel sorry for him or view him as a victim, I dont want him breathing, I dont want the realtives of his victims to pay taxes which will provide for his care, I dont want him to leave this world "mentally" I want him to leave this world physically... death switch, pull the plug, the end.... 
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