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posted July 26, 2011 12:28 PM |
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Because by taking life, you'd be as bad as him.
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Smithey
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posted July 26, 2011 12:33 PM |
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Interesting moral ground doomf... Wonder whether you live by it or not... If I were to slap you and laugh would you smile back or slap me back ?
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posted July 26, 2011 12:35 PM |
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I'd punch you in the face, gladly.
Life however is not something we gave and we shouldn't take it, too.
This is not some Christian babbling, I just think taking life is a big no-no because that's exactly what defines monsters: they take life without hesitation.
Let them rot in solitary confinement. It's a big penalty and perhaps it will be enough time for them to realize how much of a garbage their ideology is.
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posted July 26, 2011 12:40 PM |
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Because by taking life, you'd be as bad as him.
I guess this has been discussed a thousand times already but taking certain people's lives actually helps. I don't mind being called a monster if I shoot Hitler for example. And then it comes the relativity of all this - for example I can argue that leaving the killer of nearly 100 people alive and even paying for keeping him alive with the money of the people who were close to the murdered ones is monstrous and short-sighted. That's not my point anyway - the point is that there is no reason on a purely practical level to let him live. Killing him solves all existing and potential problems. Keeping him alive for the sake of some vague morals is just unreasonable.
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Smithey
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posted July 26, 2011 12:41 PM |
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If you would punch me back, its hypocritical to claim something along the lines of "you would be just as bad as him"
If you are nice, I will be the nicest person you have ever met, if you are an ass I will be a way bigger ass...
If you show zero respect for other people's lives and hurt so many, I have zero respect for your life hence with no hesitation... death switch, one monster less, to quote certain somebody "nothing of value is lost"
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posted July 26, 2011 12:46 PM |
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If you would punch me back, its hypocritical to claim something along the lines of "you would be just as bad as him"
No, it's not hypocrisy. I hate hypocrisy. Life is sacred to me however, and attacker's face is not 
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If you are nice, I will be the nicest person you have ever met, if you are an ass I will be a way bigger ass...
If you show zero respect for other people's lives and hurt so many, I have zero respect for your life hence with no hesitation... death switch, one monster less, to quote certain somebody "nothing of value is lost"
And who gave you the right to judge people and take vengeance?
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posted July 26, 2011 12:50 PM |
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Ehh... what was that Ghandi said again...? An eye for an eye and eventually the whole world will be blind...
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posted July 26, 2011 12:58 PM |
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No, it's not hypocrisy. I hate hypocrisy. Life is sacred to me however, and attacker's face is not
In that same manner I claimed life is sacred and his life stopped being sacred when he chose to take other people's lives... Or in your words, and killers life is not 
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The one who gave me the right is known to you as Smithey, ask yourself who gave you the right to judge people and take vengeance by punching back
@ Adrius, or maybe people, when knowing they might face blindness would choose not to take your eye... leaving all of us with a nice pair
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posted July 26, 2011 01:03 PM |
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Exactly. To each of his own. What's sacred for one isn't sacred for another. Hence death penalty is a no-no for me, and is okay for you. And that's fine.
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Smithey
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posted July 26, 2011 01:05 PM |
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Never claimed otherwise hence I agree with you a 100% 
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posted July 26, 2011 03:01 PM |
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Because by taking life, you'd be as bad as him.
Not at all. I'd be taking the life of a murderer and he took the lives of innocent people. He broke the non-aggression principle and I'd be enforcing it. Completely different.
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posted July 26, 2011 03:31 PM |
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Sarcasm: Just sell him to some company for medical experiments, so the companies can proudly claim "not tested on animals"  /Sarcasm
Seriously though, he should be in solitary confinement for his entire sentance. He is the #2 worst person to happen to the country after Hitler... that says a lot. Killing him would only make him a martyr and inspire more idiots to die for their cause.
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posted July 26, 2011 03:57 PM |
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OK, enough about him personally. The more important question is what created him? Norway has the image of a country with less flaws than other European societies and certainly high enough standard of living to reduce the number of any such "hate ideologies" to the very minimum (relatively of course). What happened? It will be good if the people in forum from Norway share their point of view as it seems rather... weird from the outside.
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posted July 26, 2011 04:00 PM |
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Using involuntary people for medical experiments falls in line with the same danger of capital punishment. You can't reverse an erroneous judgment after the person has already been chopped open or has had who knows what else done to them. Plus, is that really an avenue you want to risk opening up to any entity? To grant them the power to perform experiments on involuntary people? I want that door to stay closed to stave away any misuse.
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posted July 26, 2011 04:11 PM |
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Oh, I didn't realize the wink and the next line starting with "Seriously though" was enough...
I'll add sarcasm tags. Thanks for the reminder Blizz.
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posted July 26, 2011 04:22 PM |
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You weren't the only person to mention that.
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posted July 26, 2011 04:33 PM |
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What that guy needs is not death,he should be used as a guinea pig.It might sound harsh,but special people should get special treatment...
Falling back into the middle ages, do we?
Since when did people in the middle ages do experiments?
As I said,why punish them? Its plain retribution.
Put him in a lone island and make sure he never gets out of it...
The best thing to do imo, is to kill him.Why?
When he is dead,people will not care about him anymore.he will be forgotten and so on. He being alive will never relinquish the hate that he has brought to the people.
it is not worth feeding him,ginving him shelter.
Killing people,shopuld be punished with killing the killer.Its the best course of action.
Just give im a cheap bullet in the head and its done.
Is this humane? WTF? Was what he did humane?
This world is jerked,really.
Martyrs? Dude,this issues are very serious.If some nationalist dude collaborated with nazi cells or something,something is amiss in europe.
Since when does a guy like him become a martyr?Inpiring neo-nazis?
That is irrelevant.We already have hitler as the best inspiration for em.
Further investigation should be done,harsher rules against people such as him and so on...
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posted July 26, 2011 06:16 PM |
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OK, enough about him personally. The more important question is what created him? Norway has the image of a country with less flaws than other European societies and certainly high enough standard of living to reduce the number of any such "hate ideologies" to the very minimum (relatively of course). What happened? It will be good if the people in forum from Norway share their point of view as it seems rather... weird from the outside.
1. Immigration back in the 70s was done the good way: everyone who managed to get a citizenship also managed to have their kids to properly intigrate into society
2. However, some time later, that stopped happening. A part of the city called Grønland, and a valley called Groruddalen: Those are places where there currently is a majority of immigrants. And the assimilation has stopped. The fact most of these immigrants are muslims is just a coincidence, nobody really cares about that.
What we do care about is that their culture none Norwegian, and there is several annoying quirks about it.
And then there is another problem: We accept people from warzones, who has fought, and is mentally ruined. We also accept Africans with a "rape culture".
While only 0.1-0.2 percent of them actually has a problem, and only some of them succumbs to the problem, it is still entire unacceptable! We never had a lot of that bullsnow back in the 70s, because we only allowed people who wanted to work and then wanted to stay here.
That alone would not be worth any attention, if it was not for the sake that the media attempts to play it down, and attempting to want getting something done about it will result in you more or less losing all your political influence(if you where reasonable or not is irrelevant).
To add salt to the injury:
1. Some of the imams are quite conservative, and has immigrated from Iran, and they keep saying silly hatmongering things.
2. In Oslo there is minor gangwars, and open decay on the streets. We blame it mostly on the immigrants, and the actual blame may or may not be true depending on the case.
3. And then we the hatemongers actually has a valid base of recruitment: The so called westside of Oslo is the "rich part" of Oslo, and there is a general "rightside" rethoric over there, and a small disconnection from reality, due their living conditions.
4. And there is a general corruption in the Norwegian labour party, and general corruption over roughly all "Anti-racism" coalitions and factions. And because of that the rethoric of the the right side becomes reasonable.
5. Did we mention that the general discrimination of women is also a thing some of the immigrants do(10-30%??) It is a large rage issue for us Scandinavians.
And do you know what the worst part of this massacre will be? The aftermath: Most likely will all problems related to immigration will be buried under a large bag, the antiracism parties will become more corrupt, and a lot more problems.
AUF(a sort of anti racism coalition) will become ever harder to question, and they will become more corrupt than today.
On the other hand, the aftermath of what Anders has written is that there will be more rightwing nutcases, who also will lack a root of reality, and that will discredit the "lets be reasonable and actually solve the problems" will not get any more poltical power.
I guess Anders hope was that his declarations and manifest will grow enough in popularity to inspire something like Hitlers Mein Kamp did, or at the least we think it did.
What he will end up doing is to inspire a cult of "weak racism", hopefully they will stop at "the non assimilated must be purged", and a large bunch of mislead nutcases.
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Seraphim, killing him would make him a martyr, if historie goes on the same was as it is doing now.
You do not want to give any fuel to the ekstremists, if people start taking his manifest and diary seriously.
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posted July 27, 2011 08:29 AM |
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It's about time this matter of Islam encroaching on our society is aired. I do not for one second condone what he did but I do understand the reasoning behind it. Kevin Spacey said it best in the film Seven. The only time you'll get someones undivided attention is when you smash them in the face with a hammer.
Europe is being slowly over run by Islam. They refuse to integrate and they refuse to abide by our laws.
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posted July 27, 2011 08:55 AM |
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I would just like to highlight the fact that Salamandre was touting the words of a vicious psychopath as wisdom. Seriously man, don't you see the irony? Especially considering the tragedy that has just happened?
Scandinavia has, until recently, been virtually homogeneous, and you are just coming to terms with issues that other countries have been dealing with for decades, if not centuries. The base argument here seems to be one of cultural relativism vs universalism. Because Norway has been culturally homogeneous for so long, you are extremely ethnocentric in your modes of thinking (that being said, I'm only saying that based on the Scandinavian responses on this forum and others and not on Scandinavian scholarly/expert opinion).
Why don't you look at other societies around the world and see how they are dealing with these issues, at this stage all you seem to be doing is openly hating on Muslims. The vast majority of Islamic people are quite moderate, yes there are bad eggs here and there, but these kinds of crazy preachers who harp on about non-integration exist in ALL RELIGIONS.
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