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Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: How much control should public schools have over student behavior?
Thread: How much control should public schools have over student behavior? This thread is 5 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 · «PREV
artu
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posted February 07, 2013 08:35 PM

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After a 60 years of ideology, when does it matter that words had a meaning once upon a time? "Liberals" are per definition cancer of society, because no sane citizen is a "liberal". People identifying as such should be locked away in a mental asylum, because of what the group is and stands for. Its not a civil rights group for minorities, its not a group that wishes for long term policies, its just a populistic mish mash of media propaganda using a word.
And the same thing applies to the "conservative" side. Its not a real side, its just a media storm over something that was once a word. Are you a "conservative"? Yes? Please apply to the nearest mental institution. They won't help you, its not a part of the list of current defined mental illnesses.



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Zenofex
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posted February 07, 2013 11:01 PM

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It depends in what regard. Almost all of them were in agreement that flexible/"creative" interpretations of a document whose function was to serve as a doorstopper for bad or even tyrannical policy was very dangerous. That's why they designed a system where you would need a strong majority to hold a convention to make constitutional changes. Unfortunately, this didn't fully succeed. The Courts perform linguistic gymnastics to slip around the issue and the small majority is able to get its way. You can tell issues are sidestepped because the 2nd amendment - as irritably vague as it is - yet remains unchanged for almost 250 years. It gives me the notion that a full reset of government might be best in the long-term (short of a thermonuclear holocaust, that's probably not going to happen).
You have to consider the status quo in Europe at that time. Even though the worst of the Medieval ages is more or less forgotten, the progress is still dragging its feet, with too many old-school institutions and obsolete power structures - and that's in Western Europe - the eastern part + Russia are way behind. The French Revolution basically kicks it in the ass (maybe a bit harder than necessary). Roughly at the same time you have a country which bases its government on (comparatively) very liberal/democratic principles. If it wasn't on the other end of the Atlantic, it would've been treated just like France was treated by the conservative powers in Europe and you would've seen many more of these guys:



+ other colours.

Of course times change and stagnation is never a good thing. The static status of any constitution however is never due to the legal system and its agents. If the society wants change, no laws-of-the-day will stop it. So there you go.

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violent_flower
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posted February 08, 2013 11:34 PM

My daughter brought a bottle of vodka to school with a inch in the bottom. She gave half to her friend and she took half, mixed it with coke (which shows you she knows nothing about mixing drinks, lol). It was 3 days before school was going to end. She was straight A's and varsity cross country as well as no prior discipline problems ever in school.

This was 9th grade, she got suspended for an entire year! No democracy just a zero tolerance policy that meant regardless of her impeccable record she got what anyone else would have got.

Zero tolerance in the US means that the rules are the same and since they are government funded they are required to all follow the same no tolerance rules.

I'm also in charge of all the grants in out unit and I have researched this through and through, it's a bunch of ****!  

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xerox
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posted February 08, 2013 11:38 PM

wow that's sick

In my school, when there's a big party, you're not required to go to school the next day. If you do come to school halfway passed out, nobody really cares.

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OhforfSake
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posted February 09, 2013 12:05 AM

Sorry to hear something like that happens.

I think it's partly due to how schools have become more of an institution supposed to just as much raise children as to teach them stuff.

Obviously I can only speak for myself and my own experience, which may not be representative of the general picture. What I've experienced is what is actually taught in public school is on a very low level and advances very slowly. Typically with excuses such as everyone has to be able to keep the pace, and there's not sufficient staff to divide classes in regard to students commitment.

I think a major problem is it's basically the place you drop off your 6 year old as you drop off your 15 year old. The school doesn't differentiate a lot, and believe it's there to raise both of them in your absence, only to some degree of course.

What would be nice is if there was more cooperation between teachers and parents, so children wouldn't live in two different worlds during their day, school and home. At least in my experience those worlds had nothing to do with each other. However I tend to find that teachers don't like to involve parents and many parents may look down on a teacher who tries to involve them more than the absolute minimum.

Take high school for example. At least where I'm from, where it's more like uni,  there's no such ideas as the students are there to be raised. All focus is on the class material. Obviously you can still be expelled, but not by going against some arbitrary school policy, and in by far most parts because you don't live up to the requirements of the school in regard to handing in assignments.

Btw. if something like that had happened here, it'd be a simple matter of taking ones child out of class for the last year, sign up for home schooling, and then ones child would be allowed to take part in the exam no matter what any school's opinion was.
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Elodin
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posted February 21, 2013 07:27 PM
Edited by Elodin at 19:28, 21 Feb 2013.

Ah, tyrannical intolerant liberalism at its finest. Kids in Massachusetts will now be kicked out of school or suspended if they object to having to go the to bathroom with someone of the opposite gender who claims to be the gender the bathroom is for.  The little girl who complains about the boy being in the bathroom with her will be the one punished for she is a bigot according to libs. A rather moronic policy, once again dreamed up and imposed by unelected bureaucrats pushing their extreme agenda on everyone else.

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Parents across Massachusetts are upset over new rules that would not only allow transgender students to use their restrooms of their choice – but would also punish students who refuse to affirm or support their transgender classmates.

Last week the Massachusetts Department of Education issued directives for handling transgender students – including allowing them to use the bathrooms of their choice or to play on sports teams that correspond to the gender with which they identify.

The 11-page directive also urged schools to eliminate gender-based clothing and gender-based activities – like having boys and girls line up separately to leave the classroom.

Schools will now be required to accept a student’s gender identity on face value.

“A student who says she is a girl and wishes to be regarded that way throughout the school day and throughout every, or almost every, other area of her life, should be respected and treated like a girl,” the guidelines stipulate.

According to the Dept. of Education, transgender students are those whose assigned birth sex does not match their “internalized sense of their gender.”

They said gender nonconforming students “range in the ways in which they identify as male, female, some combination of both, or neither.”

“The responsibility for determining a student’s gender identity rests with the student,” the guidelines dictate. “One’s gender identity is an innate, largely inflexible characteristic of each individual’s personality that is generally established by age four…As a result, the person best situated to determine a student’s gender identity is that student himself or herself.”

The new rules would also prevent teachers and administrators from telling parents with which gender their child identifies.

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Another part of the directive that troubles parents deals with students who might feel comfortable having someone of the opposite sex in their locker room or bathroom.

The state takes those students to task – noting their discomfort “is not a reason to deny access to the transgender student.”

And any student who refuses to refer to a transgendered student by the name or sex they identify with could face punishment.

For example – a fifth grade girl might feel uncomfortable using the restroom if there is an eighth grade transgendered boy in the next stall.

Under the state guidelines, the girl would have no recourse, Beckwith said.

“And if the girl continued to complain she could be subjected to discipline for not affirming that student’s gender identity choice,” he told Fox News.

“It should not be tolerated and can be grounds for student discipline,” the directive states.


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xerox
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posted February 21, 2013 09:42 PM

Punishment is usually not an effective conditioning to remove unwanted behaviour.

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Elodin
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posted March 02, 2013 06:46 PM
Edited by Elodin at 18:49, 02 Mar 2013.

More liberal shenanigans.  What is a kid going to do with a pastry?

Oh, and only one comment about requiring little girls to go to the bathroom with little boys?  

7year old boy suspended for shaping pastry into gun

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A 7-year-old Maryland boy was suspended from school for two days for shaping a breakfast pastry into what his teacher thought looked like a gun, according to his father.

FoxBaltimore.com reports that Josh Welch, a second-grader at Park Elementary School in Baltimore, was eating a strawberry tart when he decided to shape it into a mountain.

"All I was trying to do was turn it into a mountain but, it didn't look like a mountain really and it turned out to be a gun [kind of]," Josh told the station.

Josh, who suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, said his teacher was visibly mad when she saw that the pastry looked like a gun, according to the report.

The boy's dad, who was not identified in the report, was later notified that Josh had been suspended for two days for fashioning the pastry into a gun.

A letter was sent home with students explaining that "a student used food to make an inappropriate gesture," the station reported.

School officials declined to a request for comment from FoxBaltimore.com due to privacy issues.


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Salamandre
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posted March 02, 2013 07:18 PM

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Oh, and only one comment about requiring little girls to go to the bathroom with little boys?  



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