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Elodin
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posted January 21, 2012 09:09 PM |
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"I bought it in order to keep HoMM series alive.." is the closest reason as to why I bought it. I was concerned already about the changes I had read but went ahead and bought it. The changes + bugs made the game as bad as I feared it would be, worse, actually (due to CONFLUX bugs and decisions.) I bought it in hopes that eventually patches and balance changes would make it a decent game in the HOMM series.
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feluniozbunio
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posted January 22, 2012 08:12 PM |
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If you find H6 a disappointment then Civ 5 certainly should be With the Crapload of BS going on at the launch of that game if any game should be branded unforgivable it should be the piece of diaria called Civ 5. Civ 4 was awesome tho.
I wanted to play civ5 BADLY, but every time I entered forums there was zilion posts complaining that the multiplayer is not playable at all, so after couple months I gave up on it. Too bad coz I played Civ since part one too  Hope it wont happen to homm.
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Nocturnal
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posted January 22, 2012 08:28 PM |
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Responses:
-I bought it cuz i like Heroes6 !!!
-I bought it in order to keep HoMM series alive..
-I am still not sure..
-I will NOT buy it !!!!
I think this poll has some problems. How does a person say "I bought H6 because I like H6"?  Liking before buying? You pirate!
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alcibiades
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of Gold Dragons
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posted January 22, 2012 09:15 PM |
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If you find H6 a disappointment then Civ 5 certainly should be With the Crapload of BS going on at the launch of that game if any game should be branded unforgivable it should be the piece of diaria called Civ 5. Civ 4 was awesome tho.
I wanted to play civ5 BADLY, but every time I entered forums there was zilion posts complaining that the multiplayer is not playable at all, so after couple months I gave up on it. Too bad coz I played Civ since part one too Hope it wont happen to homm.
Civ 5 was pretty bad at release as well, but by now is an excellent game imo. It's very different from Civ 4, and I understand why some people prefer Civ 4, personally I find playing Civ 5 more enjoyable, even Civ 4 from an overall point of view probably was the better game. I hope more new features to Civ 5 still to be added. Btw. recent patch should have improved multiplayer in Civ 5.
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Naki
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posted January 22, 2012 11:22 PM |
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-I bought it cuz i like Heroes6 !!!
-I bought it in order to keep HoMM series alive..
-I am still not sure..
-I will NOT buy it !!!!
I think this poll has some problems. How does a person say "I bought H6 because I like H6"? Liking before buying? You pirate!
Demo? Beta?
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Oble
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posted January 26, 2012 09:17 PM |
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I have not bought H6 and I'm currently unsure if I will. It sounds like there are too many negatives for me at this point - the online aspect being a deal breaker for me. 
Maybe after a few expansions and patches Ubi will either fix their server stability issues and/or provide more content for offline play. If so I'll grab a copy lickity-split.
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johnsone79
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posted January 26, 2012 11:20 PM |
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Maybe after a few expansions and patches Ubi will either fix their server stability issues and/or provide more content for offline play. If so I'll grab a copy lickity-split.
The server stability has not been as bad as you think. I have had the game since release and the only time I had a problem with server stability was the later half of winter break and the beginning of the new year. The bigger problem was the lack of communication during the short time that they were having some technical difficulties.
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Oble
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posted January 27, 2012 03:27 PM |
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The server stability has not been as bad as you think. I have had the game since release and the only time I had a problem with server stability was the later half of winter break and the beginning of the new year. The bigger problem was the lack of communication during the short time that they were having some technical difficulties.
That's good to know though I'm still reluctant. While I've read a few posts from folks like you who say the online play problems are exaggerated and/or not as difficult as some think, there are still a lot of complaints in that area, both here and similar sites and on the Ubi forums. If that were the only issue I had I'd likely chalk it up to learning curve, try the game, and put up with the inconvenience, but coupled with some of the other issues I have with the game, I think it would be disappointing at this point.
For instance, one of the key aspects to the HoMM series for me is the resource need component and strategy. I don't play HoMM just to get into massive battles; I actually enjoy some of low creature battles early on or in scenarios where certain resources are limited so factions can't build all their buildings right away. I like a slow faction development curve. It seems this is not so much the case with 6 right now based on a few posts I've read.
I'm in no rush to try this right now. I have other games to occupy my free time. Expansions for Homm have historically fleshed out a number of the versions so I figure waiting won't hurt. Of course if Ubi patches the game and start to see a real jump in the overall opinion and rating of the game before then, I will probably snatch it up.
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Bones_xa
Known Hero
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posted February 06, 2012 03:54 PM |
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Edited by Bones_xa at 15:56, 06 Feb 2012.
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Both Heroes 5 and 6 are crap.
Ever since Ubisoft took over and Jon Van Caneghem was no longer involved in the games they went to s***.
I don't like the gameplay, and the graphics and images are retarded. Once again designers make the mistake of making elaborate graphics and images, but the game sucks. Graphics do not make a game good. I think its actually better to make characters less elaborate so that the user can use their own imagination.
The heroes and creatures look stupid and have stupid names. The creatures don't look like the classical mythological creatures that we have known from centuries of fantasy, legends, and folklore.
The heroes look as stupid as I could possibly imagine, they don't look like warriors, but look more like they should be in a homosexual fashion show.
Thats just how I've always felt about heroes 5 & 6.
I will NOT buy this game, I will never buy it.
I hope Ubisoft does scrap the project. If might and magic and heroes of might and magic games were to continue, they would probably be better if made by fans.
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somi
Known Hero
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posted February 06, 2012 08:21 PM |
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The only problem you said about h5 and h6 was about grafic, and there are much more important problems then grafic.
Generally I really don't know what would i suggest or do. If I buy the game, i buy it because i want to see heroes game still alive, but in the other hand, then i pay them money and support the changes they are making (and i dont like the changes). If i dont, i risk that heroes series dies, and i would not like it also.... so in the end i buyed it.
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papaz
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posted February 06, 2012 09:44 PM |
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Edited by papaz at 21:45, 06 Feb 2012.
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Me and a couple of friends wants to play Homm6 together.
Is it easy to setup multiplayer for a couple of friends or is there a lot of hassle?
And are there any good custom multiplayer maps out there?
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seingeist
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posted February 06, 2012 10:25 PM |
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Both Heroes 5 and 6 are crap.
Ever since Ubisoft took over and Jon Van Caneghem was no longer involved in the games they went to s***.
I don't like the gameplay, and the graphics and images are retarded. Once again designers make the mistake of making elaborate graphics and images, but the game sucks. Graphics do not make a game good. I think its actually better to make characters less elaborate so that the user can use their own imagination.
The heroes and creatures look stupid and have stupid names. The creatures don't look like the classical mythological creatures that we have known from centuries of fantasy, legends, and folklore.
The heroes look as stupid as I could possibly imagine, they don't look like warriors, but look more like they should be in a homosexual fashion show.
Thats just how I've always felt about heroes 5 & 6.
I will NOT buy this game, I will never buy it.
I hope Ubisoft does scrap the project. If might and magic and heroes of might and magic games were to continue, they would probably be better if made by fans.
If such a thoughtful, balanced, well-reasoned post as this doesn't help people make up their minds about buying the game, I don't know what will.  (No eye-roll smiley on this board?)
Speaking generally, I really don't understand all the hand-wringing. If it's such an agonizing decision, then go play HoMM III or V and wait for the community to be singing about what a great game it's become (that might be a while).
My wife bought it for my birthday (post 1.2) and I'm glad she did. It's still Heroes, I'm still enjoying it, in spite of the fact that there's a number of issues that I'd like to see resolved.
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My plan is to wait until the game looks decent enough to play - at which point it will probably be cheaper, too. Right now, I know I'd never play it. And after Skyrim, Civ 5, and Borderlands, I still have all of the new Zelda to play through before I even consider playing games I'm disappointed with. 
Borderlands?! It's 2012! Where the hell have you been? 
(Lilith is best, BTW, with Mordecai coming in second)
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Demonge
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more than meets the eyes
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posted February 07, 2012 02:18 PM |
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My wife bought it for my birthday (post 1.2) and I'm glad she did. It's still Heroes, I'm still enjoying it, in spite of the fact that there's a number of issues that I'd like to see resolved.
The same (except for the wife's gift).
I agree I feel a bit less delight playing H6 than previous ones, but... well... I'm older, my life is completely different from what it was then, I don't have much time to waste on it... So...
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SkySlam
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 09, 2012 04:25 AM |
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What about "I bought Heroes 6 and I regret it"? 
I would have voted this. I strongly suggest NOT to buy the game in the state it's in. Maybe after expansions and price drop you could consider it. I won't buy anything more of H6 anyway; and I kinda liked H5, just to say.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 22, 2012 03:11 PM |
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Pretty good analysis why MMH6 fails here :
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/609370-Heroes-VI-is-a-failure
I bought the game directly when it came out. Irony is, because of all the anti-piracy measures taken by Ubisoft, a cracked version works better.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 22, 2012 04:51 PM |
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OMG expansion pack for Civ 5 is announced. Don't buy Heroes 6. Buy Civ 5. So much better. Can't wait. OMG. I'm on speed. Someone bring me sedatives. OMG ... can't wait.
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Simpelicity
Promising
Famous Hero
Video maker
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posted February 22, 2012 04:54 PM |
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Pretty good analysis why MMH6 fails here :
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/609370-Heroes-VI-is-a-failure
I bought the game directly when it came out. Irony is, because of all the anti-piracy measures taken by Ubisoft, a cracked version works better.
haha that guy is funny. But I don't like his post, as pretty as it looks. For starters, he states facts, and completely fails to explain how they're bad. Apparently they're inherently bad or something, no matter what your taste may be. But let's see, point by point :
Tactical problems : I can see that being something you want to improve. My suggestions of changes in the other thread went in that direction. But he gripes on movement, of all things. And he clearly references HoMM3 as the better version. So how about an actual comparison?
He complains that even the slowest units get to the other side at worst by the third turn, and that the fastest get there instantly. Well, that was the case in HoMM3. And then he complains that it's hard to stop them. Well in HoMM3, you could stop them, with say mass slow, but that only works if you have the proper tools (luck based, both skill-wise and magic-wise), AND if the ennemy doesn't have the proper counter measure (again luck-based, for the same aspects). The difference between the two games is that the random was thrown out, and that the effect of the spells is not exactly as powerful, when it works. Different for sure, but inherently bad? How?
He also gripes on how it's difficult to make effective blocks with your units. I'll give him that it's more difficult than in HoMM3, but it wasn't particularly easy back then either. The game didn't revolve around you making an effective wall most of the time, except in times of sieges maybe, which are a different story. So, more difficult sure, but also again not inherently bad... and if you really love positional play, you can still have it, but it involves more getting the most out of your units' abilities, and less forming a wall/formation and defending it. Different, and calling it bad for the most part is a matter of taste.
Support heroes : He complains about support heroes. You need to have them around even if they don't do that much. That was caused by the game encouraging you to only ever have one army, which means the other heroes obviously never do much of anything. But he doesn't complain about thatpart, so I suppose he's alright with always having only one army and then we need to find some other use to the other heroes? That's kinda why they were given economic relevance. I don't really get his complaint to be honest. They found their utility in the economics, if you want more you have to rework the entire game design so that it doesn't encourage you to only have one army. Also he fails to mention how whatever his compaint is is really bad, to him that's just obvious. But the support heroes just never bothered me, and tbh the "only one army" system doesn't either.
Faction differences : He gripes on the difference between factions. To him that is just inherently bad or something. And that is so obvious, really, do you know any games that are good that don't differenciate their factions very much? Let's see. The civilisation series. The Age of empires series. The HoMM series. Yeah that's right, the HoMM series. When exactly were the skills very different from faction to faction during the series? The best game in the series (HoMM3) according to certain polls and that poster apparently, did not even have unique skills for every faction, aside from the one exception of necromancy. And the spell restrictions were very slim, and could be mostly worked around by capturing towns of other races, ie they were essentially non-existant. And the other games do not have particularly different factions either, as far as skills are concerned at any rate. So again, you can gripe on something, but you have to make the point of how that is inherently bad. On this point I completely disagree with him, for one.
Resource : That is a somewhat common complaint, but that usually hangs on preference. At least I've never read a very convincing post that explained how bad the new resource system really is. And again this guy just assumes it's bad, and doesn't try to prove it. But it's funny, his resource point is more about conversion than the actual resource system. I'm not entirely certain of exactly what his complaint is, but it's got to do with if you don't enough ressource for one unit, you can't go to another faction's castle to get something else, that you would somehow have enough resource for. That for starters is only possible with a more elaborate ressource system, true (if you don't have of one ressource, it goes for all factions). I'd also add that it,s very situational, the moments you'd benefit from it. I'd also add that the game in it's current state is more balanced. Let us image, for a moment, that you start a little game with 5 players in. All random. And three of them random to say, Castle (we're in HoMM3 atm). Those castle bad boys are gonna get way more production than you once they conquer each other. And you'll never get more production than what your starting town gives you. Of course, once you get another faction's town, you can start building 2 different armies, or a mix of both towns' best creatures, or something. But you'll never have the numbers to deal with a snowballing Castle army that can btw do the same, because he can capture a town of another faction too in addition to multiple Castle towns. Also, only one ressource makes it more balanced, in the sense that it removes the random element a bit. The maps try to make all resources equally available, but with 4 rare ressources that is an impossible goal to fully reach. And so it's always possible that you get messed up because you were getting the wrong ressources. But that is not possible with the HoMM6 design. Granted there are also arguments for more ressources, but I'm just covering those against, because really few people do. Oh and then I come back to my original point : whenever did he give a reason for how bad the current system is? He didn't, he just stated how it's currently working and assumed it was bad.
So yeah, from my point of view, his post looks pretty, but it's empty of anything useful, ie arguments.
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
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The One and the Prime
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posted February 22, 2012 05:38 PM |
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@Simpelicity, you've seen the negativity of that same poster's post here in HC haven't you? [please don't start something like what happened to the balance between factions thread ]
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Simpelicity
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Video maker
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posted February 22, 2012 06:42 PM |
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@Simpelicity, you've seen the negativity of that same poster's post here in HC haven't you? [please don't start something like what happened to the balance between factions thread]
somewhat, but I'll admit to not having a whole lot of time, so I never really got into any threads that looked really long winded, and I never really got involved in arguments. And I haven't read the balance discussion thread, it's 15 freakin' pages long, so I kinda missed what happened there.
However, we (history students at the Université de Montréal) are officially on strike starting tomorrow though, so I got a bit more time now. Thus my argumenting that he just states how the game works, without doing anything to say/prove it's actually hurting the game. That's like the first I've argued anything in here, I believe.
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adon
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posted February 22, 2012 08:07 PM |
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I have bought Heroes 1,2,3 and 5 (not 4!) and loved them all.
I have not bought Heroes 6 yet. I learned from Heroes 5 that sometimes it takes 2 expansions and a couple patches before the game becomes what it should be. And I love ToTE 3.1 with user mods.
So when the game is on it's 2nd expansion and you guys declare it good, I'll stop playing Heroes 3 and 5 and move on.
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